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by subfrommobile

Jun 11, 2012

Hi again,

Does anyone know of any homeschooling agencies or private schools that are interested in hiring a new teacher? I live in the Mobile area, and I would really like to get a tutoring / private teaching business started, especially since it looks like it's going to be a bit difficult to find a permanent teaching position right now.

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another example On 6/13/12, example of "no teacher shortage" thread wrote: > >> On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: > >> >> Why aren't there whole threads about a >>> surplus of teachers in Alabama, > > Not in Alabama but all the states are basically the same.... > > [link removed]

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Jun 13, 2012

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subfrommobile On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: > On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >> If that's really the case, why are you the only one who >> has been answering my >> questions? > > Maybe nobody else gives a ****.

Why wouldn't this board be filled with comments from discouraged Education graduates?

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don't get it On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: > On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: >> On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >>> If that's really the case, why are you the only one who >>> has been answering my >>> questions? >> >> Maybe nobody else gives a ****. > > Why wouldn't this board be filled with comments fr...See More

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subfrommobile Mods, would you please delete this whole thread? I think I've been talking to a troll.

On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: > On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >> On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: >>> On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >>>> If that's really the case, why are you the only one who >>>> has be...See MoreMods, would you please delete this whole thread? I think I've been talking to a troll.

On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: > On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >> On 6/13/12, don't get it wrote: >>> On 6/13/12, subfrommobile wrote: >>>> If that's really the case, why are you the only one who >>>> has been answering my >>>> questions? >>> >>> Maybe nobody else gives a ****. >> >> Why wouldn't this board be filled with comments from discouraged >> Education graduates? > > I do read a lot of posts by discouraged education graduates who > can't get jobs. > >> >>> >>> Why aren't there whole threads about a >>>> surplus of teachers in Alabama, >>> >>> If you search back far enough, you'll probably find that >>> there are threads. I have seen many such threads on T-net. >>> Input, "shortage," into the search engine on the corner of >>> the page and you will find lots of such threads full of >>> really angry teacher wannabes. >> >> I won't argue with you here. I have read about many teacher- >> hopefuls who, for whatever reason, can't find jobs. It's usually >> not in places like this, though. > > This board is more dominated by people who have teaching jobs plus > one parent who hates teachers because her kid isn't normal. > Overall, people who have not found teaching jobs don't get much > sympathy here. If anything, they are insulted because the employed > teachers usually feel superior to them. So those who can't get a > job probably don't get much out of posting here and probably > mainly don't bother. > >> >>> and, if that's the >>>> case, how did my classmates manage to find jobs in >>>> fields that are even less in demand than my field? >>> >>> All of your classmates? Well, that surprises me. All of my >>> classmates didn't find jobs. One of my friends subbed for >>> years trying and finally ended up moving several states >>> away from her husband and children in order to get a >>> teaching job. >>> >>> Some >>>> have landed positions in art, music, or PE teaching; >>>> those are harder to come by than core subjects, I >>>> think. >>> >>> "Some" are always going to get a job. >> >> The former classmates that I've met have found work in Education >> in some capacity, if I'm not mistaken, even the ones who majored >> in fields that are not in high demand. > > Maybe the ones you have run into are not a representative sampling. > And what do you mean by in some capacity? > >> >>>> Also, if everything you say is true, why don't the new >>>> graduates who haven't found jobs yet protest the >>>> backward system that doesn't allow them to use their >>>> degrees? >>> >>> Protest to whom? Nobody cares. >> >> If teaching is a saturated market, there are probably many more >> so-called saturated markets in other occupations as well. This >> is major problem, and I'm pretty sure that recent college grads >> who finished only to enter such saturated markets, and their >> parents, certainly do care, and if enough of a commotion were >> made, someone would definitely notice. > > Yes, there are a ton of saturated markets. Haven't you heard about > the college grads who can't get professional jobs and are living > at home still and flipping burgers or jobless. This is being > called the lost generation. > > There is nobody to make a commotion to. Even if they did make a > commotion, it would get them nothing. The occupy movement was > actually partly sparked by that. It was a pretty huge movement > across the nation. Did it get them anything? What changed in > America because a bunch of nobodies protested? > > Who would care if a bunch of jobless people protest? The jobless > protest in South Africa all the time. What does it change? > Nothing. > > Look. The overall opinion of people without jobs or without the > jobs they want is that they are losers and they have done or are > doing something wrong. Mostly, even people's own parents think > that about them. You think anybody cares if a bunch of losers can't > get jobs. > >> >>> We don't have endless amounts of money to >>>> spend changing our projected career path over and over >>>> again. Earning a college degree sometimes takes >>>> thousands of dollars in student loans, loans that, >>>> assuming we don't have decent paying jobs yet, are >>>> getting harder and harder to repay! >>> >>> Again, nobody cares. You are the one with the problem. >>> Banks are getting rich off students like you. When you >>> can't make your student loan payments,they get even >>> richer. >> >> No, it might end up like the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack >> crisis, if enough people get into this mess. I don't think the >> banks are going to ultimately profit from this, especially if we >> can't pay it back. > > The banks did profit. It doesn't matter if we pay them back. The > government bailed them out in full and will do it again. So the > banks don't care how many people get into a mess. They actually > make more money when people don't pay off their student loans than > when people do. > > The banks are raking in money. The bank presidents got bonuses and > higher salaries. They didn't get hurt in the financial mess they > caused. So why should they care. The government has made it clear > they will always be bailed out. > >> >>>> They create a teacher "shortage" supposedly, >>>> and class sizes get larger and larger, resulting in all >>>> sorts of problems, yet they're too stingy to hire and >>>> train new teachers who could take a little of the >>>> burden off of the veterans and make the classrooms >>>> hospitable again. Is that the jist of it? >>> >>> Sure is. Why should they pay for your training when there >>> are tens of thousands of people just like you so desperate >>> to become teachers that you happily take out student loans >>> to chase your dream. >> >> If the schools never train anyone, they will never get anyone of >> quality. Teaching well takes experience. > > But the schools are training people. Teacher candidates are happily > paying for the training. Besides which, what makes you think that > the people in power really care if quality teachers are available > for the public schools. Do you think people in power's children go > to public schools? Do Obama's children go to public schools? How > many rich and powerful people have their children in public > school? Those people will always have quality teachers for their > kids. Why do you think they care at all what sort of teachers poor > and middle class kids have? > > News flash. They don't care. All those poor and middle class kids > are competition in college and the job market with their own > children. The rich and powerful actually have a disincentive to > educate poor and middle class children. > >> >>> That makes no >>>> sense at all, >>> >>> It does make sense if you realize they don't care about >>> you. >> >> Do they care about their students? Have you seen the condition >> some of these schools are in? > > Yes, I have seen it. I have worked in it. They don't care. Why > should they. Their kids don't go there. > >> >>> and, if that's what's going on, we need >>>> to do something; >>> >>> Do what? Nobody cares. >> >> I think if you count the parents of the students who are getting >> abysmal educations because of large class sizes and a "shortage" >> of qualified teachers (which doesn't really exist), the students >> who are going to college for basically a piece of paper and are >> going to have to either stay in school or default on their >> loans, and the parents, teachers, and members of the community >> who supported them, you will definitely find that a lot of >> people care. > > Those people might care but they are too ignorant to understand who > is to blame. They have had the wool pulled over their eyes so they > are too confused and misled to know the real causes. > >> >>> we need to call the state capitol and >>>> demand that they start creating more teaching >>>> positions >>> >>> They don't care. Call them. The people who answer the phone >>> will give you a polite and insincere, "I'm sorry for your >>> situation." And that is all you will get. >> >> That's assuming there are only a few voices. If that's the case, >> then this isn't a very big problem, and there's no reason to be >> concerned, but, if it is really a problem, eventually they will >> have to do something, because, likely, many will be complaining. > > Why should they care about complaints? What they care about is > campaign donations. Teachers don't fund most of their campaigns. > Rich people, banks, insurance companies, and lobbies (farm lobby, > etc.) fund their campaigns. > > They also care about votes but they won't lose those because people > without jobs don't usually hold individual elected officials > personally responsible for that. Voters usually blame an entire > party. So liberal voters who can't get jobs blame the evil > Republicans and conservative voters who can't get jobs blame the > evil Democrats. See how that works? They have everybody really > conned. >>> , put a cap on the class sizes >>> >>> That has already been done in many states in the last >>> decade. But, really, you want them to make class sizes so >>> small that excess teacher wannabes are guaranteed jobs? >> I >>> don't even agree with doing that. Teaching isn't a jobs >>> corps program like the CCC. >>> >> >> No, pay attention. Does it make sense to have 40+ children in a >> classroom? Divide that by 2, and you would have 20+ children in >> a classroom; that's a much more manageable number. Now, assuming >> every classroom has 40+ children now, if this number were cut in >> half, schools would have to hire several more teachers, which >> would equal more jobs. > > I don't personally agree with you on this. I prefer teaching large > classes. I much prefer a class of 40 than a class of 15. But I > grew up in very large classes so I guess it might be that it seems > like a normal classroom to me. > > Now you pay attention. What difference does 20 make versus 40 > unless a teacher has poor classroom management skills. > > I also don't agree with you that it should be the goal of schools > to hire more teachers. Teaching is not a jobs program, it is to > teach students not provide jobs for adults. > >> >>> , and require >>>> that schools train more teachers. >>> >>> Not understanding this. You want even more teachers to >>> compete against for jobs? >> >> I said that the schools, not the universities, should hire >> qualified teachers who have already graduated and train them to >> fill the vacancies that would be created if schools cut class >> sizes of 40+ students in half. >> >> Feel free to answer me, but if you aren't some troll, I would >> like some background information. Are you involved in Education? >> Which part of Alabama are you from? Why have you decided to be >> so negative? If you want to provide help, suggest something of >> benefit. > > I am not giving you personal information. Sorry. If you have read > this board for a long time then you should understand there are > people here who stalk other people and keep notes on personal > information that people reveal and compile that information. > > I suggested something of benefit on this board every time I warn a > teacher wanna be to choose a different career path. It is like if > I tell a person not to begin smoking. If they ignore me, smoke > anyway, then get cancer later, am I unhelpful because I tell them > there is nothing I can do for them? I tried to help when I told > them not to smoke cigarettes. There is nothing I can do for them > when they ignore that advice and make a decision that can't be > undone. > > Teaching is a glutted field. Even if someone is one of the people > who ends up with a teaching job, in many cases they will find that > it is an unstable career (now not in the past) with poor pay and > horrible working conditions. I tell people that. They do it > anyway. What can I do to change the position they find themselves > in? > > A few lucky people get a job in a good school district with good > working conditions. That is increasingly a smaller proportion of > teaching jobs. That is reality. If you want to see the future of > teaching, read the Florida board. The Florida evaluation scheme, > which will probably be a model for all states with a lot of > minority students, should scare you. Its aim is to make teaching a > short term career so that teachers are expendable and cheap. > > What good advice can I give you? Find a new career. Go back to > school. Become a plumber or x-ray technician. Work for the post > office or UPS. What can I say? >

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