South Carolina Teachers Chatboard

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Will Rogers Tony,

First of all, no, not all unions are bad. The bad thing is that ost of them have become corrupted by people who are in it for the money. We end teacher abuses by ALL teachers becoming intelligent and knowledgeable abouot the political process and become political leaders where we live.

We CAN work together in groups, but rem...See MoreTony,

First of all, no, not all unions are bad. The bad thing is that ost of them have become corrupted by people who are in it for the money. We end teacher abuses by ALL teachers becoming intelligent and knowledgeable abouot the political process and become political leaders where we live.

We CAN work together in groups, but remember, managers/professional in the traditional workforce are not permitted unions per se, they negotiate their contracts individually.

Once we form a group with intelligent cooperation, we design a standard set of contracts. We get those contracts as standardized forms across the entire state, and FORCE the boards and administrators to follow the law....by taking them to court over each and every infraction, and I mean every infraction in relation to teacher evaluation, classroom monitoring, teacher salaries, etc.

Once we have a set or team of individuals that will fight, change SHALL happen....but you have to remember this - education in America is POLITICALLY DRIVEN!

Will

On 12/29/09, Tony wrote: > Will, > > I appreciate your thoughtful answer and thanks. > > Are all unions, bad, however? How can we end teacher abuses > without a union? > > Tony > > On 12/29/09, Will Rogers wrote: >> Dear "To-Will" >> >> NEVER said ALL northerners are "rude, lazy, and >> nasty" did I? I can only speak from what I have >> seen educatiors up north do....hide behind their >> "union" to do the following....please >> remember I SAW THIS IN CLASSROOMS: >> >> 1. Coach/teacher: notes on the board (all >> week)-students do not talk or ask questions, just copy >> what is on board - teacher feet up on dest reading >> paper ALL DAY....and still has a job. - Lazy >> >> 2. Teacher cusses out a student in front of the whole >> class, then refuses to allow the student to go to the >> office or guidance. Not once, not twice, but 5 >> times...1 student, every day, each day the girls came >> to the class. Later learnede the teacher was mad at the >> student for not continuing to date her son. - Nasty. >> >> 3. A teacher I was observing was asked a REVELANT >> question - teacher's respoonse? "Shut the F*&* up >> until I am done giving you the notes." Then a few >> monuutes later, after class was copying again, >> "Just get your A$% out of my room girl." - >> Rude. >> >> I will not even go into what I saw in the >> "Union" meetings! Drinking, sexual advances, >> and other inappropiate behavior...on school property! >> Go unions! >> >> I am fortunate ot have met some REAALLY awesome >> educatiors too: Dr. Richard Nichols, Ms. Suzie >> Pescatore, Mr. Brad Wetzel just to name a few. They are >> truly SUPERIOR examples, live in Pennsylvania, and are >> oeople we should emulate. >> >> No matter WHERE you are...not everyone is bad, and not >> everyone is awesome either...you get both. >> >> And yes, I KNOW FOR A FACT What Would Jesus Do! That is >> why I forgive, try to suggest ways to assist, and >> progress forward, helping as many as I can along the >> way....and I hope you do also. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Will >> >> On 12/28/09, To- Will wrote: >>> Will, >>> >>> So all Northerners are "rude, lazy, and >>> nasty?" Wow. >>> >>> Southern hospitality on display here- for all the >>> world to see?? >>> >>> WWJD >>> >>> >>> On 12/27/09, Will Rogers wrote: >>>> >>>> WE CAN TELL WHO CAME FROM UP NORTH! >>>> >>>> It is always what you make of it. Do not think you >>>> are powerless here, as I learned....it is a matter >>>> of WHAT you know...study up! My induction classes >>>> were invaluable from Mrs. Adams, and I utilized >>>> that information. >>>> >>>> YOU ARE NOT UP NORTH! You cannot be rude, lazy, and >>>> nasty and get away with it here! Just because you >>>> do not like it, it does not mean someone else >>>> won't! >>>> >>>> Don't be fooled by unions either! I have seen >>>> unions ruin a teacher faster than can be done here >>>> in SC! AND I WAS JUST OBSERVING! I was not >>>> involved, thankfully, with the union. I saw them >>>> DESTROY a teacher with 25 years of experience just >>>> so they could get this young girl into the school!! >>>> >>>> I no longer have ANY faith in the yankee >>>> "unions"....they are full of graft, >>>> theft, dishonesty, and only protect their friends. >>>> >>>> All your wife needs to do is to go directly to the >>>> principal, if necessary the superintendant, and get >>>> the information! Don't leave your head in the >>>> sand....GET INFORMATION! If needed, get an >>>> attorney. >>>> >>>> Will >>>>

Jan 2, 2010

TechnoMage There is way too much wrong in this account to be correct. Even in the state of SC there are laws which forbid the outcomes you described. Sometimes when you are dealing with an ass you need a Lawyer. This sounds like such a case. They CAN only get away with these things if you let them. But they CAN get away with these things IF you LET them. DON'...See MoreThere is way too much wrong in this account to be correct. Even in the state of SC there are laws which forbid the outcomes you described. Sometimes when you are dealing with an ass you need a Lawyer. This sounds like such a case. They CAN only get away with these things if you let them. But they CAN get away with these things IF you LET them. DON'T 12/22/09, Theodore A. Jones wrote:

> > > As Angie says she is a newbie to SC and that also means Angie > has been given preferential treatment. What Angie has not told > you or does not know about SC is that when you sign a teaching > contract in SC a SC law intentionally removes your rights to due > process. Your rights to due process have been removed so that > when the principal or someone else in the district with > authority or a parent decides they don't like you or you begin > to make too much money out the door you go. My wife was a SC > classroom math teacher for 17 years. We left SC and were gone > for nearly ten years while my wife was employed as a senior > research scientist in math assement testing. We returned here to > care for my wife's parents and she began teaching again. Whereas > Angie was given preferential treatment and trained in the ADEPT > evaluation system my wife was not. Even tho my wife was aked to > teach AP cal. AP stats. and two other high level math cources as > a favor for the G/d Oconee school district as a favor for them > and has a 100% passing rate of all the students she taught, > failing one ADEPT evaluation has ended her teaching career in > SC. My wife was intentionally not informed of the existance of > the ADEPT evaluation system and even now has no idea of how to > comply with it. So like I said. You need to make SC a drive > thru. For if in anyway you are not a social fit the authorioties > of a SC school district will tear you apart and think they have > have done God a favor and SC law lets them get away with it. I > am not a SC school teacher but I really know the character of > the aristrocratic South Carolinian. Believe me you do not want > to teach school here. > On 12/22/09, Angie wrote: >> Hi! I am glad you are considering SC as a potential residence. >> I used to live in Ft. Huachuca, AZ many years ago and I >> attended Sierra Vista HS for my freshman year. :) If you move >> here, then the brutal Summers will be a breeze for you! :) >> >> I have to be honest, in regards to SC, there's only one other >> place I would ever live and that is near my family in another >> state. We moved here about 10 years ago and I love it here. I >> live in what it is considered the "Upstate." I live about >> 15-20 minutes from Charlotte, NC and about 90 minutes from >> Columbia, SC. >> >> I cannot offer experience in Columbia, but I do have input into >> my own county and districts within. I have been very supported >> by my district and my fellow teachers. I've been teaching for >> 3 years so I am still considered a 'newbie.' I teach 8th grade >> Math. I came into teaching after 10 years in the Construction >> Industry. While it is true we do not have a strong affiliation >> with the NEA, the Palmetto state has several other 'union' >> opportunities if you are interested. I have not felt the need >> to be supported by a union, I don't belong to one. >> >> While the reputation of education in this state is in question, >> there is no question that we need and desire good teachers. >> The pay isn't so hot, but you knew that when you got into >> teaching. The rewards are great and while we struggle (as does >> anywhere else) we do reap rewards. I love working for SC and I >> love my district. I'm often humbled by my own colleagues, >> there's some great teachers here. >> >> I apologize for the bad responses you may receive, but I have >> found that whenever I ask a question on here that I have to >> consider the source and take it with a grain salt. I will say >> that the Construction Industry is thriving also. I don't mean >> actual labor-wise, but in regards to the business and >> management aspects. Experience in management & accounting are >> helpful up here near Charlotte, NC. Again, I have no knowledge >> of life in Columbia, SC. >> >> The SCDOE website, while not very user friendly, is a great way >> to get info on how to become a teacher in SC. >> [link removed]!!

Jun 26, 2011

russian language arts teacher

by Marchela Koleva

Dec 11, 2009

Are there schools in SC where they hire teachers in Russian?

Theodore A. jones On 12/11/09, Marchela Koleva wrote: > Are there schools in SC where they hire teachers in Russian?

Are you daft? Most South Carolinians, especially teachers, have a great deal of difficulty with English. However some SC school district might hire a Russian language teacher as a political novelty

Dec 13, 2009

Administrator

by just wondering?

Dec 12, 2009

What are the qualifications to become an assistant principal in SC? Another teacher and I were talking and she said that an administrative degree wasn't necessary, only 18 hours of credit. I find that hard to believe. We looked on the SCDE site but didn't see anything. Does anyone know?

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clanna I think it depends on the district and the title. Some assistants are "titled" curriculum specialists.

On 12/12/09, just wondering? wrote: > What are the qualifications to become an assistant > principal in SC? Another teacher and I were talking and she > said that an administrative degree wasn't necessary, only > 18 hours of c...See More

Dec 13, 2009

Theodore A. jones On 12/12/09, just wondering? wrote: See title 59 sec. 24 SC code of laws. Tells you all about what you need to know. But this is SC. School districts in SC are allowed to do they please i.e. "at the DISCRETION of the district" is the actual rule of law in SC. > What are the qualifications to become an assistant > principal in SC? Another tea...See More

Dec 18, 2009

Representation by a strong collective bargaining organization for the teachers of SC is a good idea. For teachers are the only class of employees that I am aware of that the SC legislature has by law intentionally removed the right of due process. When you sign a contract to teach in any public SC school you also sign away your right to due process...See More

SC Teachers and unions

by Theodore A. Jones

Dec 29, 2009

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I'm in!! Will- what should we do?

On 1/01/10, Will Rogers wrote: > On 1/01/10, Theodore A. Jones wrote: >> I agree that a majority of the professional and labor >> unions are not the best >> things going but that does not mean by any strech that >> you people do not need the representation of a >> professional barga...See More

Jan 1, 2010

Will Rogers Drop me a line on my private e-mail ([email removed].

Figure what you REALLY want, and how you would like to get it.

Will

On 1/01/10, I'm in!! wrote: > Will- what should we do? > > > On 1/01/10, Will Rogers wrote: >> On 1/01/10, Theodore A. Jones wrote: >>> I agree that a majority of the profess...See More

Jan 2, 2010

New NBCTs

by Clanna

Dec 31, 2009

My district has about 10,000 students. We have twelve new NCBTs this year. Just curiou if this is in line with other districts. How many new NBCTs were named in your district this year?

Cola Teacher We have about 24,000 students 54 teachers were just certified. I'm not sure how many teachers teach in my district.

On 12/31/09, Clanna wrote: > My district has about 10,000 students. We have twelve new > NCBTs this year. Just curiou if this is in line with other > districts. How many new NBCTs were named in your district > thi...See More

Jan 1, 2010

NWEA MAP

by Clanna

Jan 2, 2010

Does your school use NWEA MAP test? Many, including myself would like to see this test replace the PASS test. So, I am curious as to how many schools are already using MAP in addition to PASS. Thanks.

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NoraJ On 1/02/10, Clanna wrote: > Does your school use NWEA MAP test? Many, including myself > would like to see this test replace the PASS test. So, I > am curious as to how many schools are already using MAP in > addition to PASS. > Thanks.

I am actually a Sp. Ed. teacher and trying to find info. for personal reasons. My son jus...See More

Feb 13, 2010

Clanna Nora, The test your son took is called Primary MAP. It is designed for K and 1st grade students. My district in the upstate of SC is piloting the Primary MAP for first graders this year. Our K- 5 are not tested with MAP. Scores for first grade are reported. The scores are norm-referenced. There is an average score depending on the time of yrear the...See More

Feb 13, 2010

Social Studies

by Bob_ MB

Jan 3, 2010

I'm going through the PACE program and looking for a job teaching Social Studies. Either HS or MS. Anyone know of job opportunities becoming available in Horry, Dillon, Florence, G'Town, Marion counties?

Will Rogers On 1/03/10, Bob_ MB wrote: > I'm going through the PACE program and looking for a job > teaching Social Studies. Either HS or MS. Anyone know of > job opportunities becoming available in Horry, Dillon, > Florence, G'Town, Marion counties?

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Jan 4, 2010

Did SC teachers get a pay freeze for this year?

by Melissa/North Caolina

Jan 10, 2010

Hi. We had a pay freeze this year in North Carolina, and, of course, we all hate it. Did you get a pay freeze this year? Or were you lucky to get a raise?

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Its the Talibangelicals, Cindy The region is backward, for the time being.

On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: > As a teacher, I must correct my "their" to "there" are not many > openings. Sorry about my hasty typing. I did not notice it at > first. Thanks all -Cindy > > On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: >> Sorry. But in Democratic or swing states with dems or moderate...See MoreThe region is backward, for the time being.

On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: > As a teacher, I must correct my "their" to "there" are not many > openings. Sorry about my hasty typing. I did not notice it at > first. Thanks all -Cindy > > On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: >> Sorry. But in Democratic or swing states with dems or moderate >> repub. in charge they tend to be more middle or lower class >> friendly with their laws. >> >> We have unions and we did not have to take any freezes. We have >> better teacher pay, retirement and health benefits. I also noticed >> we offer more programs to assist middle or lower income families. >> But you do have that great weather! I am jealous of that. >> Somedays it is so cold I just stay at school and keep working. We >> also do not have a big turn over because we have good working >> conditions so their are not as many openings. >> >> BUT Why do teachers have no say? Teachers sometimes offer >> creative solutions. Even with unions, bad teachers should be let >> go but I am glad everything is spelled out in my contract. So >> everyone knows what is expected of them. And I am confused why you >> do not have local boards or super. that could make local >> decisions? Shouldn't locals be making the decisions? How does it >> work? Every area has different needs and issues >> >> . 1/10/10, Will Rogers wrote: >>> Well my friend, the republicans had no mora a part of the >>> economy tanking as the democrats did...know your politics my >>> friend...study up. >>> >>> Who controls the federal purse strings? THE CONGRESS! >>> Wow....what a concept, see the constitution. And just who >>> controls the congress....the DEMOCRATS! WOW! OHHHH!!! >>> >>> The real deal is that both parties saw this and did nothing but >>> put their head in the sand.... >>> >>> Me, I am losing 43.00 a pay in furlough pay cut due to this, but >>> I praise God EVERY day I have a job. Be glad you have one too. >>> >>> Don't just whine...DEVELOP SOLUTIONS! >>> >>> Will >>> >>> >>> On 1/10/10, N. B. Forrest wrote: >>>> Melissa, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your concern. Yep- we're frozen. Talibangelical >>>> Repubs in the state government shafted us AGAIN. Ain't the >>>> South great??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/10/10, Melissa/North Caolina wrote: >>>>> Hi. We had a pay freeze this year in North Carolina, and, >>>>> of course, we all hate it. Did you get a pay freeze this >>>>> year? Or were you lucky to get a raise? >>>>>

Jan 16, 2010

Will Rogers Cindy,

When one types fast...mistakes happen. :-) But I disagree, I believe the SOuth to be more progressive in some things, better at others, and right along with the rest of the nation in the rest. And if you actually look at all the states, not just what others tell you, you will see you are wrong my dear one. I had the honor of doing a...See MoreCindy,

When one types fast...mistakes happen. :-) But I disagree, I believe the SOuth to be more progressive in some things, better at others, and right along with the rest of the nation in the rest. And if you actually look at all the states, not just what others tell you, you will see you are wrong my dear one. I had the honor of doing a paper (140 pages worth....what a nightmare at grad school!) Here were some of the findings:

--Republicans in state and federal government personal wealth was uniformly BELOW those of democrat's personal wealth. --States with the highest welfare rates were northern states, with mostly white women not working as highest percentage of people on the dole. --The so called "progressive" states had massively higher property rates and millage rates. --In EVERY state, the money for schools is directed to the politically active suburbs, not cities or rural areas....the school money follows the political donations!

Those were just a few. Check the facts yourself, don't just take someone's word on it please.

You know why teachers get dumped on? Tor 3 reasons:

1. Not politically knowledgeable 2. Do not act or puroprt themselves as educated managers -which we are. 3. Do not get active in local politics.

Will Rogers

On 1/16/10, Its the Talibangelicals, Cindy wrote: > The region is backward, for the time being. > > On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: >> As a teacher, I must correct my "their" to "there" are not many >> openings. Sorry about my hasty typing. I did not notice it at >> first. Thanks all -Cindy >> >> On 1/16/10, Cindy wrote: >>> Sorry. But in Democratic or swing states with dems or moderate >>> repub. in charge they tend to be more middle or lower class >>> friendly with their laws. >>> >>> We have unions and we did not have to take any freezes. We have >>> better teacher pay, retirement and health benefits. I also noticed >>> we offer more programs to assist middle or lower income families. >>> But you do have that great weather! I am jealous of that. >>> Somedays it is so cold I just stay at school and keep working. We >>> also do not have a big turn over because we have good working >>> conditions so their are not as many openings. >>> >>> BUT Why do teachers have no say? Teachers sometimes offer >>> creative solutions. Even with unions, bad teachers should be let >>> go but I am glad everything is spelled out in my contract. So >>> everyone knows what is expected of them. And I am confused why you >>> do not have local boards or super. that could make local >>> decisions? Shouldn't locals be making the decisions? How does it >>> work? Every area has different needs and issues >>> >>> . 1/10/10, Will Rogers wrote: >>>> Well my friend, the republicans had no mora a part of the >>>> economy tanking as the democrats did...know your politics my >>>> friend...study up. >>>> >>>> Who controls the federal purse strings? THE CONGRESS! >>>> Wow....what a concept, see the constitution. And just who >>>> controls the congress....the DEMOCRATS! WOW! OHHHH!!! >>>> >>>> The real deal is that both parties saw this and did nothing but >>>> put their head in the sand.... >>>> >>>> Me, I am losing 43.00 a pay in furlough pay cut due to this, but >>>> I praise God EVERY day I have a job. Be glad you have one too. >>>> >>>> Don't just whine...DEVELOP SOLUTIONS! >>>> >>>> Will >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/10/10, N. B. Forrest wrote: >>>>> Melissa, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your concern. Yep- we're frozen. Talibangelical >>>>> Repubs in the state government shafted us AGAIN. Ain't the >>>>> South great??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/10/10, Melissa/North Caolina wrote: >>>>>> Hi. We had a pay freeze this year in North Carolina, and, >>>>>> of course, we all hate it. Did you get a pay freeze this >>>>>> year? Or were you lucky to get a raise? >>>>>>

Jan 16, 2010

Is it required by law anywhere that schools and school districts provide a planning period for teachers in South Carolina? I know in Texas they have a law that states each school district and school most provide every teacher with at least 450 minutes within every two week period for instructional preparation and planning. Do we have anything like ...See More

Planning Period

by Matt

Jan 12, 2010

Cola Teach There is not a law, to my knowledge. At my school, if we don't have meetings then we have 50 mins, while the students are in related arts. On 1/12/10, Matt wrote: > Is it required by law anywhere that schools and school > districts provide a planning period for teachers in South > Carolina? I know in Texas they have a law that states each ...See More

Jan 23, 2010

Teaching jobs in Columbia area?

by Lori Vanis

Jan 12, 2010

I am currently teaching in Florida but am seriously thinking about moving my family to South Carolina. I am interested in finding out if there are teaching positions available and the chances of being hired.

I know that things got tough last year in Florida for new teachers trying to get a job. I was just wondering if there was a similar ...See More

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doh I doubt if you really did sit in a real union negotiation. Your short sightedness on union's is really evident in your post. Especially in teacher unions.

On 1/16/10, Will Rogers wrote: > Cindy, > > I am glad to hear your union reps and district do well > together...it is the first I have heard. Having been > directly involv...See More

Jan 18, 2010

Will Rogers You may doubt whatever you wish.....I was there, and did so. It is because of what I saw and learned from both sides of the negotiation is why I feel the way I do about unions. "doh" why are you not brave enough to stand by your statements, but hide? That is a coward's way. A friend I worked with as a teacher now works for the AFL-CIO in union HQ. ...See MoreYou may doubt whatever you wish.....I was there, and did so. It is because of what I saw and learned from both sides of the negotiation is why I feel the way I do about unions. "doh" why are you not brave enough to stand by your statements, but hide? That is a coward's way. A friend I worked with as a teacher now works for the AFL-CIO in union HQ. I turned down an oppotrunity to work for the unions in PA....wanted to go where I was needed. I bet if I saw your students test scores, they would be far below mine!

You have never done research, I can tell...and you represent EXACTLY the problem today in the USA...you don't do research...just go with the crowd.....sheep and cows do that to, al the way to the slaughter house.

You want to be a sheep, or do you want to actually DO SOMETHING other than snipe at others? Stand up and be counted, or get run over...your choice.

Will Rogers

On 1/18/10, doh wrote: > I doubt if you really did sit in a real union negotiation. > Your short sightedness on union's is really evident in your > post. Especially in teacher unions. > > > > > On 1/16/10, Will Rogers wrote: >> Cindy, >> >> I am glad to hear your union reps and district do well >> together...it is the first I have heard. Having been >> directly involved with union negotiation (from both >> sides over the years), yours is one of the few I have >> heard with coperation! That is a VERY GOOD THING! :-) >> >> How much of your pay cut goes to union dues? I believe >> in the constitutional rights....like my 1st amendmant >> right of freedom of expression, and will never be >> forced into any union. When a union stops paying union >> personnel more than any teacher, and the on-site leader >> no longer gets money to represtne me, then I will >> consider a union...and you may want to look at the deal >> the unions negotiated with the white house on the >> upcoming health care bill...thery want to raise your >> taxes, but not for 8 years is you are in a >> union.....then all at once you guys get a HUGE zap! >> Sounds too much of everyone is equal....as long as I >> get more than you do. >> >> I am glad you folks there work well together...how much >> classroom directed funds went to the new raise? The >> money came from somewhere....check into where it came >> from. >> >> I prefer to directly negotiate my future...I have the >> pilitical know-how and skill. Thank the good Lord for >> my district. :-) >> >> Will Rogers >>

Jan 20, 2010