I am 55 years old and used to be a teacher before I took a French degree and decided to become a tour guide, director, manager whatever. I sympathise with all of you out there who are having difficulties with your choice of company for European trips. Basically you get what you pay for. You might be offered incentives e.g. free trips, akin to airmiles if you book with certain companies. Explorica is basically the same as EF because someone took EF's ideas and set up their own company. EF and Explorica are companies who provide basic trips with hotels which are situated some way out of the centre of European capitals. Their hotels and meals are 1 or 2 star. Many of the companies pay their tour guides a basic wage which equates to about USD 80 a day and the tour directors (call them whatever you will) rely on their tips to make a decent daily wage. Although you might give your tour guide excellent ratings the companies will not give them a bonus to supplement their wages if you write in your reports that you will not be using them again.
Some companies tell their guides to take you to restaurants, photographers or companies where they will make extra money to supplement their incomes. Papa Gio has worked this out and I would follow his advice if I were you. I now work for a company which I am not going to name but is mentioned on this site where you are guaranteed a 3 or 4 star hotel with a decent breakfast and a decent dinner. I have had the most wonderful time over the past few weeks as a tour director. It is hard work but for me the reactions of your students from the US and Canada have made it worthwhile.
I am reading what everyone is saying about airline surcharges,and I used to be in that business. I am a French teacher now. 1. The student companies do not purchase the airline tickets until they have received the final balance for your trip, typically 90 days before departure. Although the airlines have blocked the seat for them and have required a deposit for each seat, the airline cannot and will not guarantee the final ticket price until the ticket is actually purchased. A ticket to France from SFO could be a certain price 6 months ago, but because of fluctuating gas prices could be higher or lower at the time of purchase. The smart travel company should predict that and charge more than what the actual price at the time of your quote (when you sign on). That way they are covering any loss or any last minute surcharge. A company that charges you just one month before is irresponsible because by now they have received all your money and should have bought the tickets as soon as you paid the final balance. 2. Each airline surcharge is different. I was shopping for myself for this summer to go to France from SFO and the different amount of surcharges from airline to airline was incredible. The least expensive airline is Air Canada: the base ticket was $1,068, and by the time taxes and fees were added the ticket was $1,131. United Airlines was one of the most expensive: the base ticket was $1,000 (so at first it looks like a good deal), but at the end the ticket price was $1,478!!! American Airlines was from $1,200 base to $1,700 final price!!! Air France was from $1,200 base to $1,500 final. In conclusion, when booking with a company, ask specific questions about which airline they will use and check the airline site for the surcharges. If the company tells you we don't know who we are going to use, that is not true! They have contracts with specific airlines and know exactly who they will use, especially huge established companies like EF. Also, their membership fee is a joke like EF, and others. It means nothing and just adds to their profit. Challenge it and they will back down and offer it as a discount, or tell them to put it towards the so-called surcharge.
To Mr. Whatever: First, Françoise is a feminine name, so I am Mrs. Boden. Second, I don't think you read my answer carefully enough. I agree that companies do not know on which airline they will put you on when you sign on, but they know who they have contracts with, so they can tell you for example, for Europe we use Air France, or British Airways, or whoever. So they already have an idea of what kind of fees they will encounter from those airlines and should include them in the whole price. That is why I was very happy with Prometour. They said that $150 for fees and surcharges was included in the price our our tour, and that we would be responsible for anything over $150. It was very clear and simple.
As for those other companies, once they get your final payment, they really should book the group and not wait until the last minute, and then give you surprise fees, unless they explicitely mention it when you sign on. Furthermore, talking about Prometour our final payment was in December,and we got our tickets on Air France in January for our March trip. I remember that with EF we did not get our tickets until 10 days before departure. Third, you say that the membership fee charged by most companies is charged to help cover losses in case of cancellation. I don't believe it's true as all companies have cancellation fees. So that membersip fee is bogus, or the companies should be upfront in explaining that it is a cancellation fee of some sort to protect them,and not make up this story about membership. Membership in what? > Actually Francoise the companies do not know who they will be > using until the very late stages. You are absolutely WRONG if > you think the companies do know. They may know what space they > have with which airlines, but do not know which group will be > on which airline until very late. So, actually you are wrong > when you say the companies do know what airlines each group > will be on. They have contracts with almost every airline, so > how could they know. As for the enrollment fee, your right > they really are only for the companies gain. However, they are > there because if someone signs up and then cancels when all > that effort was put in to get the trip started and to save > space in hotels and airlines the companies does not have to > take a complete hit. > > On 4/19/08, Papa Gio wrote: >> Thanks for the info. The point I was trying to make is that >> all of the travel companies tell you that your airfare is >> included in the program fee which is fixed; then they turn >> around and add the fuel adjustment at a later stage in the >> game. If the airfare is included in the program fee, then > any >> additional fuel adjustment costs should be adsorbed by the >> travel company and not the travler; n'est ce pas? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 4/19/08, Francoise Boden wrote: >>> I am reading what everyone is saying about airline >>> surcharges,and I used to be in that business. I am a French >>> teacher now. >>> 1. The student companies do not purchase the airline tickets >>> until they have received the final balance for your trip, >>> typically 90 days before departure. Although the airlines >>> have blocked the seat for them and have required a deposit >>> for each seat, the airline cannot and will not guarantee the >>> final ticket price until the ticket is actually purchased. A >>> ticket to France from SFO could be a certain price 6 months >>> ago, but because of fluctuating gas prices could be higher >>> or lower at the time of purchase. The smart travel company >>> should predict that and charge more than what the actual >>> price at the time of your quote (when you sign on). That way >>> they are covering any loss or any last minute surcharge. A >>> company that charges you just one month before is >>> irresponsible because by now they have received all your >>> money and should have bought the tickets as soon as you paid >>> the final balance. >>> 2. Each airline surcharge is different. I was shopping for >>> myself for this summer to go to France from SFO and the >>> different amount of surcharges from airline to airline was >>> incredible. The least expensive airline is Air Canada: the >>> base ticket was $1,068, and by the time taxes and fees were >>> added the ticket was $1,131. United Airlines was one of the >>> most expensive: the base ticket was $1,000 (so at first it >>> looks like a good deal), but at the end the ticket price was >>> $1,478!!! American Airlines was from $1,200 base to $1,700 >>> final price!!! Air France was from $1,200 base to $1,500 >> final. >>> In conclusion, when booking with a company, ask specific >>> questions about which airline they will use and check the >>> airline site for the surcharges. If the company tells you we >>> don't know who we are going to use, that is not true! They >>> have contracts with specific airlines and know exactly who >>> they will use, especially huge established companies like >>> EF. Also, their membership fee is a joke like EF, and >>> others. It means nothing and just adds to their profit. >>> Challenge it and they will back down and offer it as a >>> discount, or tell them to put it towards the so-called >>> surcharge.
As far as cancellation fees, companies cannot actually make people pay them. That is the truth. They tell people to, but if they dont nothing will happen to them. That is why the application fee is so important.
On 4/23/08, Francoise Boden wrote: > To Mr. Whatever: > First, Françoise is a feminine name, so I am Mrs. Boden. > Second, I don't think you read my answer carefully enough. I agree > that companies do not know on which airline they will put you on > when you sign on, but they know who they have contracts with, so > they can tell you for example, for Europe we use Air France, or > British Airways, or whoever. So they already have an idea of what > kind of fees they will encounter from those airlines and should > include them in the whole price. That is why I was very happy > with Prometour. They said that $150 for fees and surcharges was > included in the price our our tour, and that we would be > responsible for anything over $150. It was very clear and simple. > > As for those other companies, once they get your final payment, > they really should book the group and not wait until the last > minute, and then give you surprise fees, unless they explicitely > mention it when you sign on. Furthermore, talking about Prometour > our final payment was in December,and we got our tickets on Air > France in January for our March trip. I remember that with EF we > did not get our tickets until 10 days before departure. > Third, you say that the membership fee charged by most companies > is charged to help cover losses in case of cancellation. I don't > believe it's true as all companies have cancellation fees. So that > membersip fee is bogus, or the companies should be upfront in > explaining that it is a cancellation fee of some sort to protect > them,and not make up this story about membership. Membership in what? >> Actually Francoise the companies do not know who they will be >> using until the very late stages. You are absolutely WRONG if >> you think the companies do know. They may know what space they >> have with which airlines, but do not know which group will be >> on which airline until very late. So, actually you are wrong >> when you say the companies do know what airlines each group >> will be on. They have contracts with almost every airline, so >> how could they know. As for the enrollment fee, your right >> they really are only for the companies gain. However, they are >> there because if someone signs up and then cancels when all >> that effort was put in to get the trip started and to save >> space in hotels and airlines the companies does not have to >> take a complete hit. >> >> On 4/19/08, Papa Gio wrote: >>> Thanks for the info. The point I was trying to make is that >>> all of the travel companies tell you that your airfare is >>> included in the program fee which is fixed; then they turn >>> around and add the fuel adjustment at a later stage in the >>> game. If the airfare is included in the program fee, then >> any >>> additional fuel adjustment costs should be adsorbed by the >>> travel company and not the travler; n'est ce pas? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/19/08, Francoise Boden wrote: >>>> I am reading what everyone is saying about airline >>>> surcharges,and I used to be in that business. I am a French >>>> teacher now. >>>> 1. The student companies do not purchase the airline tickets >>>> until they have received the final balance for your trip, >>>> typically 90 days before departure. Although the airlines >>>> have blocked the seat for them and have required a deposit >>>> for each seat, the airline cannot and will not guarantee the >>>> final ticket price until the ticket is actually purchased. A >>>> ticket to France from SFO could be a certain price 6 months >>>> ago, but because of fluctuating gas prices could be higher >>>> or lower at the time of purchase. The smart travel company >>>> should predict that and charge more than what the actual >>>> price at the time of your quote (when you sign on). That way >>>> they are covering any loss or any last minute surcharge. A >>>> company that charges you just one month before is >>>> irresponsible because by now they have received all your >>>> money and should have bought the tickets as soon as you paid >>>> the final balance. >>>> 2. Each airline surcharge is different. I was shopping for >>>> myself for this summer to go to France from SFO and the >>>> different amount of surcharges from airline to airline was >>>> incredible. The least expensive airline is Air Canada: the >>>> base ticket was $1,068, and by the time taxes and fees were >>>> added the ticket was $1,131. United Airlines was one of the >>>> most expensive: the base ticket was $1,000 (so at first it >>>> looks like a good deal), but at the end the ticket price was >>>> $1,478!!! American Airlines was from $1,200 base to $1,700 >>>> final price!!! Air France was from $1,200 base to $1,500 >>> final. >>>> In conclusion, when booking with a company, ask specific >>>> questions about which airline they will use and check the >>>> airline site for the surcharges. If the company tells you we >>>> don't know who we are going to use, that is not true! They >>>> have contracts with specific airlines and know exactly who >>>> they will use, especially huge established companies like >>>> EF. Also, their membership fee is a joke like EF, and >>>> others. It means nothing and just adds to their profit. >>>> Challenge it and they will back down and offer it as a >>>> discount, or tell them to put it towards the so-called >>>> surcharge.
We are planning a spring break '09 trip to Madrid, Barcelona and Venice. We have been traveling with ACIS for the last 8 years but recently we have been disappointed with hotel locations.
We are considering both ACIS and NETC. I would like feedback from anyone who has made the switch and feedback on your experience.
Additionally, has anyone ever taken the ferry from Barcelona to Genoa? If yes, how were the waters? Rough or calm?
Companies are good, NETC has made great improvements in the last couple years, and they really do seem to care about the kid’s education.
I've traveled with both of them over the last 10 years. I've had groups ranging from in size from 10-30 students. ACIS did well on my china trip, but I’ve also had great hotels with NETC. The couple times I got smaller groups the hotels weren’t as good with ACIS. NETC seems to be more consistent, but I haven’t gone to China with them yet.
By the way what do you coach? Golf here.
Good luck
Scott.
On 5/05/08, Coach wrote: > We are planning a spring break '09 trip to Madrid, > Barcelona and Venice. We have been traveling with ACIS > for the last 8 years but recently we have been > disappointed with hotel locations. > > We are considering both ACIS and NETC. I would like > feedback from anyone who has made the switch and feedback > on your experience. > > Additionally, has anyone ever taken the ferry from > Barcelona to Genoa? If yes, how were the waters? Rough > or calm? > > Thanks for the info.
You all complain about EF Tours, but if it weren't for them our school could not afford to travel. We are in a very depressed region, and we fundraise %80 of our tour costs. I just got a quote for a Europe trip in 2009 from ACIS and it was $1000 more expensive for the exact same tour. That just doesn't make sense to me, because on our last EF Tour, we were in the same hotel as an ACIS group.
I have organized trips to Costa Rica for my 8th grade class for the past three years. For two years I worked directly with a Costa Rican tour company, but opted to use Explorica on year three, hoping that it would save me some time and stress on the planning front. Though the kids had an incredible time, I was less than impressed (and at times very disappointed) with the accommodations provided by Explorica, and by the lack of experience demonstrated by our tour guide.
For this coming year, I am planning another 8th grade trip, but to Mexico rather than Costa Rica. I have been investigating both NETC and ACIS, but am still torn between the two. ACIS seems to be much more expensive than NETC, but I have heard nothing but good things about the company. Is the difference in price (about $400 or possibly $500 per student!) worth it?
On 7/16/08, Greg Ellis wrote: > On 7/10/08, Keith wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've traveled with both companies and ACIS service is a lot >> better. NETC advertises the educational part, but is very >> limited in Costa Rica. ACIS also seems to work closer with >> you and they go out of the way to accommodate you. NETC says >> they do, but not really and they also have a lot of hidden >> fees. >> >> One of my coworkers told me the other day she saw an article >> on line that NETC was being sued for using illegal >> immigrants to work in their US office, the article also >> mentioned the owners were trying to sell the company because >> of this. I’m not surprised at this as I never trusted them. >> You can’t go wrong with ACIS. >> >> >> Keith H >> >> On 5/15/08, Alison wrote: >>> I have organized trips to Costa Rica for my 8th grade class >>> for the past three years. For two years I worked directly >>> with a Costa Rican tour company, but opted to use Explorica >>> on year three, hoping that it would save me some time and >>> stress on the planning front. Though the kids had an >>> incredible time, I was less than impressed (and at times >>> very disappointed) with the accommodations provided by >>> Explorica, and by the lack of experience demonstrated by >>> our tour guide. >>> >>> For this coming year, I am planning another 8th grade trip, >>> but to Mexico rather than Costa Rica. I have been >>> investigating both NETC and ACIS, but am still torn between >>> the two. ACIS seems to be much more expensive than NETC, >>> but I have heard nothing but good things about the company. >>> Is the difference in price (about $400 or possibly $500 per >>> student!) worth it? > > > > > I think you should check this company Mariden out > [link removed]
I’ve just noticed that the president of NETC has taken it upon himself (or one of his employees) to respond to any teacher postings that include NETC. I personally think this is very shady and despicable so I have included my post below. Be careful, big brother is watching.
I have to say I’m taken back and a little disgusted to see that a president of a company responding to a teachers (or not) comments. This site is for teachers to share information and it’s based on the honor system. The site is NOT for a “President” of any company especially ones who try and sell to teachers. As a president of NETC you would think you would be smart enough to respect the fact that this is a teacher site.
No, I will not share my e-mail address with you nor would I ever travel with NETC. You should try getting my business in a more professional way.
Carol Stone
I have to say I’m taken back and a little disgusted to see that a president of a company responding to a teachers (or not) comments. This site is for teachers to share information and it’s based on the honor system. The site is NOT for a “President” of any company especially ones who try and sell to teachers. As a president of NETC you would think you would be smart enough to respect the fact that this is a teacher site.
No, I will not share my e-mail address with you nor would I ever travel with NETC. You should try getting my business in a more professional way.
Carol Stone
On 7/22/08, Desmond Maguire wrote: > > The only teacher by this name who has led an NETC Tour did not > make this posting. I would recommend verifying the authenticity > of anyone posting messages on any site by requesting both their > name and school information and insisting on and verifying a > school e mail. This will help to ensure the validity and > integrity of teacher posting resources. If anyone has any > questions about this issue or about NETC’s leadership role in the > Educational Travel community, please feel free to contact me > directly at any time. > > Sincerely, > Desmond Maguire > President, NETC > [email removed]]
When will you all realise that if you book Explorica you get EF type hotels, restaurants, guides etc. EF was very upset when Explorica opened up because they were copied by tour directors who worked for them. Pay a little more money and get a three or four star service
Visit Fieldtripfactory.com it is a community based field trip. We take our Kindergarteners to Petco for a field trip. I have been using this site for several years. Take a look.
I just posted this as a reply to another thread, but this is something everyone involved with a student tour of any kind should know!!!
Some teachers rake in THOUSANDS in stipends on a per head basis from these companies for their work putting the trip together (stipend is built into the trip cost)...I have no problem with someone earning a free trip and perhaps a small stipend for their time and efort. But, often these RATS are raking in thousands of dollars PLUS their trip is free. They could not take as much and negotiate a lower price for the families that often struggle to pay for them...THESE PEOPLE ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF LIFE.
I know these things because I worked in the student travel business fro quite some time...I have seen stipends as high as $200.00 per head for a trip with 175 kids. YES....That rat got a $35,000 check while each of his students paid $200.00 more than they had to for the trip.
If anyone is reading this post that does this, you are a SCUMBAG, and may you rot in the deepest pit of hell!!!!!!
For the rest of you, especially parents...Speak to your school boards and your organizers...Make sure you are not being taken advantage of by those claiming to do you a service.
First, I think you have no idea what the term "fiduciary trust" means. There is, legally speaking, absolutely no "fiduciary trust" (in the sense that I have a legal obligation to provide the best financial outcome in a transaction or investment) involved in such arrangments. I'm an attorney, and I know what the phrase means. I suspect you do not and are just slinging it around as some epithet you picked up from a t.v. show.
Second, to claim that we are suffering a serious recession and massive bailouts, foreclosures, etc. because people are occasionally compensated for the hard work they do in putting together one of these tours is truly beyond asinine.
Wondering where K through 2nd grade teachers are going on field trips? Are there restrictions on where you can go? Are you allowed to go to Sesame Place? If so, what would stop you from going?
What could Sesame Place do to attract more field trips from PA schools?
To Mr. Whatever:
First, Françoise is a feminine name, so I am Mrs. Boden.
Second, I don't think you read my answer carefully enough. I agree
that companies do not know on which airline they will put you on
when you sign on, but they know who they have contracts with, so
they can tell you for example, for Eur...See More