So Mainer thoughts are the final word on this? I doubt it, Mainer, not all teachers in Maine agree with your logic. I have papers to grade and a teaching career so my time is limited in exchanges. You must have more time than the average teacher. I give credit to those that are taking issue with your rantings though because you are the minority. Stop putting yourself and your politics first & start thinking about the CHILDREN!!!
On 3/09/03, You probably wont post this, but somebody I hope will read this. Lets stop for a moment the name calling, and lets be civil to eacher other and look at this from the very beginning:
1. The NG colonel went on the O'Reilly show and exposed the inflammatory story about the "alleged " harassment of the military kids. He started the whole ball rolling.
2. People, and especially people in the military and retired military and as well as civilian people were outraged and felt for these children, and therefore expressed their anger. Keep in mind if this had been kids of "gay" parents or "African-American" parents I don't think I have to draw you a picture of all the riots and protests this would've caused, and rightfully so. The military kids deserve the same support.
3. People expressed their anger on your Teachers Website. Granted, its your website, but on this very website were close to 90% postings at that time posted by people supporting the military kids. Now on this very same website with all the postings of the military kids somebody sounding like a teacher makes the remarks with "IT WILL BE NICE WHEN WE CAN DISCUSS EDUCATION HERE AGAIN" by "INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THESE MORONS SPOUTING OFF CONSTANTLY". You have at least one more website that I know of (I've seen it) where teachers strictly discuss academic class room stuff with each other. The above inflammatory comment was not made on that website, but on the website where all the supporters e- mailed to. If this really was meant for all the teachers, and if like one teacher replied "you didn't see the whole strory, you're the moron" well hellooo then don't just print these two inflammatory sentences.
4. I can see the prejudice toward the military from some of the teachers postings, and with not coming out to the public, and letting the public know what "really" happened makes you all look more guilty. Sure there are always people who still would not believe you, but trust me it would die down a lot quicker than this. Don't you see that you all make yourself look guilty by not coming out? The kids are already involved. If the children "misunderstood" then explain, you don't have to give the childs identity.
5. It must've been serious enough for the colonel to come on the O'Reilly show, and if this was all a "misunderstanding" then I suggest the colonel go on the O'Reilly show again, and publically announce that he made a mistake. FOX and the Factor are "fair and balanced", and people would understand and forgive if this was a huge mistake and misunderstanding. Sure, you still would've some doubters, but it would die down a lot sooner.
Instructor Placed on Leave Over Letters By Rebecca Trounson Times Staff Writer
March 8, 2003
A speech instructor at Citrus College has been placed on administrative leave after students complained that she told them they could earn extra credit by writing to President Bush to protest a possible war with Iraq, a college official said Friday.
Rosalyn Kahn, a part-time instructor at the two-year college in Glendora, told students in January that they would not receive extra credit if they used their letters to express other political views, including support for the war, said Samuel T. Lee, associate dean for language arts and foreign languages at the college.
In a separate extra-credit assignment, Kahn also asked her students to write to their state Senate representatives, discussing the state's budget crisis and cuts that have been proposed for community colleges. In particular, Lee said, Kahn asked her students to "protest the cuts on the grounds that adjunct faculty would lose their jobs and students would suffer." Kahn is an adjunct faculty member.
Late Friday, Lee said Kahn, who is in her first semester at Citrus, has been placed on paid administrative leave beginning next week. He said another instructor will take over her classes while administrators investigate the allegations.
"Obviously, from everything we can tell at this point, this was not appropriate," Lee said. "Teachers and students should be free to express their political views in an atmosphere of respect and tolerance. But where students are beholden to the views of the instructor, we need to be especially careful."
Kahn declined to comment Friday night, other than to describe the allegations as "100% lies."
Lee said that several students in Kahn's Speech 106 course approached him on Feb. 27 with concerns about the assignments and that after meeting with Kahn, he visited the class on Thursday. The students confirmed the specifics of the assignments, Lee said, and told him "they all understood that if they did not write a protest letter [to Bush], they would not receive credit."
Lee said he apologized on behalf of the college, and he assured the students that they would be allowed to complete alternative assignments expressing their own beliefs on the issues. The college also is sending letters of apology to Bush and to state Sen. Jack Scott (D- Altadena) explaining the circumstances, Lee said.
He said Kahn apparently collected the letters for Scott and told students she would deliver them to the senator herself at a political event.
Chris Stevens, a first-year student who was among those who complained, said he "wrote the letter to Bush but asked her not to mail it because it wasn't my political viewpoint. She refused, so I didn't turn it in and couldn't get credit."
Stevens, 20, said Kahn also asked students to sign postcards that were not addressed to anyone but "talked about how essential part-time instructors are."
The college's decision to place Kahn on leave followed a letter to administrators from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a Philadelphia-based civil rights group. Kahn's students had written to the group to request its intervention, said Thor Halvorssen, the group's executive director.
This story was actually on our local news tonight. I can't get over that the teacher thought this was an acceptable assignment. Unbelievable
On 3/10/03, Jackalope wrote: > From the LOS ANGELES TIMES > > Instructor Placed on Leave Over Letters > By Rebecca Trounson > Times Staff Writer > > March 8, 2003 > > A speech instructor at Citrus College has been placed on > administrative leave after students complained that she > told them they could earn extra credit by writing to > President Bush to protest a possible war with Iraq, a > college official said Friday. > > Rosalyn Kahn, a part-time instructor at the two-year > college in Glendora, told students in January that they > would not receive extra credit if they used their letters > to express other political views, including support for > the war, said Samuel T. Lee, associate dean for language > arts and foreign languages at the college. > > In a separate extra-credit assignment, Kahn also asked her > students to write to their state Senate representatives, > discussing the state's budget crisis and cuts that have > been proposed for community colleges. In particular, Lee > said, Kahn asked her students to "protest the cuts on the > grounds that adjunct faculty would lose their jobs and > students would suffer." Kahn is an adjunct faculty member. > > Late Friday, Lee said Kahn, who is in her first semester > at Citrus, has been placed on paid administrative leave > beginning next week. He said another instructor will take > over her classes while administrators investigate the > allegations. > > "Obviously, from everything we can tell at this point, > this was not appropriate," Lee said. "Teachers and > students should be free to express their political views > in an atmosphere of respect and tolerance. But where > students are beholden to the views of the instructor, we > need to be especially careful." > > Kahn declined to comment Friday night, other than to > describe the allegations as "100&37; lies." > > Lee said that several students in Kahn's Speech 106 course > approached him on Feb. 27 with concerns about the > assignments and that after meeting with Kahn, he visited > the class on Thursday. The students confirmed the > specifics of the assignments, Lee said, and told him "they > all understood that if they did not write a protest letter > [to Bush], they would not receive credit." > > Lee said he apologized on behalf of the college, and he > assured the students that they would be allowed to > complete alternative assignments expressing their own > beliefs on the issues. The college also is sending letters > of apology to Bush and to state Sen. Jack Scott (D- > Altadena) explaining the circumstances, Lee said. > > He said Kahn apparently collected the letters for Scott > and told students she would deliver them to the senator > herself at a political event. > > Chris Stevens, a first-year student who was among those > who complained, said he "wrote the letter to Bush but > asked her not to mail it because it wasn't my political > viewpoint. She refused, so I didn't turn it in and > couldn't get credit." > > Stevens, 20, said Kahn also asked students to sign > postcards that were not addressed to anyone but "talked > about how essential part-time instructors are." > > The college's decision to place Kahn on leave followed a > letter to administrators from the Foundation for > Individual Rights in Education, a Philadelphia-based civil > rights group. Kahn's students had written to the group to > request its intervention, said Thor Halvorssen, the > group's executive director. > > [link removed]
Politics does belong in school. Young people need to be aware of the way our country works, if they do not, then we will be plagued with more of these people who do not vote, and eventually our system will fail. To keep democracy working we must have informance!
THE TEACHERS IN MAINE HAVE RIDICULED AND TERRORIZED THE CHILDREN OF OUR ARMED FORCES. THEIR LAST ACT AS TEACHERS SHOULD BE TO READ THIS TO THEIR STUDENTS BEFORE THEY SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE (France?). Sorry, I forgot, kids can be terrorized but no prayers in school.
Close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands.
He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war.
He stands tough, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this...
I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it.
I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you stay at home because it rains.
I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you remain silent on critical issues, because it might be bad for business.
I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it has stolen democracy from the people.
It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the press.
It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech.
It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you to demonstrate.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!
"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen."
On 3/10/03, John wrote: > THE TEACHERS IN MAINE HAVE RIDICULED AND TERRORIZED THE > CHILDREN OF OUR ARMED FORCES. THEIR LAST ACT AS TEACHERS > SHOULD BE TO READ THIS TO THEIR STUDENTS BEFORE THEY SEEK > EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE (France?). Sorry, I forgot, kids can > be terrorized but no prayers in school. > > > > Close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > > > > He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, > wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from > the eternity away from his family surrounded by nothing but > death and carnage of war. > > > > He stands tough, with fire in his eyes and victory on his > breath. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells > us this... > > > > I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution > and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it. > > > > I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to > vote and you stay at home because it rains. > > > > I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of > speech and you remain silent on critical issues, because it > might be bad for business. > > > > I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve > you and it has stolen democracy from the people. > > > > It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom > of the press. > > It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of > speech. > > It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you to > demonstrate. > > It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, > whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the > protester to burn the flag! > > > > "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them > as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the > selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. > Amen." > JOHN THANKS FOR YOUR KIND POST, BUT MOST OF THESE "TEACHERS" HAVE A ONE TRACKED MIND, AND NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING WILL CONVINCE THEM OTHERWISE. THANK GOD THERE ARE SOME TEACHERS ON THIS CHATBOARD WHO HAVE ENOUGH CLASS AND SENSITIVITY TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY KIDS.
On 3/11/03, B.G. in Derby City wrote: > On 3/10/03, John wrote: >> THE TEACHERS IN MAINE HAVE RIDICULED AND TERRORIZED THE >> CHILDREN OF OUR ARMED FORCES. THEIR LAST ACT AS TEACHERS >> SHOULD BE TO READ THIS TO THEIR STUDENTS BEFORE THEY SEEK >> EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE (France?). Sorry, I forgot, kids can >> be terrorized but no prayers in school. >> >> >> >> Close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at >> Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. >> >> >> >> He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, >> wounded from months of battle and emotionally scarred from >> the eternity away from his family surrounded by nothing > but >> death and carnage of war. >> >> >> >> He stands tough, with fire in his eyes and victory on his >> breath. He looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells >> us this... >> >> >> >> I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the > Constitution >> and now your children graduate too illiterate to read it. >> >> >> >> I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to >> vote and you stay at home because it rains. >> >> >> >> I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of >> speech and you remain silent on critical issues, because > it >> might be bad for business. >> >> >> >> I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve >> you and it has stolen democracy from the people. >> >> >> >> It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the > freedom >> of the press. >> >> It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of >> speech. >> >> It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you > to >> demonstrate. >> >> It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves the flag, >> whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the >> protester to burn the flag! >> >> >> >> "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them >> as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the >> selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. >> Amen." >> > JOHN THANKS FOR YOUR KIND POST, BUT MOST OF > THESE "TEACHERS" HAVE A ONE TRACKED MIND, AND NOTHING, AND I > MEAN NOTHING WILL CONVINCE THEM OTHERWISE. THANK GOD THERE > ARE SOME TEACHERS ON THIS CHATBOARD WHO HAVE ENOUGH CLASS > AND SENSITIVITY TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY KIDS.
I am a teacher in Chicago but will be moving to Maine at the end of the teaching year. I have arranged to take the Praxis I test but I am unsure as to whether or not I need the Praxis II test. I am so confused and looking for the information is driving me more crazy than my first graders do. Please help me
I am wondering why Maine teachers are receiving so much press regarding their mistreatment of National Guard children. If there were any substance to the stories we would certainly see names of schools and details that can be substantiated in some way. It seems like an "urban myth" ,or in Maine's case, a "rural myth". Some one , somewhere, supposedly said something to a student and the whole country is ready to send lynch mobs to roust the troublemaking teachers up there in the North woods. The teachers in my school, when they aren't up to their noses in pages of Maine Learning Results documentation forms, are trying to find some credible piece of news reporting that actually states a traceable fact, name, or address. Are the Salem Witch Trials coming back into vogue? Come on people, Maine teachers love their kids and their country. And don't you forget it.
In truth, they don't think there is anything wrong with what was done but don't have the courage to admit it.
On 3/13/03, Stop the spin wrote: > I guess "urban myths" get reported in the New York Times, the > Washington Post and on CNN all the time, huh? > > The Maine National Guard, who has control over the release of > information and the level of outcry, has a vested interest in > keeping this quiet. Their Guard members' childen still have > to go to school in Maine. > > Your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of the claims and > to characterize them as "myth" even though the were reported > by highly respected, national media outlets is a feeble > attempt to justify the documented reprehensible behavior by > these teachers. > > Stop trying to justify or ignore their actions. Why don't the > other 99&37; of teachers come out and condemn the perpetrators? > Your attitude serves the purpose of casting the entire > profession in a suspect light.
On 3/14/03, Freedom Loving American wrote: > Very well said. > > In truth, they don't think there is anything wrong with what > was done but don't have the courage to admit it. > > > > On 3/13/03, Stop the spin wrote: >> I guess "urban myths" get reported in the New York Times, the >> Washington Post and on CNN all the time, huh? >> >> The Maine National Guard, who has control over the release of >> information and the level of outcry, has a vested interest in >> keeping this quiet. Their Guard members' childen still have >> to go to school in Maine. >> >> Your attempt to cast doubt on the veracity of the claims and >> to characterize them as "myth" even though the were reported >> by highly respected, national media outlets is a feeble >> attempt to justify the documented reprehensible behavior by >> these teachers. >> >> Stop trying to justify or ignore their actions. Why don't the >> other 99&37; of teachers come out and condemn the > perpetrators? >> Your attitude serves the purpose of casting the entire >> profession in a suspect light.
I am so very sorry if any child was caused pain because of their parents' participation in protecting our country. There is no acceptable excuse for such actions.
My concern is that ALL teachers in Maine were scolded and ridiculed by our "highly respected national media" . I work with many teachers and the entire group reacted as I did...with disbelief and disgust. No teacher should use their position to "push" their political agendas or personal vendettas onto their students. No teacher I have heard discussing this issue has had any good to say of it. I work with people of varying political persuasions and with very strong opinions. We have some very interesting discussions IN the Teacher's Room. Our most recent discussions were regarding the fact that negative national attention was drawn to the Maine Teaching Professionals concerning an issue that was reported without any names or places. It seems odd to us that we were all clumped into the class of "perpetrators" without any substantiation. In a court of law we would be able to face our accuser. In the court of public opinion, and in the face of vague rumors, we are unable to respond properly. In your own words, "The other 99% of teachers..", You seem to realize that this problem is not epidemic it is isolated. Should this issue have been fodder for CNN? Washington Post? New York Times? Should the entire Maine State Teachers' Association have been brought to the Nation's attention as a group of uncaring, unsympathetic "perpetrators" (another of your words). Please, just as you would demand that I not "doubt the veracity of the claims reported" I would ask YOU to remember that although I am not on "CNN or a highly respected national media outlet" I AM a respectable citizen and teacher in Maine. I would ask for at least an equal amount of believability and respect when I suggest that I would like to know who, what, when and where these alleged actions took place. If I am to endure the sentence I'd like to know why.
Excellent points. The old saying is "Silence gives consent" and it certainly applies here. Just as the education profession was silent when the NEA posted statements on its web page after 9/11 implying that America was responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, it has been silent here as well. Worse, there have been numerous posts here and elsewhere that have questioned the validity of what was reported and the defense that "it's only a small percentage" has been used.
True, impartial, unbiased educators should be outraged. THEY, not you or I, should be the ones posting here demanding that their colleagues be disciplined and removed from teaching.
If you don't clean up your own house, don't complain when people comment about the dirt.
On 3/14/03, Stop the Spin wrote: > About to Retire, > > You orignially posted "I am wondering why Maine teachers are > receiving so much press regarding their mistreatment of > National Guard children." > > To your credit, your most recent post seems to imply that you > have now thankfully realized why, in fact, many people find > the behavior abhorrent and cruel and why this became a > nationally publicized story. > > But then you continue to doubt the credibility of the > accounts given the lack of specific names and schools, > despite the fact, to use your logic, that no one from the > Maine Teachers' Association has denied the allegations. In my > earlier post, I described why the NG would be motivated to > refrain from further publicity. > > Your most recent post has attempted to place the events in a > legal context. The standard here, however, is NOT legal. No > one has brought the teachers in question up on criminal or > civil charges, so legal standards of evidence do not apply. > Any punishment will most likely be administrative, but more > likely, the true punishment has and will be scorn, disgrace > and disgust for these teachers entrusted with the welfare of > young children. > > We are, as you correctly observed, dealing with the court of > public opinion. The rule of evidence in the court of public > opinion is perception. Incidents like this one will only > contribute to the growing body of negative impressions many > people have regarding teachers and their personal and > political agendas. Similarly, the deafening silence, lack of > condemnation and defensive denial of the "other 99&37;" of > teachers only serves to cast the entire Maine Teaching > profession in a poor light. > > Surely you can appreciate this logic: Whether you yourself > believe the reports is irrelevant. What is important is the > implication individual teacher skepticism and lack of outrage > casts on the entire teaching profession's seemingly wide > acceptance of this type of behavior. > >
> Jackalope wrote" > True, impartial, unbiased educators should be outraged. THEY, > not you or I, should be the ones posting here demanding that > their colleagues be disciplined and removed from teaching. > > If you don't clean up your own house, don't complain when > people comment about the dirt. > > > On 3/14/03, Stop the Spin wrote: but more >> likely, the true punishment has and will be scorn, disgrace >> and disgust for these teachers entrusted with the welfare of >> young children. ...Surely you can appreciate this logic: Whether you yourself >> believe the reports is irrelevant. What is important is the >> implication individual teacher skepticism and lack of outrage >> casts on the entire teaching profession's seemingly wide >> acceptance of this type of behavior.
The equation of one's integrity, to say nothing of one's impartiality (!), to one's level of outrage is the special province of those on the far right and is one of the principal problems with our society. They don't like to think much, they even object to teaching children to think independently, but they can sure get angry.
Because of this reactionary behavior, the "true punishment" has and will be scorn disgrace and disgust for ALL teachers, instead of the ones, apparently never to be named or located who were involved in this incident.
I'm not sure that it is appropriate for the Maine Teachers Association to comment either way when all the facts of the incident are not known and would not typically be known except in a disciplinary hearing conducted by the administration of the school dictrict in which the incident occurred.
As to the mandate to believe something that was reported by CNN and the New York Times, these outlets reported on Anita Hill's accusations as well. Apparently it was OK to be skeptical then.
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On 3/22/03, Jackalope wrote: > Should homeschoolers be able to play sports or other > activities (band, clubs, etc.) at their nearby public > school?
GOOD QUESTION JACKALOPE. I never thought about that. If the public schools are not good enough to attend then they should not be good enough to play sports at etc. Let the homeschoolers form their own teams :)
On 4/17/03, B.G. wrote: > On 3/22/03, Jackalope wrote: >> Should homeschoolers be able to play sports or other >> activities (band, clubs, etc.) at their nearby public >> school? > > GOOD QUESTION JACKALOPE. I never thought about that. If the > public schools are not good enough to attend then they should > not be good enough to play sports at etc. Let the > homeschoolers form their own teams :)
>I think that the homeschoolers do not know what they are missing as far as activities intill they actuallyleave them.And,also,what if you can't form a team if they live in a small comunity.
I have a 4th grade student who is moving to Jackman, Maine before the next school year. Can you tell me anything about this school? Do they have dual-language classes? Does Maine have state tests for students??
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On 3/09/03,
You probably wont post this, but somebody I hope will read
this. Lets stop for a moment the name calling, and lets be
civil to eacher other and look at this from the very
beginning:
1. The NG colonel went on the O'Reilly show and exposed the
inflammatory story about the "alleged " ha...See More