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Subbing while on LWOP?

Jul 16, 2016

Hi,

I am currently on LWOP due to a PCS move. It's looking like a full time, teaching position may not happen this year. Is it possible to sub while on LWOP? If you sub, does that mean that you forfeit your LWOP status? My old school said "no" but the new one says "yes." Now that I am on LWOP, I don't really see the advantages if that makes sense.

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Too many unknowns here, but basically wondering why remaining on LWOP is your goal if you take a Sub appointment? In my experience, any appointment to a federal job, including to an NTE, Term, or even to a PT and Intermittent job, e.g. Substitute, will end your LWOP.

Advice at this point is that you take your Resignation with LWOP SF50 (an...See MoreToo many unknowns here, but basically wondering why remaining on LWOP is your goal if you take a Sub appointment? In my experience, any appointment to a federal job, including to an NTE, Term, or even to a PT and Intermittent job, e.g. Substitute, will end your LWOP.

Advice at this point is that you take your Resignation with LWOP SF50 (and all other recent SF50s documenting your CONUS-Hired (or Converted) status to the *base's* Human Resources office, i.e. *not* to the DoDDS person nor to DSO's HR folks (should a DSO be near you). Call in advance to make your appt & to provide the basic outline of your questions to the base HR office so they can do some preliminary research. If possible, request your appt to be with the boss of the base HR Office, who will likely be the most knowledgeable. What you seek is an explanation about the limitations/restrictions/etc for the specific "Authority" code that is entered on your SF50 which placed you on LWOP.

While waiting for this meeting with the base's HR expert, call your *prior* school's person (who told you that LWOP could continue even after being hired as a Sub at new location) to ask whether that comment was just "kind talk" e.g. meant to decrease the (normal) uneasyness/fears inherent to departing your job there, or, if there is an actual citation to policy they can provide to you.

Btw, for DoDDS teachers, LWOP's advantages include, e.g. continuing some FEGLI coverage and some Retirement credit and some Health/etc. coverages until you either get another federal job or the LWOP expires. LWOP to accompany a PCS-ing active duty spouse *doesn't* confer any sort of hiring preference, but, in your case, Family Member Preference (aka Military Spouse Preference Program) *does* confer hiring preference *if* the applying spouse is competitively ranked among the best qualified applicants for the vacancy, and is on sponsor's PCS orders, and spouse is present/on-station, and spouse hasn't already used the preference to get a job at that location.

Heads up: it is not necesary, not even desirable, to use your one-time spouse hiring preference in order to get hired as a Subsitute (any high school graduate US citizen w/o "unfavorable information" can be a DoDDS Sub); save that spouse hiring preference for a permanent full time job, whether as a full time DoDDS teacher or at any other full time federal job at your new location that you qualify for.

Last point, also meet with the FRS at your new school(s) to get their advice; if your FRSs there are newbies, ask that they forward your LWOP vs. Sub question upstream for considered feedback. **Maintain** your FEA membership at this new location; even working as a Sub, you can still be an Associate Member of FEA.

On 7/16/16, Koreatchr wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently on LWOP due to a PCS move. It's looking like a > full time, teaching position may not happen this year. Is it > possible to sub while on LWOP? If you sub, does that mean that > you forfeit your LWOP status? My old school said "no" but the > new one says "yes." Now that I am on LWOP, I don't really see > the advantages if that makes sense.

Jul 16, 2016

koreatchr Thank you for the advice! Reality Sheriff- The problem is that I am still a probationary teacher. I only completed one year at my "old" school. In hindsight, I should've stayed at my school and separated the family for the 2nd year to gain permanent status. My union rep said that being on LWOP shows up as a note when the other principals ...See More

Jul 16, 2016

haha If there are no officially announced administrators for the potential new school then I would definitely reach out to whoever is acting in that capacity and making hiring decisions (e.g. introductions, Resume, etc).

On 7/16/16, koreatchr wrote: > Thank you for the advice! Reality Sheriff- The problem is that I am > still a probationa...See More

Jul 17, 2016

Yes, introduce yourself to *all* the players, secretaries too (especially the senior secretaries), and don't beat around the bush in saying why you should be hired. Coming from a school in the same district, also call your old P to ask that s/he call the Asst DSO, and also call the new P who will be known soon, in your behalf.

You clearly...See MoreYes, introduce yourself to *all* the players, secretaries too (especially the senior secretaries), and don't beat around the bush in saying why you should be hired. Coming from a school in the same district, also call your old P to ask that s/he call the Asst DSO, and also call the new P who will be known soon, in your behalf.

You clearly recognize the difficulties of being a 1-year newbie to DoDDS, and now in a place where there are "lots of" other Locally Hire-able qualified teachers. These other teacher- spouses have likely had helpful facetime there as Subs so in that sense you're below their curve. But, your positives are very significant. You have your 1 year of successful experience/ratings in a school in that same district, and you've met the Asst DSO already, and you have your prior P to toot your horn to the Asst DSO and to the new P, and you have your spouse hiring preference, besides others.

A caveat: You haven't indicated whether you were a CONUS- hire last year or, instead, were a Local Hire. I'm assuming you were a CONUS-Hire because departing Local Hires don't usually request LWOP status and LHs also normally aren't Converted to Permanent until end of 3rd year. So, be aware now, if not already, that not a few P's and DSOs will *not* look positively at any new application from a prior CONUS-Hire who resigned after just one year elsewhere. Hopefully, your new P and the Asst DSO there do not share that dour attitude; if they do hire you as a FT teacher this August, then you keep all your CONUS-Hire recruitment incentives, but if you aren't FT hired this August, then you'll have to work your way back in as a Sub, then Local Hire, then, hopefully, Conversion, then transferred to regain that lost CONUS-Hired status.

And, some thoughts for the long term: it's not uncommon for a DoDDS teacher who is married to an active duty person to make the decision you made. Don't second-guess your decision now; it's done. But, plan/decide, based on all the circumstances, whether a decision for you to resign should ever be made again. E.g. your military spouse might be ~near enough~ to their own retirement, or some other end to their service. A year or two of family separation may be an acceptable trade for you to reach your own career, income, and retirement security needs/wants which then become whole family supports. A DoDDS career can easily last MUCH longer than the normal ~20 or so years of a military career so it may well be that the best decision is your DoDDS career becomes the primary "driver" for where your family is and your selected DoDDS transfers/assignments become the locations that your spouse applies to be assigned to for their remaining years of that military service, IOW, your spouse follows you, not the other way around as is the usual (and IMO, incorrect) course.

On 7/16/16, koreatchr wrote: > Thank you for the advice! Reality Sheriff- The problem is that I am > still a probationary teacher. I only completed one year at my "old" > school. In hindsight, I should've stayed at my school and separated > the family for the 2nd year to gain permanent status. My union rep > said that being on LWOP shows up as a note when the other > principals pull a referral list.Unfortunately, I am in an area where > there are many other military spouses that are elementary teachers > and I am trying to think of every competitive advantage. I am Dodea > qualified in 6 areas but still I wait. :( > > On a side note: Both the principal and AP of the "new" school have > moved on to new locations. The new admin team hasn't been > announced yet but in the meantime the asst. superintendent has > been doing some hiring. Should I contact the asst. superintendent > to introduce myself and send him a resume? My "old" school and > "new" school are in the same district so I have met him before. I > don't want to violate protocol but I also really want to teach this > upcoming year too.

Jul 17, 2016

koreatchr Thanks haha and reality sheriff, you were the two that I
was hoping would comment. I know that my old principal
called and he introduced me face to face to the new
schools departing principal at the district teacher of the
year reception. (I won TOY at my old school and have had
both superintendents and the director in my room. Being...See More

Jul 17, 2016

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