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Why are sped teacher not paid more

by wondering

Mar 1, 2017

When it requires extra education? It requires extra patience? It requires a strong constitution? The paperwork is about quadruple of that of reg ed?

What is the argument that sped teachers should not be paid significantly more, for their additional skill level?

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about supply and demand When it comes to pay, the private sector can pay however they want - pay women less, pay urologists more, pay graduates from Harvard more than graduates from the state U or whatever, but the public sector has never adopted that model of compensation. The money to run the governmental bodies is derived from taxes and it is limited whereas the money ...See MoreWhen it comes to pay, the private sector can pay however they want - pay women less, pay urologists more, pay graduates from Harvard more than graduates from the state U or whatever, but the public sector has never adopted that model of compensation. The money to run the governmental bodies is derived from taxes and it is limited whereas the money to keep a private company up and running comes from them being competitive in the open market as they sell their services or products. (Look at the income that is generated by Facebook or Google).

There are upsides and downsides to that - the public sector employees generally still get pensions which have been all but abolished in private companies. Private companies can compensate employees with bonuses based on economic performances, dismiss employees at will, and expand in good times or downsize when they outsource their work. As employees of a governmental body we have some job protection though that is becoming less and less. The lawmakers in office today would like nothing more than to privatize and outsource the government and let the market determine your social security, pension, and job.

On 3/06/17, supply and demand wrote: > I think th OP and the others that responded to this are > looking at the "paid significantly more" thing from through > the wrong lense. See: It doesn't matter how "hard" someone > works. It isn't about working hard or long hours, but > supply and demand within the job market. > > Last summer, I watched landscapers install a large wall of > fully grown trees in 90+ degree heat. That was hard, hot > work, but probably didn't pay well. Why? Because if these > people didn't want to do it, then there were a lot of > people who could be trained to do it in a short period of > time. > > Schools should pay sped teachers more, not because they > work more or less, but because there is a shortage of them > in most localities. The same goes with math and science > teachers. The pay isn't reward for working harder, but > because there is a shortage of fully qualified people to do > the job. Now, maybe sped teachers are a "shortage" field > because the job is harder, I don't know and it doesn't > matter, but this is the only way for the US to address > teacher shortage. Educational administrators, who are > basically bureaucrats, don't get this because they lack an > understanding of basic economics. The job market is an > economic system and every sub-field of teaching is it's own > job market. Preset salary scales that apply to all > teachers do nothing to address shortages and overcompensate > and undercompensate various subfields. > > There are now frequently articles about general "teacher > shortages" that focus on teaching as a whole and maybe give > one line mentioning the subfields that actually have a > teaching shortage. This varies by geographic areas a bit, > but typically special ed, math, science, and ELL/Bilingual > jobs are "shortage" fields. There can be others depending > on the area. Almost universally, there is no shortage of > elementary, English, PE, art, and social studies teachers. > That isn't to say that the subject matter isn't important > in those non-shortage or even glutted fields, but simply > that the job market for these people don't demand higher > pay... just like the people installing those trees. > Teaching Kindergarten sounds very hard to me, but there are > a lot of people who are educated to do it and who want to > do it. > > This is the case in many other fields. Computer > programmers who program certain languages make more money > than others. While all doctors do well, an ophthalmologist > might make more than a urologist in certain localities. > Not because ophthalmologists work harder, but because there > is a shortage of them. > > This is the way of the free market. Blanket salary scales > actually reduce the ability of schools to address teacher > shortages. > > On 3/01/17, wondering wrote: >> When it requires extra education? >> It requires extra patience? >> It requires a strong constitution? >> The paperwork is about quadruple of that of reg ed? >> >> What is the argument that sped teachers should not be >> paid significantly more, for their additional skill > level?

Mar 7, 2017

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supply and demand Public entities still compete with each other and the private sector for labor, AND we pay people differently based on the job they do. We pay custodians and instructional assistants less than teachers and administrators more than teachers. In California, they pay Speech and Language Paths much more than teachers on a separate scale because they wo...See MorePublic entities still compete with each other and the private sector for labor, AND we pay people differently based on the job they do. We pay custodians and instructional assistants less than teachers and administrators more than teachers. In California, they pay Speech and Language Paths much more than teachers on a separate scale because they would have no SLPs without doing so. The salaries for SLPs in CA hospitals are far too high to pay them on the teacher scale. I see no reason why there needs to be a general, bulky teacher salary scale that applies to everyone.

The reason that there is a shortage of math, science, and computers teachers is because people with those skills have options elsewhere that pay more. People with the skills to teach elementary school or high school history don't have those options (unless gained elsewhere in their career). Incentivizing shortage fields could lead people to gain skills in those much needed fields instead of acquiring skills that are not in need. I know a lot of people with elementary ed majors who have never taught because they couldn't find a job. There are people majoring in teaching history right now who will never, ever have a full time job teaching high school history, wasting their time and money. There IS a job market. Ignoring it just generates and continues shortages.

On 3/07/17, about supply and demand wrote: > When it comes to pay, the private sector can pay however they > want - pay women less, pay urologists more, pay graduates from > Harvard more than graduates from the state U or whatever, but > the public sector has never adopted that model of compensation. > The money to run the governmental bodies is derived from taxes > and it is limited whereas the money to keep a private company up > and running comes from them being competitive in the open > market as they sell their services or products. (Look at the > income that is generated by Facebook or Google). > > > There are upsides and downsides to that - the public sector > employees generally still get pensions which have been all but > abolished in private companies. Private companies can > compensate employees with bonuses based on economic > performances, dismiss employees at will, and expand in good > times or downsize when they outsource their work. As employees > of a governmental body we have some job protection though that > is becoming less and less. The lawmakers in office today would > like nothing more than to privatize and outsource the government > and let the market determine your social security, pension, and > job. > > > > > On 3/06/17, supply and demand wrote: >> I think th OP and the others that responded to this are >> looking at the "paid significantly more" thing from through >> the wrong lense. See: It doesn't matter how "hard" someone >> works. It isn't about working hard or long hours, but >> supply and demand within the job market. >> >> Last summer, I watched landscapers install a large wall of >> fully grown trees in 90+ degree heat. That was hard, hot >> work, but probably didn't pay well. Why? Because if these >> people didn't want to do it, then there were a lot of >> people who could be trained to do it in a short period of >> time. >> >> Schools should pay sped teachers more, not because they >> work more or less, but because there is a shortage of them >> in most localities. The same goes with math and science >> teachers. The pay isn't reward for working harder, but >> because there is a shortage of fully qualified people to do >> the job. Now, maybe sped teachers are a "shortage" field >> because the job is harder, I don't know and it doesn't >> matter, but this is the only way for the US to address >> teacher shortage. Educational administrators, who are >> basically bureaucrats, don't get this because they lack an >> understanding of basic economics. The job market is an >> economic system and every sub-field of teaching is it's own >> job market. Preset salary scales that apply to all >> teachers do nothing to address shortages and overcompensate >> and undercompensate various subfields. >> >> There are now frequently articles about general "teacher >> shortages" that focus on teaching as a whole and maybe give >> one line mentioning the subfields that actually have a >> teaching shortage. This varies by geographic areas a bit, >> but typically special ed, math, science, and ELL/Bilingual >> jobs are "shortage" fields. There can be others depending >> on the area. Almost universally, there is no shortage of >> elementary, English, PE, art, and social studies teachers. >> That isn't to say that the subject matter isn't important >> in those non-shortage or even glutted fields, but simply >> that the job market for these people don't demand higher >> pay... just like the people installing those trees. >> Teaching Kindergarten sounds very hard to me, but there are >> a lot of people who are educated to do it and who want to >> do it. >> >> This is the case in many other fields. Computer >> programmers who program certain languages make more > money >> than others. While all doctors do well, an ophthalmologist >> might make more than a urologist in certain localities. >> Not because ophthalmologists work harder, but because there >> is a shortage of them. >> >> This is the way of the free market. Blanket salary scales >> actually reduce the ability of schools to address teacher >> shortages. >> >> On 3/01/17, wondering wrote: >>> When it requires extra education? >>> It requires extra patience? >>> It requires a strong constitution? >>> The paperwork is about quadruple of that of reg ed? >>> >>> What is the argument that sped teachers should not be >>> paid significantly more, for their additional skill >> level?

Mar 7, 2017

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there is a reason that the turnover of sped teachers is so much higher than that of regular ed
teachers. That should be factored in.

Mar 7, 2017

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sped On 3/07/17, there is a reason that the turnover of sped wrote: > teachers is so much higher than that of regular ed > teachers. That should be factored in. >

Sped is typically a very hard job. But, that being said, everyone knows a resource or inclusion teacher who seems to have it easy, so it goes both ways.

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Mar 8, 2017

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Winnie On 3/01/17, wondering wrote: > When it requires extra education? > It requires extra patience? > It requires a strong constitution? > The paperwork is about quadruple of that of reg ed? > > What is the argument that sped teachers should not be > paid significantly more, for their additional skill level?

I know this was...See More

Mar 13, 2017

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