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NCLB is a LIE, a SCAM!!

by ANGRY Father

Nov 11, 2008

CLB is a lie, a Bush Family SCAM, a useless and incoherent pile of dunk! And it is in fact leaving ALL our kids behind. The argument of "civil Rights" is an abuse to dumb down our Children even more as it victimize not only Teachers but the Students that are simply made to pass grads, undeserved. The assumption is that there is a direct cause and effect relationship between a teacher's ability to teach and a student's learning. Students and their actions apparently plays only subordinate or inconsequential roles in their learning, only the actions of the all-powerful, but made totally powerless by NCLB, teacher matter. "Better teachers (Where should those geniuses of teachers come from? From China? Since teachers receive NO education which allows them to be able to do their Job successfully and efficiently. ) Thus the teacher is always at fault. What in fact is very far from reality of education in the U.S. The driving force behind learning is not the teacher but the individual student...See MoreCLB is a lie, a Bush Family SCAM, a useless and incoherent pile of dunk! And it is in fact leaving ALL our kids behind. The argument of "civil Rights" is an abuse to dumb down our Children even more as it victimize not only Teachers but the Students that are simply made to pass grads, undeserved. The assumption is that there is a direct cause and effect relationship between a teacher's ability to teach and a student's learning. Students and their actions apparently plays only subordinate or inconsequential roles in their learning, only the actions of the all-powerful, but made totally powerless by NCLB, teacher matter. "Better teachers (Where should those geniuses of teachers come from? From China? Since teachers receive NO education which allows them to be able to do their Job successfully and efficiently. ) Thus the teacher is always at fault. What in fact is very far from reality of education in the U.S. The driving force behind learning is not the teacher but the individual student, and the will to learn. the system of education itself is gravely at fault here as well. What alone allows every attempt to individualize lessons to fail, because a teacher simple has no time or resources to make separate lessons for each student (what alone is INSANE to expect from any teacher!) Our DUMBING DOWN pathetic Education system and our society is made to believe that it is the teacher responsibility to "archive" excellence" for the students, while the students enjoy the right of a carefree, stress-free youth. Our debilitating and destructive thinking about education does not compel students to strive so that they may discover the full range of their abilities so they become literary intellectual impotence. Not only do most students in our school system fail to learn academics in any "depth", they also learn that someone else is responsible for their success or failures in life. There should be no question that this does not reflect the reality of their adult life later in any way. NCLB and all the nonsensical theocratic motivated dumbing down of our Children has to go, for our Children to be able to compete in the Future and for our nation to even have a Future in comparison to the rest of the World. I am seeking more informed parents and teachers willing to speak out very loud against this obviously intentional and perpetuated dumbing down of our Children. Even up to joint law suits against the School System, if this is what needed to be done!

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Sod1 "educational research shows that the most powerful factor in a classroom is the teacher" Au Contraire CanukTeacher, the most weakest factor - today - in the classroom is the teacher! And that would be among others, one of the most significant failures of the perpetuated Privatizing and financial "profiting" of and from Education, a goal which toget...See More"educational research shows that the most powerful factor in a classroom is the teacher" Au Contraire CanukTeacher, the most weakest factor - today - in the classroom is the teacher! And that would be among others, one of the most significant failures of the perpetuated Privatizing and financial "profiting" of and from Education, a goal which together make the disaster named NCLB complete. As it is quite arrogant, dumb and a sign of over-self-confidence to assume you as a teacher were the most powerful, most important, most influential factor in a class room. On what kind of scientific educational research should that assumption be based on nowadays, hmm? Intelligent Design without any Intelligence? Or a totally out-dated and absurdly religious Klondike's "Behaviourism and Individualized "Stimulus" in our Era of total Anti-Authority in Educational approach? The erucial factor in a student determining achievement is not the school or the teacher, but the student himself, his family and influencing direct environment. To provide all that would require a little bit more than a self-overrating teacher,who wish to do what g-d could not do - but most of all it will require intelligent Administration, school Boards, Principles doing their job proficiently - e.g. concept national curriculum and applying differentiated instructional objective "standards" - which are now required to be done "subjectively" by the teachers, what means a teacher can basically decide to use the Bible or any other for education totally irrelevant Book to teach "Individualized" - instead of delegeating blames. The "High Class" in the U.S. as usual should be held responsible- they need to be fired for incompetence - but are not! Hmm.. The U.S. IS a lawyers Nation. One just have to get the right lawyer(s), have the right support (public) and amount of Money and you would already have won. A few People just have to "care" enough about the future of their children, be courageous and or be frustrated enough to be willing to go all the way to "change" things that aren't working, with the help of Million others, certainly. Start working on something more "realistic", hmm?

Lovely Day!

On 12/07/08, CanukTeacher wrote: > Hi, > > While certainly students have to participate for education to > work, educational research shows that the most powerful factor > in a classroom is the teacher. Not in the traditional sense. > This isn't about teachers lecturing to students, but providing > students with amazing learning environments. Yes teachers need > more time, resources, etc. However, it is pretty inspiring as a > teacher to know that the most important thing for me to focus on > is continuing to improve my own practice. I would argue that > suing a school board is a pretty bad idea. The only one to be > hurt in the end is the kids as there will be even less money for > resources. As for teaching every kid differently, no that isn't > possible. However, differentiated instruction makes teaching > appropriate to individual students is possible. This is what > I'm working on at the moment :)

Dec 16, 2008

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Tessa- FL I once went to a training that showed research I actually believe: that in order to be a succesful reader by the end of 1st grade, a student has to have 3,000+ hours of literacy activities. That is concrete evidence that shows when students fail to read it is NOT the school's/teacher's/prinicpal's/district's fault. It is the PARENT's fault. Period....See More

Dec 19, 2008

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rth The research as I heard it many years ago ( well before NCLB) stated that a child needed hear 3000 stories to be ready to read. The earlier the literacy experiences happen, the earlier a child will read. For some, it will be the end of first grade... for others later. YES, when those stories begin at home, students come to school with a stonger fou...See MoreThe research as I heard it many years ago ( well before NCLB) stated that a child needed hear 3000 stories to be ready to read. The earlier the literacy experiences happen, the earlier a child will read. For some, it will be the end of first grade... for others later. YES, when those stories begin at home, students come to school with a stonger foundation on which to begin reading instruction.

However, if they don't hear them at home, I think we need to provide those stories at school. Let's catch them up on experiences (Why can't that be the first intervention if its clear language experiences are missing?). Then, if putting them at a level playing field is not enough, intervene with specific skills reinforcement.

One of my biggest gripes with NCLB is that is doesn't recognize the importance of time as a factor in learning. ALL 3rd graders have to be at the same level. Maybe all Sophia needs is some time to catch up, not a million interventions that try to squeeze into her head 3 years of learning in 6 months. Students come to learning experiences at varying degrees of readiness (another pre NCLB) idea, but our present guidelines say that doesn't matter. Those students have to be at the same place at the same time as the students who came to student ahead of where we expected them to be. I believe our goals should be high for all students, but we should recognize that some will need more support and more time to achieve.

Of course, following this idea, some students will be ready for graduation at 17 and some at 19, but that's happening anyway. The educational leaders just don't want to admit that it has to happen.

Also, the student given the time and support to learn at a pace that makes learning feel attainable and seem pleasurable has a much greater chance of staying in school and achieving than his classmate that continues to move forward but is not prepared and really doesn't understand what being taught.

On 12/19/08, Tessa- FL wrote: > I once went to a training that showed research I actually believe: > that in order to be a succesful reader by the end of 1st grade, a > student has to have 3,000+ hours of literacy activities. That is > concrete evidence that shows when students fail to read it is NOT the > school's/teacher's/prinicpal's/district's fault. It is the PARENT's > fault. Period. It's a shame that the public and the politicians > continue to place blame and sanctions where they don't belong.

Dec 29, 2008

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paulaj It is indeed a dumb thing, but only because There isn't anything explicit. Our training has been incredible. We are excellent teachers becasue of the planning.

I have been speaking out for years. All I get is on someone's list as a troublemaker.

Feb 18, 2009

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mom May daughter, normally an excellent student, came home crying in 8th grade because she had made all=region choir but was not allowed to participate because she had failed math. She tried to blame it on a lousy teacher. Her teacher, a math genious, really did not know how to teach non=genious teachers. But I did not let her get away with that. It is...See MoreMay daughter, normally an excellent student, came home crying in 8th grade because she had made all=region choir but was not allowed to participate because she had failed math. She tried to blame it on a lousy teacher. Her teacher, a math genious, really did not know how to teach non=genious teachers. But I did not let her get away with that. It is is not the teacher who will miss opportunities because you didn't learn, but you. Therefore it is your responsibility to learn the material, in any way you can. Ask her for help, ask other teachers, ask your friends, but you have to be responsible for your own education. She has had good grades ever since. On 11/11/08, ANGRY Father wrote: > CLB is a lie, a Bush Family SCAM, a useless and incoherent > pile of dunk! And it is in fact leaving ALL our kids behind. > The argument of "civil Rights" is an abuse to dumb down our > Children even more as it victimize not only Teachers but > the Students that are simply made to pass grads, undeserved. > The assumption is that there is a direct cause and effect > relationship between a teacher's ability to teach and a > student's learning. Students and their actions apparently > plays only subordinate or inconsequential roles in their > learning, only the actions of the all-powerful, but made > totally powerless by NCLB, teacher matter. "Better teachers > (Where should those geniuses of teachers come from? From > China? Since teachers receive NO education which allows > them to be able to do their Job successfully and > efficiently. ) Thus the teacher is always at fault. What in > fact is very far from reality of education in the U.S. > The driving force behind learning is not the teacher but > the individual student, and the will to learn. the system > of education itself is gravely at fault here as well. What > alone allows every attempt to individualize lessons to > fail, because a teacher simple has no time or resources to > make separate lessons for each student (what alone is > INSANE to expect from any teacher!) Our DUMBING DOWN > pathetic Education system and our society is made to > believe that it is the teacher responsibility to "archive" > excellence" for the students, while the students enjoy the > right of a carefree, stress-free youth. Our debilitating > and destructive thinking about education does not compel > students to strive so that they may discover the full range > of their abilities so they become literary intellectual > impotence. Not only do most students in our school system > fail to learn academics in any "depth", they also learn > that someone else is responsible for their success or > failures in life. There should be no question that this > does not reflect the reality of their adult life later in > any way. > NCLB and all the nonsensical theocratic motivated dumbing > down of our Children has to go, for our Children to be able > to compete in the Future and for our nation to even have a > Future in comparison to the rest of the World. > I am seeking more informed parents and teachers willing to > speak out very loud against this obviously intentional and > perpetuated dumbing down of our Children. Even up to joint > law suits against the School System, if this is what needed > to be done!

Jul 31, 2009

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