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Starting salary question

by Angela

Jul 2, 2011

Can any of you tell me what an average starting salary is for a secondary math teacher in a bilingual school in Germany? I have been offered a position in Berlin and just wanted to know what I should expect as far as salary. Thanks!!!!

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Dave BEFORE taxes, ouch your income tax rate will be around 30% which puts you around the â‚¬30K mark. VAT (sales tax) is another 19%. It would depend on the rest of your compensation package (housing, pension/social security, insurance)?

I assume they are supplying relocation (airfare, settleing in, cargo transportation)? Make sure THEY b...See More

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Dave (again) A crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, husband, kids)??? and the housing situation???

So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent providing a housing allowance, so housing (rent/utilities) will be about half your sala...See MoreA crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, husband, kids)??? and the housing situation???

So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent providing a housing allowance, so housing (rent/utilities) will be about half your salary (f your single you get a smaller place but you have a nightlife, if you have kids or are married you have a bigger place, but you dont go out, it all comes out about the same.) Here are some average prices for Berlin. (â‚¬1 Euro = $.69 USD)

Restaurants Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant=7.88 â‚¬ Meal for 2, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course=31.50 â‚¬ Combo Meal at McDonalds or Similar =6.75 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) =2.25 â‚¬ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=3.50 â‚¬ Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle)=1.98 â‚¬ Water (0.33 liter bottle)=1.88 â‚¬

Market Milk (regular), 1 liter)=0.68 â‚¬ Loaf of Fresh White Bread (500g)=1.95 â‚¬ Eggs (12)=1.76 â‚¬ Fresh Cheese (1kg)=10.67 â‚¬ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1kg)=7.45 â‚¬ Water (1.5 liter bottle)=0.60 â‚¬ Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range)=4.62 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)=0.87 â‚¬ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=1.33 â‚¬ Pack of Cigarettes (Marlboro)=4.50 â‚¬

Transportation One-way Ticket (Bus, Train)=2.25 â‚¬ Monthly Pass=74.25 â‚¬ Taxi (5km within center)=10.35 â‚¬

Leisure Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat=9.00 â‚¬ Club Cover=20 â‚¬ Massage (1 hour)=40 â‚¬

Clothing 1 Pair of Levis 501=71.25 â‚¬ 1 Summer Dress in a Chain Store (Zara, H&M, ...)=38.00 â‚¬ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes=60.00 â‚¬ 1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes=90.00 â‚¬

Utilities Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage)=150.00 â‚¬ 1 min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans)=0.10 â‚¬ Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, ADSL)=24.48 â‚¬

Rent Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre=875.00 â‚¬ Apartment (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre=825.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) in City Centre=1,650.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of Centre=1,400.00 â‚¬

On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: > > Thanks Dave. The offer is for 36,000 euro annual before taxes, > so I this is ok? > > On 7/02/11, Dave wrote: >> Depends on the rest of the compensation package, and your >> qualifications but about â‚¬30K/year would be right around >> average with a range of â‚¬28K-â‚¬32K... >> >> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>> Can any of you tell me what an average starting salary is >>> for a secondary math teacher in a bilingual school in >>> Germany? I have been offered a position in Berlin and just >>> wanted to know what I should expect as far as salary. >>> Thanks!!!!

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Dave (Correction) My mistake: 1 EUR = 1.45 USD

On 7/02/11, Dave (again) wrote: > A crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, > husband, kids)??? and the housing situation??? > > So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a > month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent &...See MoreMy mistake: 1 EUR = 1.45 USD

On 7/02/11, Dave (again) wrote: > A crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, > husband, kids)??? and the housing situation??? > > So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a > month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent > providing a housing allowance, so housing (rent/utilities) will be > about half your salary (f your single you get a smaller place but > you have a nightlife, if you have kids or are married you have a > bigger place, but you dont go out, it all comes out about the same.) > Here are some average prices for Berlin. (â‚¬1 Euro = $.69 USD) > > Restaurants Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant=7.88 â‚¬ Meal for 2, > Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course=31.50 â‚¬ Combo Meal at > McDonalds or Similar =6.75 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) > =2.25 â‚¬ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=3.50 â‚¬ > Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle)=1.98 â‚¬ Water (0.33 liter > bottle)=1.88 â‚¬ > > Market Milk (regular), 1 liter)=0.68 â‚¬ Loaf of Fresh White > Bread (500g)=1.95 â‚¬ Eggs (12)=1.76 â‚¬ Fresh Cheese > (1kg)=10.67 â‚¬ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1kg)=7.45 > â‚¬ Water (1.5 liter bottle)=0.60 â‚¬ Bottle of Wine > (Mid-Range)=4.62 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)=0.87 â‚¬ > Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=1.33 â‚¬ Pack of > Cigarettes (Marlboro)=4.50 â‚¬ > > Transportation One-way Ticket (Bus, Train)=2.25 â‚¬ Monthly > Pass=74.25 â‚¬ Taxi (5km within center)=10.35 â‚¬ > > Leisure Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat=9.00 â‚¬ Club Cover=20 > â‚¬ Massage (1 hour)=40 â‚¬ > > Clothing 1 Pair of Levis 501=71.25 â‚¬ 1 Summer Dress in a Chain > Store (Zara, H&M, ...)=38.00 â‚¬ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes=60.00 â‚¬ > 1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes=90.00 â‚¬ > > Utilities Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage)=150.00 â‚¬ 1 > min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans)=0.10 â‚¬ > Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, ADSL)=24.48 â‚¬ > > Rent Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre=875.00 â‚¬ Apartment > (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre=825.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) > in City Centre=1,650.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of > Centre=1,400.00 â‚¬ > > > > On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >> >> Thanks Dave. The offer is for 36,000 euro annual before taxes, >> so I this is ok? >> >> On 7/02/11, Dave wrote: >>> Depends on the rest of the compensation package, and your >>> qualifications but about â‚¬30K/year would be right around >>> average with a range of â‚¬28K-â‚¬32K... >>> >>> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>>> Can any of you tell me what an average starting salary is >>>> for a secondary math teacher in a bilingual school in >>>> Germany? I have been offered a position in Berlin and just >>>> wanted to know what I should expect as far as salary. >>>> Thanks!!!!

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Angela It is just me, single, recent grad.... They pay 3000 relocation... Half before I would go, half when I arrive... I only need a 1 bedroom...thanks for all the info... Still debating as I have several offers in the US. I have a math major and secondary math education.

On 7/02/11, Dave (Correction) wrote: > My mistake: 1 EUR = 1.45 USD &g...See MoreIt is just me, single, recent grad.... They pay 3000 relocation... Half before I would go, half when I arrive... I only need a 1 bedroom...thanks for all the info... Still debating as I have several offers in the US. I have a math major and secondary math education.

On 7/02/11, Dave (Correction) wrote: > My mistake: 1 EUR = 1.45 USD > > > > On 7/02/11, Dave (again) wrote: >> A crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, >> husband, kids)??? and the housing situation??? >> >> So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a >> month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent >> providing a housing allowance, so housing (rent/utilities) will be >> about half your salary (f your single you get a smaller place but >> you have a nightlife, if you have kids or are married you have a >> bigger place, but you dont go out, it all comes out about the same.) >> Here are some average prices for Berlin. (â‚¬1 Euro = $.69 USD) >> >> Restaurants Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant=7.88 â‚¬ Meal for 2, >> Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course=31.50 â‚¬ Combo Meal at >> McDonalds or Similar =6.75 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) >> =2.25 â‚¬ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=3.50 â‚¬ >> Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle)=1.98 â‚¬ Water (0.33 liter >> bottle)=1.88 â‚¬ >> >> Market Milk (regular), 1 liter)=0.68 â‚¬ Loaf of Fresh White >> Bread (500g)=1.95 â‚¬ Eggs (12)=1.76 â‚¬ Fresh Cheese >> (1kg)=10.67 â‚¬ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1kg)=7.45 >> â‚¬ Water (1.5 liter bottle)=0.60 â‚¬ Bottle of Wine >> (Mid-Range)=4.62 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)=0.87 â‚¬ >> Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=1.33 â‚¬ Pack of >> Cigarettes (Marlboro)=4.50 â‚¬ >> >> Transportation One-way Ticket (Bus, Train)=2.25 â‚¬ Monthly >> Pass=74.25 â‚¬ Taxi (5km within center)=10.35 â‚¬ >> >> Leisure Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat=9.00 â‚¬ Club Cover=20 >> â‚¬ Massage (1 hour)=40 â‚¬ >> >> Clothing 1 Pair of Levis 501=71.25 â‚¬ 1 Summer Dress in a Chain >> Store (Zara, H&M, ...)=38.00 â‚¬ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes=60.00 â‚¬ >> 1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes=90.00 â‚¬ >> >> Utilities Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage)=150.00 â‚¬ 1 >> min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans)=0.10 â‚¬ >> Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, ADSL)=24.48 â‚¬ >> >> Rent Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre=875.00 â‚¬ Apartment >> (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre=825.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) >> in City Centre=1,650.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of >> Centre=1,400.00 â‚¬ >> >> >> >> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Dave. The offer is for 36,000 euro annual before taxes, >>> so I this is ok? >>> >>> On 7/02/11, Dave wrote: >>>> Depends on the rest of the compensation package, and your >>>> qualifications but about â‚¬30K/year would be right around >>>> average with a range of â‚¬28K-â‚¬32K... >>>> >>>> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>>>> Can any of you tell me what an average starting salary is >>>>> for a secondary math teacher in a bilingual school in >>>>> Germany? I have been offered a position in Berlin and just >>>>> wanted to know what I should expect as far as salary. >>>>> Thanks!!!!

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Dave Scary, but thats practically the same package I had in Italy. The biggest problem was housing, the school set me up in temporary housing for like ten days (I think I got 12 actually), but their relocation specialist was so busy (she had multiple clients, outside the school) and not knowing the language or really anyone, well nothing happened for th...See MoreScary, but thats practically the same package I had in Italy. The biggest problem was housing, the school set me up in temporary housing for like ten days (I think I got 12 actually), but their relocation specialist was so busy (she had multiple clients, outside the school) and not knowing the language or really anyone, well nothing happened for those ten days, and so I had to eat into my relocation money to stay in the temp housing (basically short term/vacation rental apartment), which ate into my salary. I wasnt able to really move into an apartment until around the time winter break was happening. That was a lot of wasted money.

Housing is so crucial, you get off the plane after spending the day in flight and you have to have somewhere to go. Depending on when you arrive (most schools fly you out on friday because its cheaper, and you arrive on saturday, check in, and then you dont see anyone until monday) and how close to the start day (You need at LEAST a week of settling in time), your school should have some kind of temporary housing arrangement for you (that they pay), and have their relocation specialist meet you in a day or so to look at apartments. The relocation specialist should have contacted you or have you contact them before you even leave with what your looking for in an apartment (Furnished, 1 bedroom, near the school, on a bus/train line, etc) so that they have several places ready to show you. The goal is to get out of the expensive temporary housing and into something affordable as soon as possible. My story was that the temporary housing was about 1500â‚¬ out of about a 2700â‚¬ salary, when I moved my apartment was just under 1000â‚¬, and that extra 500â‚¬ made a BIG difference.

So how far does 2500â‚¬ go, for one person? Depends how often you go out really, thats the biggest cost differential for a single person. If you eat cheap (and that doesnt always mean at home, equipping a new kitchen can be expensive in itself, luckily in italy pasta requires a pot, a spoon, salt, and water), and stay in on the weekends you can do pretty well and save some money on 2500â‚¬. Its when you go shopping (check the schools dress code so you bring the right cloths, some schools are casual, some are business. You dont want to have to go shopping for a new wardrobe when you get there), and start just exploring the city that things start getting expensive (you have the metro, lunch at a cafe, you need to take a taxi after shopping because you have so many bags. You stop for a drink while reading a magazine or book. You meet someone, etc, etc.) If your a partier and want to do all the late night stuff, that will blow your budget quickly. You can either have a lot of fun over the year and leave with nothing, or save and either have a vacation or some money when summer comes.

Me I left Italy with a few hundred euro and my end of year bonus (1 weeks salary) which came out to about 900â‚¬. I had a lot of fun (lived in Rome), had a girlfriend, and went to Thailand. Didn't get to see much of the rest of Italy, no time really and its expensive (though the school did take us to Naples, and yeah the pizza is that good).

On 7/04/11, Angela wrote: > It is just me, single, recent grad.... They pay 3000 relocation... Half > before I would go, half when I arrive... I only need a 1 bedroom...thanks > for all the info... Still debating as I have several offers in the US. I > have a math major and secondary math education. > > > > > On 7/02/11, Dave (Correction) wrote: >> My mistake: 1 EUR = 1.45 USD >> >> >> >> On 7/02/11, Dave (again) wrote: >>> A crucial factor is how many people are going with you (Just you, >>> husband, kids)??? and the housing situation??? >>> >>> So basically after tax you have 30000â‚¬ which is about 2500â‚¬ a >>> month. They probably dont provide housing and they probably arent >>> providing a housing allowance, so housing (rent/utilities) will be >>> about half your salary (f your single you get a smaller place but >>> you have a nightlife, if you have kids or are married you have a >>> bigger place, but you dont go out, it all comes out about the same.) >>> Here are some average prices for Berlin. (â‚¬1 Euro = $.69 USD) >>> >>> Restaurants Meal, Inexpensive Restaurant=7.88 â‚¬ Meal for 2, >>> Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course=31.50 â‚¬ Combo Meal at >>> McDonalds or Similar =6.75 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter draught) >>> =2.25 â‚¬ Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=3.50 â‚¬ >>> Coke/Pepsi (0.33 liter bottle)=1.98 â‚¬ Water (0.33 liter >>> bottle)=1.88 â‚¬ >>> >>> Market Milk (regular), 1 liter)=0.68 â‚¬ Loaf of Fresh White >>> Bread (500g)=1.95 â‚¬ Eggs (12)=1.76 â‚¬ Fresh Cheese >>> (1kg)=10.67 â‚¬ Chicken Breasts (Boneless, Skinless), (1kg)=7.45 >>> â‚¬ Water (1.5 liter bottle)=0.60 â‚¬ Bottle of Wine >>> (Mid-Range)=4.62 â‚¬ Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle)=0.87 â‚¬ >>> Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle)=1.33 â‚¬ Pack of >>> Cigarettes (Marlboro)=4.50 â‚¬ >>> >>> Transportation One-way Ticket (Bus, Train)=2.25 â‚¬ Monthly >>> Pass=74.25 â‚¬ Taxi (5km within center)=10.35 â‚¬ >>> >>> Leisure Cinema, International Release, 1 Seat=9.00 â‚¬ Club Cover=20 >>> â‚¬ Massage (1 hour)=40 â‚¬ >>> >>> Clothing 1 Pair of Levis 501=71.25 â‚¬ 1 Summer Dress in a Chain >>> Store (Zara, H&M, ...)=38.00 â‚¬ 1 Pair of Nike Shoes=60.00 â‚¬ >>> 1 Pair of Men Leather Shoes=90.00 â‚¬ >>> >>> Utilities Basic (Electricity, Gas, Water, Garbage)=150.00 â‚¬ 1 >>> min. of Prepaid Mobile Tariff (no discounts or plans)=0.10 â‚¬ >>> Internet (6 Mbps, Flat Rate, ADSL)=24.48 â‚¬ >>> >>> Rent Apartment (1 bedroom) in City Centre=875.00 â‚¬ Apartment >>> (1 bedroom) Outside of Centre=825.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) >>> in City Centre=1,650.00 â‚¬ Apartment (3 bedrooms) Outside of >>> Centre=1,400.00 â‚¬ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Dave. The offer is for 36,000 euro annual before taxes, >>>> so I this is ok? >>>> >>>> On 7/02/11, Dave wrote: >>>>> Depends on the rest of the compensation package, and your >>>>> qualifications but about â‚¬30K/year would be right around >>>>> average with a range of â‚¬28K-â‚¬32K... >>>>> >>>>> On 7/02/11, Angela wrote: >>>>>> Can any of you tell me what an average starting salary is >>>>>> for a secondary math teacher in a bilingual school in >>>>>> Germany? I have been offered a position in Berlin and just >>>>>> wanted to know what I should expect as far as salary. >>>>>> Thanks!!!!

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