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by School Psyc

Nov 28, 2011

There is an opening still for a school psychologist. They just sent the announcement again yesterday to National Association of School Psychologists' job board. Do you think this means they have not recived very many applications? They posted it previously in late October.

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School Psyc The international job description you just gave sounds almost exactly like what I am doing now. Stateside school psychologists don't do much assessment anymore.

We do exactly what you just described. :) I think it has been a while since you have worked in the States.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > Youd be more a part of the learni...See MoreThe international job description you just gave sounds almost exactly like what I am doing now. Stateside school psychologists don't do much assessment anymore.

We do exactly what you just described. :) I think it has been a while since you have worked in the States.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > Youd be more a part of the learning support team (special education > and ESL). Honestly, you dont do a lot of formal psychometrics or > assessment. Its more interpreting and understanding diag. reports > that come in with a new student. At the schools that dont do > special ed, they want to know if the student will be too much work, > and at the schools that do they want to know what resources, and > how much to bill the parents. Private schools (of which almost all > international schools are) charge more for special ed if its > available. > > You will probabley do some light counseling, more of the intake > variety, where your determining if a student has a problem, and > whether its acute, or not. You wont do weekly recurring sessions or > anything like that. You will probably be a "time out" point for a > student going through serious issues. > > You will meet with parents in conjunction with the principal > regarding persistant, and "serious" behavioral issues. > > You will have a diagnostic and approval responsibilities regarding > action plans (IEP's) with students who have one. > > You will be part of the school crisis response team. > > You will supervise and manage to some extent members of the staff > and teachers. You will have a LOT of documentation and reporting > responsibilities. > > Outside of that youll be a part of the schools admin team and have > other non specific, general responsibilities to do. School Psyc. is > one of those admin jobs that you can "make" harder and bigger then > it is. When the reality is the workload is much lighter and easier. > ARD's are very simple, (called ART's Action Referral/Review Team). > Its just mostly staff, and its just a sit down and talk session, > usually with a parent. Theres little legal formalities. Private > schools have minimal legal requirements, paperwork they have to do. > Really if you want a good 1st hand perspective of what the job is > like. Find a private school that does special ed/ESL and see if > they have a counselor, and then ask to shadow or observe them. Its > really pretty lite work. > > Would I take an offer from BIS? Well if I was looking I would, > definitely. Id also definitely take a position at Bonn > International School in Germany. Concordia maybe, India no (I just > dont want to live in India). > > On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >> What would you expect to see from a school psychologist at an >> international school? >> >> Thank you for letting me know which schools are looking. I will >> check out the postings. If you had an offer from them, would you >> work there? >> >> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>> >>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>> >>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>> is just unrecognizable. >>> >>> >>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>> statement of educational >>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>> >>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>> >>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>> building either... >>>> >>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>> position. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>> >>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>> separately). >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

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Dave Yeah half a decade going on 6 years. When you were talking about observations and reccommendations, and teachers who dont like being told how to teach, it kind of reminded me of my experiences back in the states. You just dont see that kind of behavior at real international schools.

On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: > The international j...See MoreYeah half a decade going on 6 years. When you were talking about observations and reccommendations, and teachers who dont like being told how to teach, it kind of reminded me of my experiences back in the states. You just dont see that kind of behavior at real international schools.

On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: > The international job description you just gave sounds almost exactly > like what I am doing now. Stateside school psychologists don't do much > assessment anymore. > > We do exactly what you just described. :) I think it has been a while > since you have worked in the States. > > On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >> Youd be more a part of the learning support team (special education >> and ESL). Honestly, you dont do a lot of formal psychometrics or >> assessment. Its more interpreting and understanding diag. reports >> that come in with a new student. At the schools that dont do >> special ed, they want to know if the student will be too much work, >> and at the schools that do they want to know what resources, and >> how much to bill the parents. Private schools (of which almost all >> international schools are) charge more for special ed if its >> available. >> >> You will probabley do some light counseling, more of the intake >> variety, where your determining if a student has a problem, and >> whether its acute, or not. You wont do weekly recurring sessions or >> anything like that. You will probably be a "time out" point for a >> student going through serious issues. >> >> You will meet with parents in conjunction with the principal >> regarding persistant, and "serious" behavioral issues. >> >> You will have a diagnostic and approval responsibilities regarding >> action plans (IEP's) with students who have one. >> >> You will be part of the school crisis response team. >> >> You will supervise and manage to some extent members of the staff >> and teachers. You will have a LOT of documentation and reporting >> responsibilities. >> >> Outside of that youll be a part of the schools admin team and have >> other non specific, general responsibilities to do. School Psyc. is >> one of those admin jobs that you can "make" harder and bigger then >> it is. When the reality is the workload is much lighter and easier. >> ARD's are very simple, (called ART's Action Referral/Review Team). >> Its just mostly staff, and its just a sit down and talk session, >> usually with a parent. Theres little legal formalities. Private >> schools have minimal legal requirements, paperwork they have to do. >> Really if you want a good 1st hand perspective of what the job is >> like. Find a private school that does special ed/ESL and see if >> they have a counselor, and then ask to shadow or observe them. Its >> really pretty lite work. >> >> Would I take an offer from BIS? Well if I was looking I would, >> definitely. Id also definitely take a position at Bonn >> International School in Germany. Concordia maybe, India no (I just >> dont want to live in India). >> >> On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >>> What would you expect to see from a school psychologist at an >>> international school? >>> >>> Thank you for letting me know which schools are looking. I will >>> check out the postings. If you had an offer from them, would you >>> work there? >>> >>> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>>> >>>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>>> >>>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>>> is just unrecognizable. >>>> >>>> >>>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>>> statement of educational >>>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>>> >>>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>>> >>>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>>> building either... >>>>> >>>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>>> position. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>>> separately). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

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School Psyc I was having a bad day. Generally speaking, most of the teachers I work with are great. I was just frustrated that day by the few. No school is perfect. I just feel badly for students who are in these teachers' classrooms.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > Yeah half a decade going on 6 years. When you were talking about > observations and ...See MoreI was having a bad day. Generally speaking, most of the teachers I work with are great. I was just frustrated that day by the few. No school is perfect. I just feel badly for students who are in these teachers' classrooms.

On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: > Yeah half a decade going on 6 years. When you were talking about > observations and reccommendations, and teachers who dont like being told > how to teach, it kind of reminded me of my experiences back in the > states. You just dont see that kind of behavior at real international > schools. > > > On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >> The international job description you just gave sounds almost exactly >> like what I am doing now. Stateside school psychologists don't do much >> assessment anymore. >> >> We do exactly what you just described. :) I think it has been a while >> since you have worked in the States. >> >> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>> Youd be more a part of the learning support team (special education >>> and ESL). Honestly, you dont do a lot of formal psychometrics or >>> assessment. Its more interpreting and understanding diag. reports >>> that come in with a new student. At the schools that dont do >>> special ed, they want to know if the student will be too much work, >>> and at the schools that do they want to know what resources, and >>> how much to bill the parents. Private schools (of which almost all >>> international schools are) charge more for special ed if its >>> available. >>> >>> You will probabley do some light counseling, more of the intake >>> variety, where your determining if a student has a problem, and >>> whether its acute, or not. You wont do weekly recurring sessions or >>> anything like that. You will probably be a "time out" point for a >>> student going through serious issues. >>> >>> You will meet with parents in conjunction with the principal >>> regarding persistant, and "serious" behavioral issues. >>> >>> You will have a diagnostic and approval responsibilities regarding >>> action plans (IEP's) with students who have one. >>> >>> You will be part of the school crisis response team. >>> >>> You will supervise and manage to some extent members of the staff >>> and teachers. You will have a LOT of documentation and reporting >>> responsibilities. >>> >>> Outside of that youll be a part of the schools admin team and have >>> other non specific, general responsibilities to do. School Psyc. is >>> one of those admin jobs that you can "make" harder and bigger then >>> it is. When the reality is the workload is much lighter and easier. >>> ARD's are very simple, (called ART's Action Referral/Review Team). >>> Its just mostly staff, and its just a sit down and talk session, >>> usually with a parent. Theres little legal formalities. Private >>> schools have minimal legal requirements, paperwork they have to do. >>> Really if you want a good 1st hand perspective of what the job is >>> like. Find a private school that does special ed/ESL and see if >>> they have a counselor, and then ask to shadow or observe them. Its >>> really pretty lite work. >>> >>> Would I take an offer from BIS? Well if I was looking I would, >>> definitely. Id also definitely take a position at Bonn >>> International School in Germany. Concordia maybe, India no (I just >>> dont want to live in India). >>> >>> On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>> What would you expect to see from a school psychologist at an >>>> international school? >>>> >>>> Thank you for letting me know which schools are looking. I will >>>> check out the postings. If you had an offer from them, would you >>>> work there? >>>> >>>> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>>>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>>>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>>>> >>>>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>>>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>>>> >>>>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>>>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>>>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>>>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>>>> is just unrecognizable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>>>> statement of educational >>>>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>>>> >>>>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>>>> >>>>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>>>> building either... >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>>>> position. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>>>> separately). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

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D. Thomas I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to Europe.

India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are relatively happy there, but not for me.

I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do have...See MoreI would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to Europe.

India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are relatively happy there, but not for me.

I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do have a mixed reputation, but more for things like poor leadership, communication etc rather than big things like not paying you on time. It would probably be worth interviewing and drawing your own conclusions about admin.

That being said, my first int'l school was way farther down the foodchain and I don't regret taking the leap. Everyone has to start somewhere.

On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: > Thank you. International School Beijing (ISB) has a very clear > description of what they expect from their new school psychologist > and they do include the tasks listed below in addition to several > others. If you (and or your wife) were offered a position at these > three schools, would you go? > > On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: >> Actually Dave, I just participated in a conference on special >> education in Beijing (yes, that is what it was called) with >> learning support teachers and counselors from all the main >> schools in Beijing, AND from their first hand reports and >> experiences, the job is not that different. >> >> The scope and severity of the issues is more to the mild side, >> of course, but with higher expectations and less tolerance for >> behavioral issues, there is still a fair amount of actual >> learning support, pastoral counseling, social skills building, >> collaboraton etc going on (even at ISB and WAB). >> >> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>> >>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>> >>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>> is just unrecognizable. >>> >>> >>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>> statement of educational >>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>> >>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>> >>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>> building either... >>>> >>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>> position. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>> >>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>> separately). >>>>>> >>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

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School Psyc With children approaching college age, it would be nice to put some extra money into savings. Thanks,

On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: > I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in > Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to > Europe. > > India is not really on the menu fo...See MoreWith children approaching college age, it would be nice to put some extra money into savings. Thanks,

On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: > I would probably take a job at Bonn, although we are hoping to stay in > Asia for a few more years to try and save some money before heading to > Europe. > > India is not really on the menu for me. I know some people who are > relatively happy there, but not for me. > > I would be interested in Bangkok and would consider Concordia. They do > have a mixed reputation, but more for things like poor leadership, > communication etc rather than big things like not paying you on time. > It would probably be worth interviewing and drawing your own > conclusions about admin. > > That being said, my first int'l school was way farther down the > foodchain and I don't regret taking the leap. Everyone has to start > somewhere. > > On 12/01/11, School Psyc wrote: >> Thank you. International School Beijing (ISB) has a very clear >> description of what they expect from their new school psychologist >> and they do include the tasks listed below in addition to several >> others. If you (and or your wife) were offered a position at these >> three schools, would you go? >> >> On 12/01/11, D. Thomas wrote: >>> Actually Dave, I just participated in a conference on special >>> education in Beijing (yes, that is what it was called) with >>> learning support teachers and counselors from all the main >>> schools in Beijing, AND from their first hand reports and >>> experiences, the job is not that different. >>> >>> The scope and severity of the issues is more to the mild side, >>> of course, but with higher expectations and less tolerance for >>> behavioral issues, there is still a fair amount of actual >>> learning support, pastoral counseling, social skills building, >>> collaboraton etc going on (even at ISB and WAB). >>> >>> On 12/01/11, Dave wrote: >>>> Since you've applied to this school why not a few more? The >>>> following schools are looking for psychologists: >>>> >>>> Germany-Bonn International School India-American School of >>>> Bombay Thailand-Concordian International School (Bangkok) >>>> >>>> I know your not going to believe this now, or really >>>> identify with it now, but what you do at a public school >>>> in the USA, is nothing like you will do at an international >>>> school. Special Ed, assessment, counseling, collaboration >>>> is just unrecognizable. >>>> >>>> >>>> 11/11/2011On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>> I updated my resume, wrote a cover letter, and a >>>>> statement of educational >>>>> philosophy and e-mailed them just a minute ago. The >>>>> more I read over the requirements of the position, the >>>>> more excited I became about the position. I have wanted >>>>> to become a coordinator/director for a while. I just >>>>> hope this school is willing to hire someone that does >>>>> not already have that specific experience. >>>>> >>>>> I already collaborate with guidance, teachers, and >>>>> health professionals, but have not been in a >>>>> supervisory position. That is precisely why I have been >>>>> frustrated in my current position. I observe in >>>>> classes, consult with teachers who say, "Oh, that >>>>> is a great idea," but never implements the >>>>> suggestions. Then, when the student's behavior or >>>>> academics get worse, they complain again and want the >>>>> student out of the room. It is very frustrating to be >>>>> in a position where I am expected to fix things, but >>>>> have no authority to require them to follow through on >>>>> items they have agreed would be beneficial. >>>>> >>>>> We do work together collaboratively to come to >>>>> agreements, but it is frustrating when there is no >>>>> follow through on their end and there is nothing I can >>>>> do about it. Many teachers are wonderful and are doing >>>>> great with this collaboration model, but the 2-3 who >>>>> don't can make things frustrating and I feel badly for >>>>> the students in those classrooms. At this point, my >>>>> only recourse is to tattle on them to administration >>>>> and I don't think that is great for relationship >>>>> building either... >>>>> >>>>> Oh, well, long story short, "Thank you for your >>>>> encouragement, I have applied for the position." >>>>> >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> On 11/30/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>> The NASP job board is only visible to members (school >>>>>> psychologists, school psychology students, and >>>>>> retired school psychologists) who pay a yearly >>>>>> membership fee of $195. The information posted there >>>>>> is identical to the information posted at the >>>>>> school's website when you click on the link for the >>>>>> position. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>> I havent seen the NASP job board, but I doubt they >>>>>>> will get an MD, but i think they would be very >>>>>>> interested if they had one apply, who was >>>>>>> everything else as well... (They have two separate >>>>>>> nurses facilities on campus). I honestly think if >>>>>>> its anything its the language proficiencies they >>>>>>> are holding out for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its a director position your going to be a lot more >>>>>>> involved in special populations (ESOL/Special ed) >>>>>>> then you will with assessment and counseling, and >>>>>>> more then half the job will be traditional >>>>>>> supervisory and administration tasks (paperwork). >>>>>>> You wont be teaching psychology (they are hiring >>>>>>> for a social studies psychology teacher >>>>>>> separately). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously though why dont you apply, its not like >>>>>>> its a lot of energy on your part. Shoot them a >>>>>>> resume, and your application packet, and fill out >>>>>>> the application. It would take 30 minutes of your >>>>>>> time, and the worst that happens is they say no, >>>>>>> and your really not out anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/29/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>> It is clearly listed as an administrative >>>>>>>> position. They clearly want someone with >>>>>>>> significant experience supervising ESOL, guidance >>>>>>>> counselors, and special education/learning >>>>>>>> support. I think they also want the person to be >>>>>>>> a teacher (to help with learning support and >>>>>>>> teach psychology) in addition to completing >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests. The thing about >>>>>>>> cognitive and achievement tests is that they are >>>>>>>> not very accurate if given in a language not >>>>>>>> understood by the student and interpreters are >>>>>>>> not as good as having a bi (tri) lingual >>>>>>>> psychologist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most schools cannot afford to keep an MD on staff >>>>>>>> and someone this qualified would be at a very >>>>>>>> high position in their current school district if >>>>>>>> such a person exists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not want to be in that type of position, >>>>>>>> personally, so I will do what I can to focus on >>>>>>>> qualifying for the foreign service... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/29/11, Dave wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thomas will weigh in better here, as you know >>>>>>>>> hes in Beijing, and if not his ear to the >>>>>>>>> ground, at least he has his feet there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my experience, I think they have probably >>>>>>>>> (actually I know) gotten a lot of applications >>>>>>>>> but they are looking for the >>>>>>>>> "perfect" candidate, and they have >>>>>>>>> time to wait it out. School Psyc, at BIS isnt a >>>>>>>>> "critical needs" position, so they >>>>>>>>> can wait it out. From what I read and my >>>>>>>>> experience, they have some very, very specific >>>>>>>>> characteristics they want. FYI, they dont have >>>>>>>>> a lot of special ed, or a lot of psychometric >>>>>>>>> test requirements, or even a lot of counseling, >>>>>>>>> so this is really an experienced "jack of >>>>>>>>> all trades", career, junior admin >>>>>>>>> position. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The word I heard (***Rumor***) is they would >>>>>>>>> really like someone who is tri-lingual (and the >>>>>>>>> word on that is English, Mandarin, and German >>>>>>>>> or French), has a doctorate, IB experience, >>>>>>>>> college advising experience, and has >>>>>>>>> pharmacological experience (I *personally* >>>>>>>>> think they are looking for a MD). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ISB in this case means, "International >>>>>>>>>> School Beijing." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/28/11, School Psyc wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> There is an opening still for a school >>>>>>>>>>> psychologist. They just sent the >>>>>>>>>>> announcement again yesterday to National >>>>>>>>>>> Association of School Psychologists' job >>>>>>>>>>> board. Do you think this means they have >>>>>>>>>>> not recived very many applications? They >>>>>>>>>>> posted it previously in late October.

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