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ARAMCO or DODEA

by just wishing

May 8, 2015

OK - the Aramco conversation has me thinking. If given the choice which would people choose and why? I am leaning toward ARAMCO for the salary. Thoughts?

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love dodea I live in Europe and work for DODEA. I can grab a $50
plane fare to London, Ireland and Scotland any day of the
week. I can go to Italy, Greece, Germany or France for
about the same in plane fare and enjoy most of the free
world for very little money.The summers are bearable and
the beaches are wonderful. I haven't heard of cars bein...See More

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oh yeah... ..and family and friends will actually want to come and see you if you work in Europe/Med or the Pacific with DODEA, unlike SA. On 2/12/16, love dodea wrote: > I live in Europe and work for DODEA. I can grab a $50 > plane fare to London, Ireland and Scotland any day of the > week. I can go to Italy, Greece, Germany or France for > abou...See More ..and family and friends will actually want to come and see you if you work in Europe/Med or the Pacific with DODEA, unlike SA. On 2/12/16, love dodea wrote: > I live in Europe and work for DODEA. I can grab a $50 > plane fare to London, Ireland and Scotland any day of the > week. I can go to Italy, Greece, Germany or France for > about the same in plane fare and enjoy most of the free > world for very little money.The summers are bearable and > the beaches are wonderful. I haven't heard of cars being > stollen, only "broken into" if they are left unlocked or > if you have expensive things left in sight, but that is a > good portion of Europe where unemployment is higher than > in the states. The Pacific is just about the same thing, > you can travel inexpensivly and there is so much to see. I > would rather have my car broken into than to have to > constantly worry about my safety because I am in a country > where Americans are a target. > > > > On 2/12/16, Opression is a funny thing wrote: >> >> It might be a great job if you support working in a >> country that considers women property, won't let them >> drive, go places un escorted by a male relative, play in >> competitive sports..the list goes on and on. If you live >> there and make your money there, you are supporting the >> opression of women. In additon, it is not that safe, my >> son worked there for a short stint, was in a "safe living >> area" of protected villas and was robbed several times. >> The private drivers kept an eye out for when he and his >> house mates were not home and let the robbers know. The >> drivers got a cut of the goods and the local police did >> nothing. >> >> >> On 2/11/16, In DoDEA wrote: >>> As a teaching couple in DoDEA, my wife and I make about >>> $120,000/year plus housing. We work in a very >>> unsupported/unprofessional environment. There is no >>> opportunity to move anymore because transfers have been >>> severely cut. We don't have extra money left after bills >>> to do much travelling for our family of four. I have a >>> family member who teaches for ARAMCO. As a teaching >>> couple, they make $260,000/year and pay about $5000/year >>> for housing. They work in a very supported and >>> professional environment, and they feel very safe living >>> in Saudi Arabia. Their family of four makes enough to >>> hire a full-time housekeeper and travel the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/10/15, People do obviously wrote: >>> >>>> The people at ARAMCO obviously like it as most stay for >>>> an >>> >>>> entire career! The leave with a hefty retirement! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>> >>>>> So fill yer boots! I prefer to live in places that I >>> >>>> would >>> >>>>> actually want to step foot in, even if they weren't >>> >>>>> throwing money at me. How many people can honestly say >>> >>>>> that about SA? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 5/10/15, financially speaking wrote: >>> >>>>>> ARAMCO is a way better deal. Free, large, substantial >>> >>>>>> housing in American style neighborhoods, free yearly >>> >>>>>> travel home, and best of all a larger salary than >>>>>> dodds >>> >>>>>> which is totally tax free! no state or fed! Many >>>>>> dodds >>> >>>>>> people pay state and fed. This is a huge savings. Med >>> >>>> and >>> >>>>>> dental are also quite generous and paid for in full. >>> >>>>>> Financially, ARAMCO is much better. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Well, you need to be protected because you are >>> >>>>>>> surrounded by people that hate you and would like to >>>>>>> do >>> >>>>>>> harm to you. And you go home every year because no >>>>>>> one >>> >>>>>>> wants to stay there. Also, think about the fact that >>> >>>>>>> being able to go to Bahrain is considered a plus but >>> >>>>>>> Bahrain is considered a hardship location by DoDDS. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> If you (or whoever actually works there) are happy >>>>>>> and >>> >>>>>>> well paid then I wish you the best of it. I'm sure >>>>>>> some >>> >>>>>>> people would prefer a bit of extra money to live in >>>>>>> SA. >>> >>>>>>> If so then I suppose ARAMCO is nice work if you can >>>>>>> get >>> >>>>>>> it. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I'm happy to be in DoDDS, have job secruity and have >>> >>>>>>> opportunities to live and work in some of the best >>>>>>> and >>> >>>>>>> most interesting places in the world and have one of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>>>>> best overall packages a teacher can be on. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 5/10/15, near to bahrain wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> ARAMCO is great, because it is right next to >>>>>>>> Bahrain. >>> >>>>>>>> Many people drive on over - holidays and weekends - >>>>>>>> to >>> >>>>>>>> go to the fantastic malls, American eateries, >>>>>>>> scuba, >>> >>>>>>>> surfing, golf, brunch at the Ritz and more. ARAMCO >>>>>>>> is >>> >>>> a >>> >>>>>>>> very cared for community and no there is slim >>>>>>>> chances >>> >>>>>>>> of being harmed. KSA really does protect American >>> >>>>>>>> workers. No chance either of being robbed or having >>> >>>>>>>> your car stolen - as in Italy and Spain. The pay >>>>>>>> just >>> >>>>>>>> amkes this deal sweet and yes you do get a free >>>>>>>> trip >>> >>>>>>>> home every summmer. There are also less teaching >>>>>>>> days >>> >>>>>>>> than in DOD and for prof dev you are sent to the >>> >>>> states >>> >>>>>>>> and not just fed the same lines from people who >>>>>>>> read >>> >>>>>>>> articles and now present to you as experts. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Don't forget that the odds of being blown up, shot >>>>>>>>> or >>> >>>>>>>>> beheaded are also much higher in SA than the vast >>> >>>>>>>> majority >>> >>>>>>>>> of DoDDS locations (j/k. Sort of. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> As for base salary being lower than most states, >>> >>>>>>>>> that's just false. You've obviously never taught >>>>>>>>> in >>> >>>>>>>>> the South or some parts of NY. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Why do you say there is no chance of ARAMCO >>>>>>>>> getting >>> >>>>>>>>> rid >>> >>>>>>>> of >>> >>>>>>>>> you? More false information. In the wonderful >>>>>>>>> world >>> >>>> of >>> >>>>>>>>> int'l teaching there are no labor law protections >>>>>>>>> and >>> >>>>>>>>> you generally teach from contract to contract. If >>> >>>>>>>>> ARAMCO is >>> >>>>>>>> so >>> >>>>>>>>> elite than they will want you to perform, or else. >>> >>>>>>>>> Also, if you pay no taxes, you do not pay into S.S >>>>>>>>> so >>> >>>>>>>>> you had better be investing that money. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> DoDDS is certainly not perfect and not for >>>>>>>>> everyone >>> >>>>>>>>> (as made obvious by some of these posts). I've >>>>>>>>> taught >>> >>>>>>>>> in the ME and would never go to SA (well, it would >>> >>>>>>>>> take a LOT more money and I would do a couple of >>> >>>> years >>> >>>>>>>>> and get the freak out). >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Many DoDDS locations though are places you would >>> >>>>>>>>> actually want to live, travel and stay for many >>>>>>>>> years >>> >>>>>>>>> (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan). I don't think >>> >>>> many >>> >>>>>>>>> people can honestly say that about SA. Let that be >>> >>>>>>>>> your main >>> >>>>>>>> decision >>> >>>>>>>>> maker not a few dollars either way. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, dollar strong wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> Dollar is strong now, so there is not more post >>> >>>>>>>>>> allowance. If dollar drops we will get it again. >>>>>>>>>> THe >>> >>>>>>>>>> commissary and px are not really that >>>>>>>>>> inexpensive, >>> >>>> in >>> >>>>>>>>>> fact, when I price compare >>> >>>>>>>>> with >>> >>>>>>>>>> COSTCO/Sams' Club in the states then the comm is >>> >>>> more >>> >>>>>>>>>> expensive. The commissary is only really >>>>>>>>>> inexpensive >>> >>>>>>>> when >>> >>>>>>>>>> they are trying to clear items out. Yes, there >>>>>>>>>> are >>> >>>>>>>>>> gyms >>> >>>>>>>> - >>> >>>>>>>>>> they are not that special. Your average Gold's >>>>>>>>>> Gym >>> >>>> is >>> >>>>>>>>>> better and ARAMCO has state of the art opps for >>>>>>>>>> that >>> >>>>>>>>>> as well. ARAMCO has beautiful homes on their >>> >>>>>>>>>> compounds too. The base salary in DODEA is much >>> >>>> lower >>> >>>>>>>>>> than in most states, but yes the housing >>>>>>>>>> allowance >>> >>>> is >>> >>>>>>>>>> good. The problem with the salary and the housing >>> >>>>>>>>>> allowance is >>> >>>>>>>> that >>> >>>>>>>>>> there will come a day when dodds will say >>> >>>>>>>>> you >>> >>>>>>>>>> are overpaid and will take the money right out of >>> >>>>>>>>>> your salary/tax return/or bank account. ARAMCO >>>>>>>>>> does >>> >>>>>>>>>> not do that nor do stateside school districts. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> With dodds you still must pay fed and state taxes >>> >>>>>>>>>> with ARAMCO you are exempt from taxes! Yes - your >>> >>>>>>>>>> salary - >>> >>>>>>>> all >>> >>>>>>>>>> of it - goes to YOU! The housing in ARAMCO was >>>>>>>>>> built >>> >>>>>>>>>> by >>> >>>>>>>> a >>> >>>>>>>>>> CAlifornia cooperation and is really lovely. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes there are some negs with ARAMCO, but there >>>>>>>>>> are >>> >>>>>>>>>> many positives. Oh yes, with aramco there are no >>> >>>>>>>>>> threats of downsizing/moving you somewhere else/ >>>>>>>>>> or >>> >>>>>>>>>> getting rid of you. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, Money Money wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> According to this: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> [link removed];

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Oppression aramco was established by the us government so you can by oil to fuel you cars and airplanes. They also own a good portion of the credit card companies you use. So I guess you support the oppression of women to. At least the hard workers of Aramco are taking their money. You are giving them yours.

n 2/12/16, oh yeah... wrote: > ..and fa...See Morearamco was established by the us government so you can by oil to fuel you cars and airplanes. They also own a good portion of the credit card companies you use. So I guess you support the oppression of women to. At least the hard workers of Aramco are taking their money. You are giving them yours.

n 2/12/16, oh yeah... wrote: > ..and family and friends will actually want to come and > see you if you work in Europe/Med or the Pacific with DODEA, > unlike SA. > On 2/12/16, love dodea wrote: >> I live in Europe and work for DODEA. I can grab a $50 >> plane fare to London, Ireland and Scotland any day of the >> week. I can go to Italy, Greece, Germany or France for >> about the same in plane fare and enjoy most of the free >> world for very little money.The summers are bearable and >> the beaches are wonderful. I haven't heard of cars being >> stollen, only "broken into" if they are left unlocked or >> if you have expensive things left in sight, but that is a >> good portion of Europe where unemployment is higher than >> in the states. The Pacific is just about the same thing, >> you can travel inexpensivly and there is so much to see. I >> would rather have my car broken into than to have to >> constantly worry about my safety because I am in a country >> where Americans are a target. >> >> >> >> On 2/12/16, Opression is a funny thing wrote: >>> >>> It might be a great job if you support working in a >>> country that considers women property, won't let them >>> drive, go places un escorted by a male relative, play in >>> competitive sports..the list goes on and on. If you live >>> there and make your money there, you are supporting the >>> opression of women. In additon, it is not that safe, my >>> son worked there for a short stint, was in a "safe living >>> area" of protected villas and was robbed several times. >>> The private drivers kept an eye out for when he and his >>> house mates were not home and let the robbers know. The >>> drivers got a cut of the goods and the local police did >>> nothing. >>> >>> >>> On 2/11/16, In DoDEA wrote: >>>> As a teaching couple in DoDEA, my wife and I make about >>>> $120,000/year plus housing. We work in a very >>>> unsupported/unprofessional environment. There is no >>>> opportunity to move anymore because transfers have been >>>> severely cut. We don't have extra money left after bills >>>> to do much travelling for our family of four. I have a >>>> family member who teaches for ARAMCO. As a teaching >>>> couple, they make $260,000/year and pay about $5000/year >>>> for housing. They work in a very supported and >>>> professional environment, and they feel very safe living >>>> in Saudi Arabia. Their family of four makes enough to >>>> hire a full-time housekeeper and travel the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/10/15, People do obviously wrote: >>>> >>>>> The people at ARAMCO obviously like it as most stay for >>>>> an >>>> >>>>> entire career! The leave with a hefty retirement! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>> So fill yer boots! I prefer to live in places that I >>>> >>>>> would >>>> >>>>>> actually want to step foot in, even if they weren't >>>> >>>>>> throwing money at me. How many people can honestly say >>>> >>>>>> that about SA? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 5/10/15, financially speaking wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> ARAMCO is a way better deal. Free, large, substantial >>>> >>>>>>> housing in American style neighborhoods, free yearly >>>> >>>>>>> travel home, and best of all a larger salary than >>>>>>> dodds >>>> >>>>>>> which is totally tax free! no state or fed! Many >>>>>>> dodds >>>> >>>>>>> people pay state and fed. This is a huge savings. Med >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>> dental are also quite generous and paid for in full. >>>> >>>>>>> Financially, ARAMCO is much better. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> Well, you need to be protected because you are >>>> >>>>>>>> surrounded by people that hate you and would like to >>>>>>>> do >>>> >>>>>>>> harm to you. And you go home every year because no >>>>>>>> one >>>> >>>>>>>> wants to stay there. Also, think about the fact that >>>> >>>>>>>> being able to go to Bahrain is considered a plus but >>>> >>>>>>>> Bahrain is considered a hardship location by DoDDS. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> If you (or whoever actually works there) are happy >>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>> well paid then I wish you the best of it. I'm sure >>>>>>>> some >>>> >>>>>>>> people would prefer a bit of extra money to live in >>>>>>>> SA. >>>> >>>>>>>> If so then I suppose ARAMCO is nice work if you can >>>>>>>> get >>>> >>>>>>>> it. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to be in DoDDS, have job secruity and have >>>> >>>>>>>> opportunities to live and work in some of the best >>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>> most interesting places in the world and have one of >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>>>>> best overall packages a teacher can be on. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/10/15, near to bahrain wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> ARAMCO is great, because it is right next to >>>>>>>>> Bahrain. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Many people drive on over - holidays and weekends - >>>>>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>>>>> go to the fantastic malls, American eateries, >>>>>>>>> scuba, >>>> >>>>>>>>> surfing, golf, brunch at the Ritz and more. ARAMCO >>>>>>>>> is >>>> >>>>> a >>>> >>>>>>>>> very cared for community and no there is slim >>>>>>>>> chances >>>> >>>>>>>>> of being harmed. KSA really does protect American >>>> >>>>>>>>> workers. No chance either of being robbed or having >>>> >>>>>>>>> your car stolen - as in Italy and Spain. The pay >>>>>>>>> just >>>> >>>>>>>>> amkes this deal sweet and yes you do get a free >>>>>>>>> trip >>>> >>>>>>>>> home every summmer. There are also less teaching >>>>>>>>> days >>>> >>>>>>>>> than in DOD and for prof dev you are sent to the >>>> >>>>> states >>>> >>>>>>>>> and not just fed the same lines from people who >>>>>>>>> read >>>> >>>>>>>>> articles and now present to you as experts. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that the odds of being blown up, shot >>>>>>>>>> or >>>> >>>>>>>>>> beheaded are also much higher in SA than the vast >>>> >>>>>>>>> majority >>>> >>>>>>>>>> of DoDDS locations (j/k. Sort of. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for base salary being lower than most states, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> that's just false. You've obviously never taught >>>>>>>>>> in >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the South or some parts of NY. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do you say there is no chance of ARAMCO >>>>>>>>>> getting >>>> >>>>>>>>>> rid >>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you? More false information. In the wonderful >>>>>>>>>> world >>>> >>>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>>>> int'l teaching there are no labor law protections >>>>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you generally teach from contract to contract. If >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ARAMCO is >>>> >>>>>>>>> so >>>> >>>>>>>>>> elite than they will want you to perform, or else. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, if you pay no taxes, you do not pay into S.S >>>>>>>>>> so >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you had better be investing that money. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> DoDDS is certainly not perfect and not for >>>>>>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>>>>>>>> (as made obvious by some of these posts). I've >>>>>>>>>> taught >>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the ME and would never go to SA (well, it would >>>> >>>>>>>>>> take a LOT more money and I would do a couple of >>>> >>>>> years >>>> >>>>>>>>>> and get the freak out). >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many DoDDS locations though are places you would >>>> >>>>>>>>>> actually want to live, travel and stay for many >>>>>>>>>> years >>>> >>>>>>>>>> (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan). I don't think >>>> >>>>> many >>>> >>>>>>>>>> people can honestly say that about SA. Let that be >>>> >>>>>>>>>> your main >>>> >>>>>>>>> decision >>>> >>>>>>>>>> maker not a few dollars either way. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, dollar strong wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dollar is strong now, so there is not more post >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> allowance. If dollar drops we will get it again. >>>>>>>>>>> THe >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> commissary and px are not really that >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive, >>>> >>>>> in >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fact, when I price compare >>>> >>>>>>>>>> with >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> COSTCO/Sams' Club in the states then the comm is >>>> >>>>> more >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> expensive. The commissary is only really >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive >>>> >>>>>>>>> when >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they are trying to clear items out. Yes, there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gyms >>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they are not that special. Your average Gold's >>>>>>>>>>> Gym >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> better and ARAMCO has state of the art opps for >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as well. ARAMCO has beautiful homes on their >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> compounds too. The base salary in DODEA is much >>>> >>>>> lower >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> than in most states, but yes the housing >>>>>>>>>>> allowance >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> good. The problem with the salary and the housing >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> allowance is >>>> >>>>>>>>> that >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> there will come a day when dodds will say >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are overpaid and will take the money right out of >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your salary/tax return/or bank account. ARAMCO >>>>>>>>>>> does >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> not do that nor do stateside school districts. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With dodds you still must pay fed and state taxes >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> with ARAMCO you are exempt from taxes! Yes - your >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> salary - >>>> >>>>>>>>> all >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of it - goes to YOU! The housing in ARAMCO was >>>>>>>>>>> built >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CAlifornia cooperation and is really lovely. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes there are some negs with ARAMCO, but there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> many positives. Oh yes, with aramco there are no >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> threats of downsizing/moving you somewhere else/ >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> getting rid of you. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> According to this: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> [link removed];

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In Dodea That must be nice to be in a good DoDDS location. Many of us are stuck on hardship tours due to the death of the transfer program.

On 2/12/16, oh yeah... wrote: > ..and family and friends will actually want to come and > see you if you work in Europe/Med or the Pacific with DODEA, > unlike SA. > On 2/12/16, love dodea wrote: &g...See MoreThat must be nice to be in a good DoDDS location. Many of us are stuck on hardship tours due to the death of the transfer program.

On 2/12/16, oh yeah... wrote: > ..and family and friends will actually want to come and > see you if you work in Europe/Med or the Pacific with DODEA, > unlike SA. > On 2/12/16, love dodea wrote: >> I live in Europe and work for DODEA. I can grab a $50 >> plane fare to London, Ireland and Scotland any day of the >> week. I can go to Italy, Greece, Germany or France for >> about the same in plane fare and enjoy most of the free >> world for very little money.The summers are bearable and >> the beaches are wonderful. I haven't heard of cars being >> stollen, only "broken into" if they are left unlocked or >> if you have expensive things left in sight, but that is a >> good portion of Europe where unemployment is higher than >> in the states. The Pacific is just about the same thing, >> you can travel inexpensivly and there is so much to see. I >> would rather have my car broken into than to have to >> constantly worry about my safety because I am in a country >> where Americans are a target. >> >> >> >> On 2/12/16, Opression is a funny thing wrote: >>> >>> It might be a great job if you support working in a >>> country that considers women property, won't let them >>> drive, go places un escorted by a male relative, play in >>> competitive sports..the list goes on and on. If you live >>> there and make your money there, you are supporting the >>> opression of women. In additon, it is not that safe, my >>> son worked there for a short stint, was in a "safe living >>> area" of protected villas and was robbed several times. >>> The private drivers kept an eye out for when he and his >>> house mates were not home and let the robbers know. The >>> drivers got a cut of the goods and the local police did >>> nothing. >>> >>> >>> On 2/11/16, In DoDEA wrote: >>>> As a teaching couple in DoDEA, my wife and I make about >>>> $120,000/year plus housing. We work in a very >>>> unsupported/unprofessional environment. There is no >>>> opportunity to move anymore because transfers have been >>>> severely cut. We don't have extra money left after bills >>>> to do much travelling for our family of four. I have a >>>> family member who teaches for ARAMCO. As a teaching >>>> couple, they make $260,000/year and pay about $5000/year >>>> for housing. They work in a very supported and >>>> professional environment, and they feel very safe living >>>> in Saudi Arabia. Their family of four makes enough to >>>> hire a full-time housekeeper and travel the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/10/15, People do obviously wrote: >>>> >>>>> The people at ARAMCO obviously like it as most stay for >>>>> an >>>> >>>>> entire career! The leave with a hefty retirement! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>> So fill yer boots! I prefer to live in places that I >>>> >>>>> would >>>> >>>>>> actually want to step foot in, even if they weren't >>>> >>>>>> throwing money at me. How many people can honestly say >>>> >>>>>> that about SA? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 5/10/15, financially speaking wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> ARAMCO is a way better deal. Free, large, substantial >>>> >>>>>>> housing in American style neighborhoods, free yearly >>>> >>>>>>> travel home, and best of all a larger salary than >>>>>>> dodds >>>> >>>>>>> which is totally tax free! no state or fed! Many >>>>>>> dodds >>>> >>>>>>> people pay state and fed. This is a huge savings. Med >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>> dental are also quite generous and paid for in full. >>>> >>>>>>> Financially, ARAMCO is much better. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> Well, you need to be protected because you are >>>> >>>>>>>> surrounded by people that hate you and would like to >>>>>>>> do >>>> >>>>>>>> harm to you. And you go home every year because no >>>>>>>> one >>>> >>>>>>>> wants to stay there. Also, think about the fact that >>>> >>>>>>>> being able to go to Bahrain is considered a plus but >>>> >>>>>>>> Bahrain is considered a hardship location by DoDDS. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> If you (or whoever actually works there) are happy >>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>> well paid then I wish you the best of it. I'm sure >>>>>>>> some >>>> >>>>>>>> people would prefer a bit of extra money to live in >>>>>>>> SA. >>>> >>>>>>>> If so then I suppose ARAMCO is nice work if you can >>>>>>>> get >>>> >>>>>>>> it. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to be in DoDDS, have job secruity and have >>>> >>>>>>>> opportunities to live and work in some of the best >>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>> most interesting places in the world and have one of >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>>>>> best overall packages a teacher can be on. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/10/15, near to bahrain wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> ARAMCO is great, because it is right next to >>>>>>>>> Bahrain. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Many people drive on over - holidays and weekends - >>>>>>>>> to >>>> >>>>>>>>> go to the fantastic malls, American eateries, >>>>>>>>> scuba, >>>> >>>>>>>>> surfing, golf, brunch at the Ritz and more. ARAMCO >>>>>>>>> is >>>> >>>>> a >>>> >>>>>>>>> very cared for community and no there is slim >>>>>>>>> chances >>>> >>>>>>>>> of being harmed. KSA really does protect American >>>> >>>>>>>>> workers. No chance either of being robbed or having >>>> >>>>>>>>> your car stolen - as in Italy and Spain. The pay >>>>>>>>> just >>>> >>>>>>>>> amkes this deal sweet and yes you do get a free >>>>>>>>> trip >>>> >>>>>>>>> home every summmer. There are also less teaching >>>>>>>>> days >>>> >>>>>>>>> than in DOD and for prof dev you are sent to the >>>> >>>>> states >>>> >>>>>>>>> and not just fed the same lines from people who >>>>>>>>> read >>>> >>>>>>>>> articles and now present to you as experts. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that the odds of being blown up, shot >>>>>>>>>> or >>>> >>>>>>>>>> beheaded are also much higher in SA than the vast >>>> >>>>>>>>> majority >>>> >>>>>>>>>> of DoDDS locations (j/k. Sort of. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for base salary being lower than most states, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> that's just false. You've obviously never taught >>>>>>>>>> in >>>> >>>>>>>>>> the South or some parts of NY. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why do you say there is no chance of ARAMCO >>>>>>>>>> getting >>>> >>>>>>>>>> rid >>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you? More false information. In the wonderful >>>>>>>>>> world >>>> >>>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>>>> int'l teaching there are no labor law protections >>>>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you generally teach from contract to contract. If >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ARAMCO is >>>> >>>>>>>>> so >>>> >>>>>>>>>> elite than they will want you to perform, or else. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, if you pay no taxes, you do not pay into S.S >>>>>>>>>> so >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you had better be investing that money. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> DoDDS is certainly not perfect and not for >>>>>>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>>>>>>>> (as made obvious by some of these posts). I've >>>>>>>>>> taught >>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the ME and would never go to SA (well, it would >>>> >>>>>>>>>> take a LOT more money and I would do a couple of >>>> >>>>> years >>>> >>>>>>>>>> and get the freak out). >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many DoDDS locations though are places you would >>>> >>>>>>>>>> actually want to live, travel and stay for many >>>>>>>>>> years >>>> >>>>>>>>>> (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan). I don't think >>>> >>>>> many >>>> >>>>>>>>>> people can honestly say that about SA. Let that be >>>> >>>>>>>>>> your main >>>> >>>>>>>>> decision >>>> >>>>>>>>>> maker not a few dollars either way. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, dollar strong wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dollar is strong now, so there is not more post >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> allowance. If dollar drops we will get it again. >>>>>>>>>>> THe >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> commissary and px are not really that >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive, >>>> >>>>> in >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fact, when I price compare >>>> >>>>>>>>>> with >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> COSTCO/Sams' Club in the states then the comm is >>>> >>>>> more >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> expensive. The commissary is only really >>>>>>>>>>> inexpensive >>>> >>>>>>>>> when >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they are trying to clear items out. Yes, there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gyms >>>> >>>>>>>>> - >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> they are not that special. Your average Gold's >>>>>>>>>>> Gym >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> better and ARAMCO has state of the art opps for >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as well. ARAMCO has beautiful homes on their >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> compounds too. The base salary in DODEA is much >>>> >>>>> lower >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> than in most states, but yes the housing >>>>>>>>>>> allowance >>>> >>>>> is >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> good. The problem with the salary and the housing >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> allowance is >>>> >>>>>>>>> that >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> there will come a day when dodds will say >>>> >>>>>>>>>> you >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> are overpaid and will take the money right out of >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> your salary/tax return/or bank account. ARAMCO >>>>>>>>>>> does >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> not do that nor do stateside school districts. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With dodds you still must pay fed and state taxes >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> with ARAMCO you are exempt from taxes! Yes - your >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> salary - >>>> >>>>>>>>> all >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of it - goes to YOU! The housing in ARAMCO was >>>>>>>>>>> built >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CAlifornia cooperation and is really lovely. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes there are some negs with ARAMCO, but there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> many positives. Oh yes, with aramco there are no >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> threats of downsizing/moving you somewhere else/ >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> getting rid of you. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, Money Money wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> According to this: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>> [link removed];

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haha No offense but if you have very little money left over with two of you teaching for DoDDS then you should seek financial counseling (or you must have a mortgage etc somewhere).

Even with credit card debt and student loans we are able to live very well, do some traveling and bank money every month.

If all you care about is money th...See MoreNo offense but if you have very little money left over with two of you teaching for DoDDS then you should seek financial counseling (or you must have a mortgage etc somewhere).

Even with credit card debt and student loans we are able to live very well, do some traveling and bank money every month.

If all you care about is money then by all means shoot for ARAMCO but be aware that it is apparently even harder to get into than DoDDS. As others have posted I enjoy the financial benefits that come with DoDDS but I am truly thankful that I do not have to live someplace like SA to make it (and that I LOVE where I live, not just find it bearable).

On 2/11/16, In DoDEA wrote: > As a teaching couple in DoDEA, my wife and I make about > $120,000/year plus housing. We work in a very > unsupported/unprofessional environment. There is no > opportunity to move anymore because transfers have been > severely cut. We don't have extra money left after bills to do > much travelling for our family of four. I have a family member > who teaches for ARAMCO. As a teaching couple, they make > $260,000/year and pay about $5000/year for housing. They work > in a very supported and professional environment, and they feel > very safe living in Saudi Arabia. Their family of four makes > enough to hire a full-time housekeeper and travel the world. > > > > On 5/10/15, People do obviously wrote: > >> The people at ARAMCO obviously like it as most stay for an > >> entire career! The leave with a hefty retirement! > >> > >> > >> > >> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: > >>> So fill yer boots! I prefer to live in places that I > >> would > >>> actually want to step foot in, even if they weren't > >>> throwing money at me. How many people can honestly say > >>> that about SA? > >>> > >>> On 5/10/15, financially speaking wrote: > >>>> ARAMCO is a way better deal. Free, large, substantial > >>>> housing in American style neighborhoods, free yearly > >>>> travel home, and best of all a larger salary than dodds > >>>> which is totally tax free! no state or fed! Many dodds > >>>> people pay state and fed. This is a huge savings. Med > >> and > >>>> dental are also quite generous and paid for in full. > >>>> Financially, ARAMCO is much better. > >>>> > >>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: > >>>>> Well, you need to be protected because you are > >>>>> surrounded by people that hate you and would like to do > >>>>> harm to you. And you go home every year because no one > >>>>> wants to stay there. Also, think about the fact that > >>>>> being able to go to Bahrain is considered a plus but > >>>>> Bahrain is considered a hardship location by DoDDS. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you (or whoever actually works there) are happy and > >>>>> well paid then I wish you the best of it. I'm sure some > >>>>> people would prefer a bit of extra money to live in SA. > >>>>> If so then I suppose ARAMCO is nice work if you can get > >>>>> it. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm happy to be in DoDDS, have job secruity and have > >>>>> opportunities to live and work in some of the best and > >>>>> most interesting places in the world and have one of > >> the > >>>>> best overall packages a teacher can be on. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/10/15, near to bahrain wrote: > >>>>>> ARAMCO is great, because it is right next to Bahrain. > >>>>>> Many people drive on over - holidays and weekends - to > >>>>>> go to the fantastic malls, American eateries, scuba, > >>>>>> surfing, golf, brunch at the Ritz and more. ARAMCO is > >> a > >>>>>> very cared for community and no there is slim chances > >>>>>> of being harmed. KSA really does protect American > >>>>>> workers. No chance either of being robbed or having > >>>>>> your car stolen - as in Italy and Spain. The pay just > >>>>>> amkes this deal sweet and yes you do get a free trip > >>>>>> home every summmer. There are also less teaching days > >>>>>> than in DOD and for prof dev you are sent to the > >> states > >>>>>> and not just fed the same lines from people who read > >>>>>> articles and now present to you as experts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/10/15, Money Money wrote: > >>>>>>> Don't forget that the odds of being blown up, shot or > >>>>>>> beheaded are also much higher in SA than the vast > >>>>>> majority > >>>>>>> of DoDDS locations (j/k. Sort of. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As for base salary being lower than most states, > >>>>>>> that's just false. You've obviously never taught in > >>>>>>> the South or some parts of NY. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why do you say there is no chance of ARAMCO getting > >>>>>>> rid > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>> you? More false information. In the wonderful world > >> of > >>>>>>> int'l teaching there are no labor law protections and > >>>>>>> you generally teach from contract to contract. If > >>>>>>> ARAMCO is > >>>>>> so > >>>>>>> elite than they will want you to perform, or else. > >>>>>>> Also, if you pay no taxes, you do not pay into S.S so > >>>>>>> you had better be investing that money. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> DoDDS is certainly not perfect and not for everyone > >>>>>>> (as made obvious by some of these posts). I've taught > >>>>>>> in the ME and would never go to SA (well, it would > >>>>>>> take a LOT more money and I would do a couple of > >> years > >>>>>>> and get the freak out). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Many DoDDS locations though are places you would > >>>>>>> actually want to live, travel and stay for many years > >>>>>>> (UK, Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan). I don't think > >> many > >>>>>>> people can honestly say that about SA. Let that be > >>>>>>> your main > >>>>>> decision > >>>>>>> maker not a few dollars either way. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 5/08/15, dollar strong wrote: > >>>>>>>> Dollar is strong now, so there is not more post > >>>>>>>> allowance. If dollar drops we will get it again. THe > >>>>>>>> commissary and px are not really that inexpensive, > >> in > >>>>>>>> fact, when I price compare > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> COSTCO/Sams' Club in the states then the comm is > >> more > >>>>>>>> expensive. The commissary is only really inexpensive > >>>>>> when > >>>>>>>> they are trying to clear items out. Yes, there are > >>>>>>>> gyms > >>>>>> - > >>>>>>>> they are not that special. Your average Gold's Gym > >> is > >>>>>>>> better and ARAMCO has state of the art opps for that > >>>>>>>> as well. ARAMCO has beautiful homes on their > >>>>>>>> compounds too. The base salary in DODEA is much > >> lower > >>>>>>>> than in most states, but yes the housing allowance > >> is > >>>>>>>> good. The problem with the salary and the housing > >>>>>>>> allowance is > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> there will come a day when dodds will say > >>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> are overpaid and will take the money right out of > >>>>>>>> your salary/tax return/or bank account. ARAMCO does > >>>>>>>> not do that nor do stateside school districts. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With dodds you still must pay fed and state taxes > >>>>>>>> with ARAMCO you are exempt from taxes! Yes - your > >>>>>>>> salary - > >>>>>> all > >>>>>>>> of it - goes to YOU! The housing in ARAMCO was built > >>>>>>>> by > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> CAlifornia cooperation and is really lovely. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes there are some negs with ARAMCO, but there are > >>>>>>>> many positives. Oh yes, with aramco there are no > >>>>>>>> threats of downsizing/moving you somewhere else/ or > >>>>>>>> getting rid of you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, Money Money wrote: > >>>>>>>>> According to this: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.dodea.edu/Offices/HR/salary/upload/SY201415_Over > >>>>>>>>> se asEduAdministratorsSalarySchedules.pdf > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> DoDDS offers a teacher with a Masters Degree and 8 > >>>>>> years > >>>>>>>>> exp. $59K in salary, $35K (approx. depending on > >>>>>>>>> location) in housing and another $300 (give or take > >>>>>>>>> $100) in post allowance, fully paid relocation with > >>>>>>>>> flights and 18000 lbs. of shipping, the opportunity > >>>>>>>>> to shop, workout, etc on base/post and many > >>>>>>>>> potential locations around the world and student > >>>>>>>>> loan > >>>>>> forgiveness. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> According to a leading recruiter's database ARAMCO > >>>>>>>>> offers a teacher with a Masters Degree and 8 years > >>>>>>>>> exp. $70K in salary, no information on housing > >>>>>>>>> allowance although I am sure it is more than > >>>>>>>>> sufficent, $3K for moving allowance and the > >>>>>>>>> opportunity to live in SA. A single teacher is > >>>>>>>>> estimated to be able to save around $30K of their > >>>>>>>>> earnings. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm biased towards DoDDS and I'm willing to admit > >>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> don't know all of the ins and outs of the salary > >>>>>> package > >>>>>>>>> at ARAMCO but it certainly doesn't sound like the > >>>>>>>>> millionaire maker for teachers that I had always > >>>>>>>>> heard it was. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If you are open/keen to SA and/or have an aversion > >>>>>>>>> to working with the US military then ARAMCO sounds > >>>>>>>>> like a good gig. Otherwise, DoDDS would be my vote. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, just wishing wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> this thread is taking an interesting turn. Can > >>>>>>>>>> anyone provide any serious salary comparisons > >>>>>>>>>> between the > >>>>>> two? > >>>>>>>>>> thanks > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 5/08/15, just wishing wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> OK - the Aramco conversation has me thinking. If > >>>>>> given > >>>>>>>>>>> the choice which would people choose and why? I > >> am > >>>>>>>>>>> leaning toward ARAMCO for the salary. Thoughts? >

Jun 8, 2016

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