---Ha... teachers at my school told their own kids the same. It's sad ....I'm sure this doctor would be more than happy to pay if his kids follow his footsteps into medicine.
But it doesn't matter as the education schools are filled with eager young who think they can do what we seasoned teachers couldn't
I don't blame them for going into education thinking that way. However, what they don't know is that they won't have much control over how they do things once they start teaching. That is ESPECIALLY true if they start teaching in an urban school environment. They have all of these dreams, and then they're told "you can't do that, you have to do it this way."
Im just tired. FCAT scores came in yesterday and another teacher bashing seasoning took place. I work in a title one middle school and I give my all to those kids. The behavior is out of control, no resources and essentially no help. Its been like this for years. Can anyone help? Is anyone experiencing the same thing?
> Im just tired. FCAT scores came in yesterday and another
> teacher bashing seasoning took place. I work in a title one
> middle school and I give my all to those kids. The behavior
> is out of control, no resources and essentially no help. Its
> been like this for years. Can anyone help? Is anyone
> experiencing the same thing?
I know how you feel. No matter what the test scores say, unless they are 100%, which they never will be, teachers get bashed. Teachers are held to an impossible standard of leading horses to water and making them drink.
At least you still have summers off! That's the last good thing left. So enjoy yours, and don't think about the little monsters, or the big monsters, until August.
On 6/21/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: > May I ask what county you're in? I haven't found any with any bog pay > increases... > > On 6/20/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >> Any areas you recommend? We'd like a medium-sized town, close to >> nature activities. >> >> On 6/20/13, Susan wrote: >>> I moved from FL to GA in 2007. I went from an Assistant >>> Principal job to a teaching job and still had an increase in >>> salary of abotu $15,000 per year. My housing dollar also went >>> MUCH further. >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/13, CC wrote: >>>> Memphis is where I am right now. A good amount of jobs >>>> depending on what you all teach. The cost of living is >>>> extremely low considering teaching salary starts off at >>>> 42-45000. Can be difficult in some schools but definitely not >>>> all. Overall decent place to live and tons of stuff to do. Not >>>> sure if you are partial to AR for some reason but it's right >>>> over the bridge from Memphis and GA is not far either. AR does >>>> pay a bit less though so you may find yourself in the same >>>> situation. Hope this helps a little. >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >>>>> My spouse and I can barely make ends meet. We both teach. >>>>> Cost of living too high. Approaching 8th year here. Where >>>>> to move? >>>>> >>>>> Georgia? Arkansas?
JulletteOn 8/21/13, Susan wrote: > Sure! I went from Alachua County in Florida to Gwinnett County in > Georgia. It is a district in the suburbs north of Atlanta. > > > On 6/21/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >> May I ask what county you're in? I haven't found any with any bog pay >> increases... >> >> On 6/20/13, Half-ba...See MoreOn 8/21/13, Susan wrote: > Sure! I went from Alachua County in Florida to Gwinnett County in > Georgia. It is a district in the suburbs north of Atlanta. > > > On 6/21/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >> May I ask what county you're in? I haven't found any with any bog pay >> increases... >> >> On 6/20/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >>> Any areas you recommend? We'd like a medium-sized town, close to >>> nature activities. >>> >>> On 6/20/13, Susan wrote: >>>> I moved from FL to GA in 2007. I went from an Assistant >>>> Principal job to a teaching job and still had an increase in >>>> salary of abotu $15,000 per year. My housing dollar also went >>>> MUCH further. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, CC wrote: >>>>> Memphis is where I am right now. A good amount of jobs >>>>> depending on what you all teach. The cost of living is >>>>> extremely low considering teaching salary starts off at >>>>> 42-45000. Can be difficult in some schools but definitely not >>>>> all. Overall decent place to live and tons of stuff to do. Not >>>>> sure if you are partial to AR for some reason but it's right >>>>> over the bridge from Memphis and GA is not far either. AR does >>>>> pay a bit less though so you may find yourself in the same >>>>> situation. Hope this helps a little. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/10/13, Half-back Hopeful wrote: >>>>>> My spouse and I can barely make ends meet. We both teach. >>>>>> Cost of living too high. Approaching 8th year here. Where >>>>>> to move? >>>>>> >>>>>> Georgia? Arkansas? ____________________________________ Teacher surplus everywhere. You might consider Colorado. They have good school and its a progressive place to live unlike Florida which is regressive at best
Hi, I live in Lake and am also applying for jobs here. I used to teach elementary here before taking time off to have kids of my own. I have applied for so many jobs and only have one interview so far. My advice to you is to be pro-active and contact the Principals via e-mail and dropping off your resume, etc. Chat up the school secretaries and get your face out there. Don't just apply on-line and wait. Call to follow up as well. I would say that at least have a chance in Lake because the pay here is the lowest of all the surrounding counties and there seems to be a lot of hiring every year around this time, and even into late July. Lake will also have positions open into the Fall whereas others districts don't seem to do that. Maybe there is a better chance of getting something later into the summer or even after the school year starts.
I would keep applying at least through December and if you don't get something by then, it might be time to evaluate your plan. Good Luck!
Wannabe TeaccherHi, I live in Lake and am also applying for jobs here. I used > to teach elementary here before taking time off to have kids > of my own. I have applied for so many jobs and only have one > interview so far. My advice to you is to be pro-active and > contact the Principals via e-mail and dropping off your > resume, etc. Chat up the s...See MoreHi, I live in Lake and am also applying for jobs here. I used > to teach elementary here before taking time off to have kids > of my own. I have applied for so many jobs and only have one > interview so far. My advice to you is to be pro-active and > contact the Principals via e-mail and dropping off your > resume, etc. Chat up the school secretaries and get your face > out there. Don't just apply on-line and wait. Call to follow > up as well. I would say that at least have a chance in Lake > because the pay here is the lowest of all the surrounding > counties and there seems to be a lot of hiring every year > around this time, and even into late July. Lake will also have > positions open into the Fall whereas others districts don't > seem to do that. Maybe there is a better chance of getting > something later into the summer or even after the school year > starts. > > I would keep applying at least through December and if you > don't get something by then, it might be time to evaluate your > plan. Good Luck!
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I've done the things you suggested (emailed principals directly and made contact with shcools), so at least I'm on the right track. A friend of mine who became a teacher last year said that she was offered the job the Wednesday before pre-planning began. On one hand, I'm glad there's still hope, but, on the other, I'm struggling with the idea of not giving my current coworkers more than a few days' notice when I leave. My boss knows I'm thinking about it and is very supportive, but that may change if I have to tell her on a Wednesday that Friday is my last day! Best of luck to you!
That argument was true last year, when Imagine had the worst FCAT scores of any public school. But charter officials, who originally fought the attempt to close Imagine, argued that their students were improving. They said if Imagine closed many of their students would be zoned for similarly struggling neighborhood schools.
This news will not reach Jeb Bush and his pals as they don't read bad news about Charter Schools.
> Well, it looks like the magic is coming off the "Charter
> School Brave New World" Imagine is part of a national chain
> that supporters think is an answer from God...they must
> have pixie dust that makes children learn! magine Charter
> School in St. Petersburg agreed to close its elementary
> school after years of poor academic performance. Two
> separate superintendents had pushed the School Board to
> close Imagine, saying it was performing worse than any
> other school in Pinellas County.
>
> That argument was true last year, when Imagine had the
> worst FCAT scores of any public school. But charter
> officials, who originally fought the attempt to close
> Imagine, argued that their students were improving. They
> said if Imagine closed many of their students would be
> zoned for similarly struggling neighborhood schools.
>
> This news will not reach Jeb Bush and his pals as they
>don't read bad news about Charter Schools.
And an Imagine school in North Port (Sarasota County) is in a legal battle to become independent from the chain. The school wanted to be independent so it could spend money on the children, instead of paying Imagine administrative fees. Imagine claims the school slandered the Imagine name. Now Sarasota County gets to pay for lawyers to fight Imagine. What a wonderful use of taxpayer dollars at a time where budgets are being slashed. I'm so happy we have money for lawyers. At least someone around here has work to do!
we're headed in the same direction Florida has gone, here in North Carolina, thanks to some "initiatives" established by our legislature. And yes, you're right, the children of our state will be the losers in the end. Corporations are interested, mainly, in ONE thing - profit. Children will hardly be their focus or priority.... > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/28/13, anon wrote: > >> Yes, Gates is. He's a robber baron. There are lots and > lots of > >> these now, and they are dictating education policy and have > >> bought off our politicians, including and especially Barack > >> Obama. > >> > >> Gates and Broad are the puppetmasters of national education > >> policy. > >> > >> > >> On 7/28/13, PBX wrote: > >>> True and I agree. > >>> > >>> Slavery was thrust upon this country since its beginnings > >>> until 1863 (officially). Now the powers that be are trying > >>> it again, except this time they are using a more methodical > >>> and slower approach. I'm sure you have thought of this > >>> notion that if the masses are placed in low paying > >>> (corporate) jobs, will these same workers be able to > >>> purchase what they produce? The rich and elite cannot buy > >>> everything and therefore keep all of their buddies > >>> companies profitable. This same issue has been occurring > >>> through time and this is a cycle of history repeating > >>> itself. Have we really learned anything from the past? Look > >>> at Carnegie and Rockefeller. Those guys were ruthless. Is > >>> Gates a modern day Carnegie or Rockefeller? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/28/13, anon wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tell that to Gates and company. They are putting in > >>> > >>>> CCSS, much of which is > >>> > >>>> developmentally inappropriate for the particular grade > >>> > >>>> level because they want to track kids as early as > >>> > >>>> pre-school into poorly-paid employment and limit upward > >>> > >>>> mobility by cutting off higher education to the masses > >>> > >>>> ("higher education" is high school and > >>> > >>>> above). > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> This is the neoliberal script in action. They believe > >>> > >>>> education is a waste of money because most adults won't > >>> > >>>> be working in any jobs requiring anything beyond middle > >>> > >>>> school, and therefore spending money on teachers is a > >>> > >>>> waste of money as well. > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> Outfits like the World Bank have said as much. This > >>> > >>>> attitude is coming to the U.S., and it is killing this > >>> > >>>> country. > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> On 7/27/13, PBX wrote: > >>> > >>>>> In reality, you are not slotted for life, but are > >>> > >>>>> prepared for a running start. One can always return > >>> > >>>>> to school for further training. You are also entitled > >>> > >>>>> to your opinion as well. I do not believe the job > >>> > >>>>> training or college prep system to be horrible, but > >>> > >>>>> as an opportunity or to gain a sense of direction (of > >>> > >>>>> sorts). In this country, we need to look at other > >>> > >>>>> options that will give a better return on investment. > >>> > >>>>> A final point is that the average "Joe" > >>> > >>>>> better recognize that education provides a path to > >>> > >>>>> opportunity, and to appreciate and take advantage of > >>> > >>>>> this opportunity before it is eliminated as we know > >>> > >>>>> it. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>> On 7/26/13, anon wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Being slotted into a job for the rest of one's life > >>> > >>>>>> at the age of 14 is > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> an outrage. Sorry, it is. I am glad it would never > >>> > >>>>>> fly here in this > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> country, which is founded on equality of > >>> > >>>>>> opportunity which includes > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> higher education. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> That is a caste system and it is horrible. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Gates and company are trying that crap > >>> > >>>>>> here--college for the rich, low- > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> wage destitution for everybody else. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>> On 7/26/13, pw wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> I taught in Amsterdam, Holland and by 14 students > >>> > >>>>>>> need to make a > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> career decision and then they are put in a school > >>> > >>>>>>> that teaches that > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> skill by the time they are 17 they are ready to > >>> > >>>>>>> work. That would > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> never happen in the US as this is the most > >>> > >>>>>>> conservative nation in > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> the western world and mostly we decide to > >>> > >>>>>>> maintain the status quo. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> The Amsterdam program would be great in the inner > >>> > >>>>>>> city but it never > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> going to happen > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>> On 7/26/13, PBX wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> On one hand, you are absolutely right. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> On the other, there are so many unmotivated, > >>> > >>>>>>>> lazy, apathetic, > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> entitled students (and their parents) who do > >>> > >>>>>>>> not see education as > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> a privilege, but rather than as a right. They > >>> > >>>>>>>> have no sense of > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> appreciation of the opportunity being put > >>> > >>>>>>>> before them at taxpayer > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> expense. I say let students drop out after > >>> > >>>>>>>> eighth grade, opt for > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> vocational training or college prep. But > >>> > >>>>>>>> forcing students to be > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> at school is not working. Think of the money > >>> > >>>>>>>> that could be saved > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> if this were implemented. Students would > >>> > >>>>>>>> quickly figure out that > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> it is no longer play time. We, as a nation, > >>> > >>>>>>>> have to quickly > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> decide how to prepare our youth to function in > >>> > >>>>>>>> job market. The > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> system that is currently in place is antiquated > >>> > >>>>>>>> and obsolete. So > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> it is not necessarily the dream of the > >>> > >>>>>>>> neoliberals, but also the > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> typical American citizen who takes education as > >>> > >>>>>>>> an entitlement, > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> and not as a privilege. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> On 6/15/13, anon wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> It'll be worse than that: Nobody other than > >>> > >>>>>>>>> the kids of the > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> rich will be allowed ANY education beyond > >>> > >>>>>>>>> middle school. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> This has been the dream of the neoliberals, > >>> > >>>>>>>>> who regard > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> education as nothing but job training and > >>> > >>>>>>>>> largely a waste of > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> money. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> It needs to be fought tooth and nail. Our > >>> > >>>>>>>>> very society is at > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> risk. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>> On 6/15/13, Joanne wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> Today you see the strong efforts to > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> privatize education so > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> public schools will become dead. They will > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> lower standards > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> to a GED OR HS DIPLOMA as fewer and fewer > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> people will go > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> into teaching from Universities. Jeb Bush > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> had a program of > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> Troops to Teachers...a college degree was > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> not required. My > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> sister says that Gov Perry has reduced > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> standards to GED or > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> HS in Texas Charter Schools. No teacher > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> today should let > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> their daughter or son major in Education > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> anymore. They > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> should be made to change their major with > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> the new school > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>>> year. > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>> >
Once again, while we teachers work like H*ll all year long to prepare our 'darlings' for the FCAT and EOC exams, we are forced to wait for our school grades and evaluations. At this rate, we won't know anything until Christmas break.
> Once again, while we teachers work like H*ll all year long
> to prepare our 'darlings' for the FCAT and EOC exams, we
> are forced to wait for our school grades and evaluations.
> At this rate, we won't know anything until Christmas
> break.
Perhaps we should have merit pay for the testing companies based on how quickly they return the scores. Or AYP: each year they have to do it earlier and earlier until they hit an impossible deadline, then we fire them.
Oh wait, only teachers can be held responsible for anything. I forgot. D'OH!
On 7/27/13, PBX wrote: > As long as school systems can be sued and people are in fear of their > positions, there will be more Rachel Jeantel's produced by the system. > She should have never been allowed to graduate from high school > (providing that she did). That is one of the major problems of public > education today. If they (the students) want to quit after eight grade, > let them. Most of them do not appreciate it anyway. There is your cheap > labor force. You can't read (cursive), you don't graduate - it is that > simple. You quit school, you get a job (if you can) and no government > assistance. > > > > On 7/26/13, elective wrote: > >> On 7/26/13, Debbie-FL is not teacher friendly ! wrote: > >> > >>> Right now, the FL legislature blames every societal ill on > >>> teachers. I wouldn't be surprised to see teachers blamed for the > >>> results of the Trayvon Martin verdict! > >>> > >> > >> > >> TOO LATE, sort of. "Reform"-mined people have already used the > >> behavior and speech patterns during the testimony by Rachel Jeantel > >> l, an "ear"witness (on the phone with Trayvon immediately before > >> the incident) to bash public schools. >