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My chances of getting hired with no experience

by Raul

Nov 12, 2014

Hello everyone,

Well just want to know what you think about my chances of getting hired to work overseas as a new graduate. I have a B.A in psychology and in August I will have a Masters in elementary education. I have never been a teacher before, but right now I'm doing my student teaching in Denver. I'm Mexican/American and fluent in Sp...See More

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Ha HA Most schools will be looking for at least 2 years of experience and many countries will require it for a work visa.

That being said, new grads managed to find jobs every year, although not possibly at the most desirable schools/locations.

On 11/12/14, Raul wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Well just want to know what you think...See More

Nov 16, 2014

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Teach for a week in Belize!

by Sandy Rude

Nov 7, 2014

Come to warm, beautiful, English speaking Belize to teach for a week in March, 2015. We need classroom teachers!

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Rachael Pawlik I am a math specialist and certified principal. I would love to go to Belize for a week. Please more info.

On 11/08/14, Rachael Pawlik wrote: > On 11/07/14, Laurence Cuffe wrote: >> On 11/07/14, Sandy Rude wrote: >>> Come to warm, beautiful, English > speaking Belize to >>> teach for a week in March, 2015. We ...See More

Nov 10, 2014

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Bill T (now retired) I would like information on this too

Nov 10, 2014

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Overseas Recruiting Fair. Registration deadline Jan. 9, 2015

by Teachers.Net Gazette

Nov 6, 2014

More than 120 American international K-12 schools will be represented. Click below for details.

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John Cox Will the DODEA be there?

On 11/06/14, Teachers.Net Gazette wrote: > More than 120 American international K-12 schools will be > represented. Click below for details.

Nov 7, 2014

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Volunteering

by Ross Wright

Oct 9, 2014

VOLUNTEERS WANTED We are in need of qualified Volunteer Teachers to teach basic English and Computer to extremely disadvantaged Cambodian children. CHOICE Cambodia is registered in England and has operated the charity in Cambodia since 2006. The committee consists of ten volunteers from various countries mostly living in Cambodia, they receive no r...See MoreVOLUNTEERS WANTED We are in need of qualified Volunteer Teachers to teach basic English and Computer to extremely disadvantaged Cambodian children. CHOICE Cambodia is registered in England and has operated the charity in Cambodia since 2006. The committee consists of ten volunteers from various countries mostly living in Cambodia, they receive no remuneration what so ever. We travel daily to our Vocational training center in the province, approximately 1 hour from Phnom Penh. Students are transported to and from squatter’s villages and brought to our center for either morning or afternoon classes. They are also taken to the local Government school for Khmer education. Khmer school is 4 hours daily, some students attend morning some afternoon. Our students are aged from 3yo in the Kindergarten class to around 18 yo. We strive to train them from kinder to career, so after attaining their year 12 certificate we fund and arrange either Scholarships or Apprenticeships in Phnom Penh. Being squatter families with no land, electricity or running water they could not afford to send their children to school prior to the establishment of the CHOICE program. We supply all their school needs, backpacks, books etc. and provide them with a healthy lunch. Immediate Vacancies: Two long term English Teachers. (6 months min.) One long term Computer Teacher. (6 months min.) Hairdresser (can be short term) Several general hand volunteers willing to work. (can be short term) Volunteers need to pay for their own air fares, accommodation, food etc. We provide daily transport to and from the center and lunch. Working hours are weekdays from 9am to 4pm, and a Police clearance is needed. This is an extremely rewarding and exciting experience and CHOICE is highly regarded by the local community. We are also in need of sponsors for our Scholarship/Apprenticeship program, small direct debits to us from many donors can help so many of our children, please help.

Please direct all enquiries to the Secretary at: [email removed]

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work visas?

by Bill T (now retired)

Sep 9, 2014

Does anyone know where I can access information on age restrictions for work visas in various countries? I am retired after 31 years in North carolina and would love to teach in an international school.

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Am I employable?

by naphthous

Aug 31, 2014

Hi everyone,

It has been my dream to work at an international school for some time. I don't know anybody within the system, though, so I am turning to all of you for help.

My wife and I would prefer to settle down in Northern Europe (Germany, Netherlands, or a Nordic country) with our children, so that is our ideal endgame, but we...See More

Aug 23, 2014

So, what are your class sizes?

When I was at a language school in Kazakhstan, I never had more than a dozen students in a class.

Now I'm at a middle school in China and have 60 students per class.

So, again, what are your class sizes?

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Teachers in Singapore

by Robin

Jun 22, 2014

I am trying to make contact with teachers in Singapore. Thanks!!

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Retired Teachers

by SA

Jan 2, 2011

After my divorce in 2009, I thought maybe I would like to teach overseas after I retire (in 5 years).

After doing a bit of research this weekend, I came across an article that commented that most countries will not hire teacher over the age of 60 (mostly because of insurance). Is this true? Should I give up my dream of living and teaching...See More

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In the Know Don't know where Dave gets his DoDDS info from but it is usually wrong. There is no mandatory retirement age in DoDDS. We have teachers in the system well beyond 60 years of age.

On 1/05/11, Mary wrote: > [link removed]?

Jan 5, 2011

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Dave I called HR in Arlington and asked.

On 1/05/11, In the Know wrote: > Don't know where Dave gets his DoDDS info from but it > is usually wrong. > There is no mandatory retirement age in DoDDS. We have > teachers in the system well beyond 60 years of age. > > On 1/05/11, Mary wrote: >> [link removed]?

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Benefits

by Randall

Jan 2, 2011

I am interested in teaching overseas. For the last year and a half, I have been looking on-line for information on "Benefits" these schools offer. I find a bit of this and a smattering of that. Is there one place to look for the "Benefit Packages" these overseas schools offer? Do you advise a prospect contact a school directly asking for the "compl...See More

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Mary So, copy rights don't apply?

On 1/05/11, Dave -> Mary wrote: > It's actually easier to obtain test materials and sample kits overseas. > Just about every publisher in Tests and Measures, and measurements > yearbook has a distributor/publisher in the regional area (U.K. for > europe, and H.K. for Asia). Secondly, from a pract...See MoreSo, copy rights don't apply?

On 1/05/11, Dave -> Mary wrote: > It's actually easier to obtain test materials and sample kits overseas. > Just about every publisher in Tests and Measures, and measurements > yearbook has a distributor/publisher in the regional area (U.K. for > europe, and H.K. for Asia). Secondly, from a practical standpoint most > international schools being private don't spend a lot on psychometrics. > They usually have a sample kit, and they photo copy what they need, with > the School Psy./Counselor hand scoring them. You have probabley noticed > that most international schools post or advertise their Counselor/Psyc. > position as a combined position. The reality is they just don't do a lot > of testing. Most admins are familiar with I.Q. tests as measures of > cognitive ability so you'll see the Wunderlich or the Stanford-Binnett > (and its likely to be an old sample kit). You'll see the Strong Inventory > (if its upper secondary), and probabley one of the depression/emotional > disturbance assessments, thats about it. Most of a School Psy's duties > will be those of a Counselor. > > On 1/04/11, Mary wrote: >> I am not sure whether you want my opinion, but I think if you are >> READY to get your application out there, it is worth the $200 for SA >> and the $25 for International Schools Review. Even if you are not >> ready, it is worth the $25 for ISR. >> >> As for DoDDS vs International Schools and the support issue, I am >> coming from a family standpoint and not as a single adult. The >> military has the evacuation protocol, supports for finding housing, >> etc. However, I understand that there are some very supportive >> international schools as well. >> >> in my field as a school psychologist, I think that ethically, I >> should be working with someone at least within the same system who >> can order the testing materials. I can do the the assessments, >> consultation, etc., but, only those with PhDs in psychology can order >> the materials. If an international school system already has this >> part worked out, I would be interested, but I don't want to apply for >> a position where I cannot work to my potential and using old >> materials and not being able order testing protocols would not work >> for me. >> >> I have continued to see international schools posting vacancies on >> the NASP website, so I don't think I will need tojoing Search >> Associates, but it seems to be worth it for teachers. >> >> On 1/03/11, Randall wrote: >>> So having Dave and Debbie and Thomas chime in.... the answer is >>> pay the money for the information?? >>> >>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Debbie wrote: >>>> No problem. Hope you two had a great holiday. >>>> >>>> On 1/03/11, Debbie wrote: >>>>> Hubby brought up going overseas again and wants to check out >>>>> Beijing or Shanghai. We have things going on that have made >>>>> us hesitate. I cannot give any details and the concern is >>>>> still there in the back of my mind. My biggest concern is >>>>> the medical. We just need to really talk about it and see >>>>> where we go from here. It is nothing extreme, just a concern. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>> I agree, that's why I'd never teach in the US again. As >>>>>> I've said before in >>>>>> this forum, I dont think I could anyway. It's been long >>>>>> enough that I'm not nearly up on my state regulation, >>>>>> laws, assessments and programs that I'd know what I was >>>>>> doing. I haven't had to really enforce a classroom >>>>>> management plan in a long time. Not to mention >>>>>> everything else with NCLB. I could probabley handle a >>>>>> private IB school in the states, but they usually pay a >>>>>> lot less then public schools and well the economy and >>>>>> cost of living aren't that great. >>>>>> >>>>>> I live and teach in Rome. I get to drink wine at lunch >>>>>> on campus. I'm dating a scandalously young woman (she's >>>>>> in her 20's me in my 30's). The food is AMAZING, the >>>>>> people casual and cosmopolitan with an air of >>>>>> sophistication. Life here is more about enjoying the >>>>>> time we have... slowly, not climbing the ladder, or >>>>>> seeing who has the most money and "stuff". >>>>>> The night life is just exciting and sexy enough to >>>>>> break the conundrum with work. I get to live in a city >>>>>> that "IS" history. The bells of the Vatican, >>>>>> the view of the Colosseum. As a foreigner I get a lot >>>>>> of slack. No one expects you to know everything or even >>>>>> a fraction of what the locals do, so I dont have to >>>>>> bother with a lot of the details. >>>>>> >>>>>> You know its like that in just about everywhere that I >>>>>> have taught. Singapore I spent on the beach. China I >>>>>> spent talking to people and making friends. Thailand I >>>>>> spent being a hedonist. S. Korea was making money. >>>>>> Japan was about respecting myself and others. Hong Kong >>>>>> was shopping. Malaysia was about faith and the human >>>>>> spirit in me (I went to Malaysia after Thailand), and >>>>>> those are just the places I've taught. Why would I give >>>>>> that up to go back to the states? Whats so great about >>>>>> the states? Freedom, freedom to do what? Freedom to go >>>>>> to Walmart and buy stuff made in Taiwan with my credit >>>>>> card? Freedom of religion/speech? I lived in China and >>>>>> never had anyone tell me I couldn't say anything or >>>>>> keep me from going to Mass, though I'm a polite person >>>>>> anyway. Democracy, as in picking between two candiates >>>>>> that are both rich guys. Freedom to go to any doctor I >>>>>> want (but can't afford to). Dont get me wrong I would >>>>>> never want to not be an american, but personally I'd >>>>>> prefer taking the status that comes with it and leaving >>>>>> the fluff and red tape behind. Quite simply I want to >>>>>> know the simple comfort of pleasure, and not just be >>>>>> entertained. >>>>>> >>>>>> On the DOD forum I always hear people say "I >>>>>> wouldn't consider a position overseas if it wasn't a >>>>>> DoDDS position, because of the support". Support >>>>>> for what I always think to myself? It's really just >>>>>> they want to be overseas, but they want it just like a >>>>>> being a tourist, they want the "americanized" >>>>>> version. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>> Good point. However, being a stateside teacher, >>>>>>> teaching is no longer fun. Thank you NCLB!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>> Sure I considered it, then rejected the idea. Not >>>>>>>> to be glib, but time is very important to me. I >>>>>>>> like my 3 months off during the summer, my 3 weeks >>>>>>>> at christmas, my week at thanksgiving, spring >>>>>>>> break. Done by 4, and only 6 hours of actual >>>>>>>> teaching work a day. Lastly, and this will sound >>>>>>>> silly to anyone who isn't in the profession, but I >>>>>>>> get to play all day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>> Have you ever considered nonteaching jobs with >>>>>>>>> DOD? When we were stationed in Germany, years >>>>>>>>> ago, I knew several civilian employees who had >>>>>>>>> full benefits (GS-11 positions) but were not >>>>>>>>> teachers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I use too actually, but in the international >>>>>>>>>> education market its a much shorter path to the >>>>>>>>>> good money, and perks at the K-12 level. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm proud of you Dave. Why aren't you >>>>>>>>>>> teaching at the college level? You obviously >>>>>>>>>>> enjoy academia. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah I got it. Well I'm putting them on my >>>>>>>>>>>> credit card, and I'll pay them off over the >>>>>>>>>>>> summer which is when I'm testing. I already >>>>>>>>>>>> have 16 certifications. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "From a pragmatic view, it's a very >>>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive (both in time and money) >>>>>>>>>>>>> means of building a resume (at least >>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to other things." >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, more perfidious than pragmatic. How >>>>>>>>>>>>> are you going to pay for this next round >>>>>>>>>>>>> of certifications, Dave? And are these >>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications just on loan since they >>>>>>>>>>>>> are not really yet paid for? (get it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave?...on loan?) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Thomas wrote: I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy introducing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to the idea/career path of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> international education as well. It's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just if I call it a hooy I cant take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax write off on it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well if I hadn't been collecting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications, I wouldn't have had the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> job I have here in Italy (they were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very attracted to someone with such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> versatile skill set). From a pragmatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> view, it's a very inexpensive (both in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and money) means of building a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resume (at least compared to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. I have a B.A. with three >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minors, three masters degrees, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctorate, an IB teaching award >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (certificate). What else is there to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do? Publish? Learn some languages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from more certifications I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> add AP certifications, but outside >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "american schools" IB is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular. Adding a teaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification is pretty cheap and takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> half a day (each). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dead languages are dead for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason. Though my Italian is starting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop. I have a working grasp of 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages now (in addition to english), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> french, mandarin, and italian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could NEVER teach dance. Art and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theater are a so-so for me. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> afraid that's what you were going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest. Do you really think the Gifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Talented would add anything? I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking last night over the IB Dip. hex >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and adding art and theater would really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help me fill out the fine arts category >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Im already certified in music and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech). My problem would be what would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do if I was asked to teach it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My certifications are out of Texas and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> California. What I do is take the tests >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Texas (which cost $120 each) and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then pay $77 to add them to my texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate (its one fee no matter how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many certifications you add). It cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same amount to renew your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate every 5 years. Then when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a years worth (about 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications) I transfer them to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> California and that costs about $57 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (again, its one fee no matter how many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications you add). You can take >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas online tests anytime, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 4 paper based testing dates a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year. You can take 2 tests per day. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> California no longer requires CPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> units. Texas requires 150 hours every 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, obviously overseas teaching is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my career/lifestyle (dare I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling). The talking/posting about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, reading about etc is the hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part (although you could also say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's in my best interest to stay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current on the topic). I really do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy getting other people excited >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the idea though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could ask why you feel the need add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any more certifications, but that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be crazy talk. You obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collect certifications and lay awake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nights dreading the thought that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could miss out on a job you want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you were not cross certified >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in underwater basket weaving and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greco/Roman wrestling. Hey! Speaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Greco/Roman, is it too late to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started on a whole dead language >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motif? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously though, I do think you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be on to something with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arts, Dance, Theater and Gifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combo. You would certainly be adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an artsy, high brow component to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portfolio and appealing to some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those super-elite schools we talk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've often talked about adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications in our home state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since it's all about testing, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have never had the timing work out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. Btw, how much does it cost you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to renew/keep current all of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Thomas 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response & problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: I didn't say it was you, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still have the taste of wine in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my nose. Honestly, I feel with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should give you a coffee mug. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well since we are both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international teachers who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been for a number of years and we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make our livings at it, can we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really call it a "hobby"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note I have a question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you, because its hard to find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to pick their brains on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who have the background and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. Im registering to add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 2 teaching certification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the summer, and having 16 of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, I'm running out of things to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take. So heres the combinations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group A: Art, Theater, Dance, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gifted and Talented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group B: Agricultural Science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology Education, Marketing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can take 2 tests from group A, OR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 test from group A and 1 test from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group B. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is this so far: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Marketing: Im already certified >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Business Education, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing doesnt add a whole lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since international schools dont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even know there's a seperate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification for it, so I dont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if it would really add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Technology Education: Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certified in Technology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> APPLICATIONS and Computer Science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tech Ed. is more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "shop" electronics, wood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, machine shop, automotive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again no utility internationally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Agricultural Science: Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fully certified science teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Bio, chem, physics, earth science) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and again internationally there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no demand or utility for Agi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Art, Dance, Theater. I could do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them (the tests) but I have no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest in teaching them and my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern is that someone might ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to teach them and the thing is I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cant draw (or paint), dance, or act >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to save my life (The tests are all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, multi choice). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) The Gifted and Talented seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a no brainer, but Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IB certified and it doesn't qualify >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to teach AP, so again I dont see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it adding very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My instinct is to go with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gifted and Talented and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marketing, but my brain is saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Art, and Theater would make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more marketable (I'm pretty good at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-d art, stained glass is a hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of mine. I minored in theater as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undergrad. Dance is my biggest fear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world). My teacher friend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here in the US thinks that I should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do the Tech Ed or Ag Science as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds out my science >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications (even though I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take only one of them). What are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your impressions??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HEY! Shills get paid and SA has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never given me a dime or even a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free membership (or even a coffee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mug). I am not really impressed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything about SA other than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the detailed database, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to beat. I still like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it to keep up with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current trends, packages etc (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really nosy and the subject >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of int'l teaching is like a hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even I don't usually provide a direct link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/11, Dave -> Randall wrote: Most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools don't disclose their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation package to people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who aren't candidates (called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being short listed). Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools (normally DOS or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "American" schools) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do post their full compensation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package online. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to shill for them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (because another person on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board does it so well) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Search Associates (often simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called SA) has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehensive database of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools full compensation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package. It costs $200 to join >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for three years and that's IF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they accept you as a candidate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their website is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [link removed]!

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Dave -> Mary Copyright doesnt mean anything in Asia. In Europe it does but most of the private/international schools just play dumb with it. The school psy/counselor doesnt get much of a budget so they just make do with what they have.

On 1/05/11, Mary wrote: > So, copy rights don't apply? > > On 1/05/11, Dave -> Mary wrote: >> It's ...See MoreCopyright doesnt mean anything in Asia. In Europe it does but most of the private/international schools just play dumb with it. The school psy/counselor doesnt get much of a budget so they just make do with what they have.

On 1/05/11, Mary wrote: > So, copy rights don't apply? > > On 1/05/11, Dave -> Mary wrote: >> It's actually easier to obtain test materials and sample kits overseas. >> Just about every publisher in Tests and Measures, and measurements >> yearbook has a distributor/publisher in the regional area (U.K. for >> europe, and H.K. for Asia). Secondly, from a practical standpoint most >> international schools being private don't spend a lot on psychometrics. >> They usually have a sample kit, and they photo copy what they need, with >> the School Psy./Counselor hand scoring them. You have probabley noticed >> that most international schools post or advertise their Counselor/Psyc. >> position as a combined position. The reality is they just don't do a lot >> of testing. Most admins are familiar with I.Q. tests as measures of >> cognitive ability so you'll see the Wunderlich or the Stanford-Binnett >> (and its likely to be an old sample kit). You'll see the Strong Inventory >> (if its upper secondary), and probabley one of the depression/emotional >> disturbance assessments, thats about it. Most of a School Psy's duties >> will be those of a Counselor. >> >> On 1/04/11, Mary wrote: >>> I am not sure whether you want my opinion, but I think if you are >>> READY to get your application out there, it is worth the $200 for SA >>> and the $25 for International Schools Review. Even if you are not >>> ready, it is worth the $25 for ISR. >>> >>> As for DoDDS vs International Schools and the support issue, I am >>> coming from a family standpoint and not as a single adult. The >>> military has the evacuation protocol, supports for finding housing, >>> etc. However, I understand that there are some very supportive >>> international schools as well. >>> >>> in my field as a school psychologist, I think that ethically, I >>> should be working with someone at least within the same system who >>> can order the testing materials. I can do the the assessments, >>> consultation, etc., but, only those with PhDs in psychology can order >>> the materials. If an international school system already has this >>> part worked out, I would be interested, but I don't want to apply for >>> a position where I cannot work to my potential and using old >>> materials and not being able order testing protocols would not work >>> for me. >>> >>> I have continued to see international schools posting vacancies on >>> the NASP website, so I don't think I will need tojoing Search >>> Associates, but it seems to be worth it for teachers. >>> >>> On 1/03/11, Randall wrote: >>>> So having Dave and Debbie and Thomas chime in.... the answer is >>>> pay the money for the information?? >>>> >>>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Debbie wrote: >>>>> No problem. Hope you two had a great holiday. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/03/11, Debbie wrote: >>>>>> Hubby brought up going overseas again and wants to check out >>>>>> Beijing or Shanghai. We have things going on that have made >>>>>> us hesitate. I cannot give any details and the concern is >>>>>> still there in the back of my mind. My biggest concern is >>>>>> the medical. We just need to really talk about it and see >>>>>> where we go from here. It is nothing extreme, just a concern. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>> I agree, that's why I'd never teach in the US again. As >>>>>>> I've said before in >>>>>>> this forum, I dont think I could anyway. It's been long >>>>>>> enough that I'm not nearly up on my state regulation, >>>>>>> laws, assessments and programs that I'd know what I was >>>>>>> doing. I haven't had to really enforce a classroom >>>>>>> management plan in a long time. Not to mention >>>>>>> everything else with NCLB. I could probabley handle a >>>>>>> private IB school in the states, but they usually pay a >>>>>>> lot less then public schools and well the economy and >>>>>>> cost of living aren't that great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I live and teach in Rome. I get to drink wine at lunch >>>>>>> on campus. I'm dating a scandalously young woman (she's >>>>>>> in her 20's me in my 30's). The food is AMAZING, the >>>>>>> people casual and cosmopolitan with an air of >>>>>>> sophistication. Life here is more about enjoying the >>>>>>> time we have... slowly, not climbing the ladder, or >>>>>>> seeing who has the most money and "stuff". >>>>>>> The night life is just exciting and sexy enough to >>>>>>> break the conundrum with work. I get to live in a city >>>>>>> that "IS" history. The bells of the Vatican, >>>>>>> the view of the Colosseum. As a foreigner I get a lot >>>>>>> of slack. No one expects you to know everything or even >>>>>>> a fraction of what the locals do, so I dont have to >>>>>>> bother with a lot of the details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You know its like that in just about everywhere that I >>>>>>> have taught. Singapore I spent on the beach. China I >>>>>>> spent talking to people and making friends. Thailand I >>>>>>> spent being a hedonist. S. Korea was making money. >>>>>>> Japan was about respecting myself and others. Hong Kong >>>>>>> was shopping. Malaysia was about faith and the human >>>>>>> spirit in me (I went to Malaysia after Thailand), and >>>>>>> those are just the places I've taught. Why would I give >>>>>>> that up to go back to the states? Whats so great about >>>>>>> the states? Freedom, freedom to do what? Freedom to go >>>>>>> to Walmart and buy stuff made in Taiwan with my credit >>>>>>> card? Freedom of religion/speech? I lived in China and >>>>>>> never had anyone tell me I couldn't say anything or >>>>>>> keep me from going to Mass, though I'm a polite person >>>>>>> anyway. Democracy, as in picking between two candiates >>>>>>> that are both rich guys. Freedom to go to any doctor I >>>>>>> want (but can't afford to). Dont get me wrong I would >>>>>>> never want to not be an american, but personally I'd >>>>>>> prefer taking the status that comes with it and leaving >>>>>>> the fluff and red tape behind. Quite simply I want to >>>>>>> know the simple comfort of pleasure, and not just be >>>>>>> entertained. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the DOD forum I always hear people say "I >>>>>>> wouldn't consider a position overseas if it wasn't a >>>>>>> DoDDS position, because of the support". Support >>>>>>> for what I always think to myself? It's really just >>>>>>> they want to be overseas, but they want it just like a >>>>>>> being a tourist, they want the "americanized" >>>>>>> version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>> Good point. However, being a stateside teacher, >>>>>>>> teaching is no longer fun. Thank you NCLB!!!!!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sure I considered it, then rejected the idea. Not >>>>>>>>> to be glib, but time is very important to me. I >>>>>>>>> like my 3 months off during the summer, my 3 weeks >>>>>>>>> at christmas, my week at thanksgiving, spring >>>>>>>>> break. Done by 4, and only 6 hours of actual >>>>>>>>> teaching work a day. Lastly, and this will sound >>>>>>>>> silly to anyone who isn't in the profession, but I >>>>>>>>> get to play all day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Have you ever considered nonteaching jobs with >>>>>>>>>> DOD? When we were stationed in Germany, years >>>>>>>>>> ago, I knew several civilian employees who had >>>>>>>>>> full benefits (GS-11 positions) but were not >>>>>>>>>> teachers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I use too actually, but in the international >>>>>>>>>>> education market its a much shorter path to the >>>>>>>>>>> good money, and perks at the K-12 level. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm proud of you Dave. Why aren't you >>>>>>>>>>>> teaching at the college level? You obviously >>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy academia. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah I got it. Well I'm putting them on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> credit card, and I'll pay them off over the >>>>>>>>>>>>> summer which is when I'm testing. I already >>>>>>>>>>>>> have 16 certifications. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, :) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "From a pragmatic view, it's a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive (both in time and money) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> means of building a resume (at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to other things." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, more perfidious than pragmatic. How >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are you going to pay for this next round >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of certifications, Dave? And are these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications just on loan since they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not really yet paid for? (get it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave?...on loan?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Thomas wrote: I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy introducing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to the idea/career path of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international education as well. It's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just if I call it a hooy I cant take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax write off on it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well if I hadn't been collecting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications, I wouldn't have had the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job I have here in Italy (they were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very attracted to someone with such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versatile skill set). From a pragmatic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view, it's a very inexpensive (both in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and money) means of building a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resume (at least compared to other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. I have a B.A. with three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minors, three masters degrees, a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctorate, an IB teaching award >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (certificate). What else is there to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do? Publish? Learn some languages? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from more certifications I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add AP certifications, but outside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "american schools" IB is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular. Adding a teaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification is pretty cheap and takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> half a day (each). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The dead languages are dead for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason. Though my Italian is starting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop. I have a working grasp of 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages now (in addition to english), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> french, mandarin, and italian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could NEVER teach dance. Art and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theater are a so-so for me. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afraid that's what you were going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest. Do you really think the Gifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Talented would add anything? I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking last night over the IB Dip. hex >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and adding art and theater would really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help me fill out the fine arts category >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Im already certified in music and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech). My problem would be what would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do if I was asked to teach it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My certifications are out of Texas and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California. What I do is take the tests >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Texas (which cost $120 each) and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then pay $77 to add them to my texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate (its one fee no matter how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many certifications you add). It cost >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same amount to renew your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate every 5 years. Then when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a years worth (about 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications) I transfer them to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California and that costs about $57 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (again, its one fee no matter how many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications you add). You can take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas online tests anytime, and they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 4 paper based testing dates a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year. You can take 2 tests per day. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California no longer requires CPE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> units. Texas requires 150 hours every 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, obviously overseas teaching is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my career/lifestyle (dare I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling). The talking/posting about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, reading about etc is the hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part (although you could also say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's in my best interest to stay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current on the topic). I really do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoy getting other people excited >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the idea though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could ask why you feel the need add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any more certifications, but that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be crazy talk. You obviously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collect certifications and lay awake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nights dreading the thought that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could miss out on a job you want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because you were not cross certified >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in underwater basket weaving and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greco/Roman wrestling. Hey! Speaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Greco/Roman, is it too late to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started on a whole dead language >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motif? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously though, I do think you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be on to something with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arts, Dance, Theater and Gifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combo. You would certainly be adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an artsy, high brow component to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portfolio and appealing to some of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those super-elite schools we talk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've often talked about adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications in our home state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since it's all about testing, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have never had the timing work out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. Btw, how much does it cost you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to renew/keep current all of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certifications? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, Dave -> Thomas 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response & problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: I didn't say it was you, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still have the taste of wine in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my nose. Honestly, I feel with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should give you a coffee mug. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well since we are both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international teachers who have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been for a number of years and we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make our livings at it, can we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really call it a "hobby"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note I have a question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you, because its hard to find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to pick their brains on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who have the background and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. Im registering to add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 2 teaching certification >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the summer, and having 16 of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them, I'm running out of things to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take. So heres the combinations >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group A: Art, Theater, Dance, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gifted and Talented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Group B: Agricultural Science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technology Education, Marketing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can take 2 tests from group A, OR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 test from group A and 1 test from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group B. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is this so far: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Marketing: Im already certified >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Business Education, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing doesnt add a whole lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since international schools dont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even know there's a seperate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification for it, so I dont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if it would really add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Technology Education: Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certified in Technology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> APPLICATIONS and Computer Science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tech Ed. is more like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "shop" electronics, wood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, machine shop, automotive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again no utility internationally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Agricultural Science: Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fully certified science teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Bio, chem, physics, earth science) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and again internationally there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no demand or utility for Agi. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Art, Dance, Theater. I could do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them (the tests) but I have no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest in teaching them and my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern is that someone might ask >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to teach them and the thing is I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cant draw (or paint), dance, or act >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to save my life (The tests are all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, multi choice). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) The Gifted and Talented seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a no brainer, but Im already >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IB certified and it doesn't qualify >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to teach AP, so again I dont see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it adding very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My instinct is to go with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gifted and Talented and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marketing, but my brain is saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Art, and Theater would make me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more marketable (I'm pretty good at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-d art, stained glass is a hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of mine. I minored in theater as an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undergrad. Dance is my biggest fear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world). My teacher friend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here in the US thinks that I should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do the Tech Ed or Ag Science as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds out my science >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications (even though I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take only one of them). What are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your impressions??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/03/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HEY! Shills get paid and SA has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never given me a dime or even a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free membership (or even a coffee >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mug). I am not really impressed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything about SA other than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the detailed database, which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to beat. I still like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking at it to keep up with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current trends, packages etc (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really nosy and the subject >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of int'l teaching is like a hobby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And even I don't usually provide a direct link. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/11, Dave -> Randall wrote: Most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools don't disclose their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compensation package to people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who aren't candidates (called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being short listed). Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools (normally DOS or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "American" schools) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do post their full compensation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package online. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hate to shill for them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (because another person on this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board does it so well) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Search Associates (often simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called SA) has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehensive database of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools full compensation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package. It costs $200 to join >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for three years and that's IF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they accept you as a candidate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their website is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [link removed]!

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