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Tenure-good or bad?

by Jane

Apr 13, 2005

/blockquote>

I've been a teacher for a couple of years. I'd like to get
some insight from fellow teachers about tenure.

Most teachers that already have tenure are pretty adament
about not wanting to give it up. This is understandable.

On the other hand I have had to work with several teachers
that are, in my opinion, not very good. My children have
had teachers that are both fabulous and horrible.

What is the argument when people say, "Why should teachers
be guaranteed a job for life? Why shouldn't a district be
able to fire a teacher that is not effective?"

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Texas parent /blockquote>

> What changes can be made so that our tax dollars are used
> fairly and not politics as usual? I am unemployed in a small
> town. I have excellent credentials, secure interviews, but am
> not hired. It makes me really angry when I know there are bad
> teachers with jobs and I can't get a foot...See More

Jun 14, 2005

Texas parent /blockquote>

> What is the argument when people say, "Why should teachers
> be guaranteed a job for life? Why shouldn't a district be
> able to fire a teacher that is not effective?"

There is no argument. It is a flaw in the current system
that it is too hard to get rid of ineffective teachers.

But wh...See More

Jun 14, 2005

Ellen /blockquote>

It prevents teachers from being fired for bringing up issues
that may not be popular with the administration. And it is not
tenure. It is permanent which is not the same thing. You can
still be fired if you have a bad evaluation and don't improve....
Let me let you in on a little secret. Comepetition does not...See More

Jun 18, 2005

Mitch /blockquote>

Tenure is necessary, and good in some ways. Unfortunately,
in today's world most decisions about education are made by
people other than teachers. It is the federal, state and
county governments which make the laws about what has to be
taught and what doesn't. They make laws about class size,
testing and...See More

Nov 30, 2006

Ryan On 4/21/05, lisa wrote: > On 4/13/05, Jane wrote: >> I've been a teacher for a couple of years. I'd like to get >> some insight from fellow teachers about tenure. >> >> Most teachers that already have tenure are pretty adament >> about not wanting to give it up. This is understandable. >> >> On the other...See MoreOn 4/21/05, lisa wrote: > On 4/13/05, Jane wrote: >> I've been a teacher for a couple of years. I'd like to get >> some insight from fellow teachers about tenure. >> >> Most teachers that already have tenure are pretty adament >> about not wanting to give it up. This is understandable. >> >> On the other hand I have had to work with several teachers >> that are, in my opinion, not very good. My children have >> had teachers that are both fabulous and horrible. >> >> What is the argument when people say, "Why should teachers >> be guaranteed a job for life? Why shouldn't a district be >> able to fire a teacher that is not effective?" > > > Schools can fire a teacher who is tenured. It takes awhile > because everything has to be documented and the union is > highly involved, but it does happen. No one is guaranteed a > job for life. > > I do agree that there are bad teachers out there. I have seen > them. The thing is some of them have been horrid from the > start and could have been let go at the beginning of their > career, but administration let it slide and now are stuck. > Other teachers burn out. This is when the adminstration > needs to step in and educate that teacher to get him/her back > on track. > > When you are not tenured you can be fired without given a > cause - and unfortuately, political interests often play a > point here. The superintendent has a niece that needs a job > and so you are out of luck. Hiring can be based on family > ties and not quality. At least when you are tenured you are > safer from that type of mentality.

"When you are not tenured you can be fired without given a cause - and unfortuately, political interests often play a point here. The superintendent has a niece that needs a job and so you are out of luck. Hiring can be based on family ties and not quality. At least when you are tenured you are safer from that type of mentality."

This is the worst argument I've ever seen. This happens in every profession, not just teaching, and is no justification for tenure. If no spots are reserved for tenure, and the superintendent wants to get his niece a job, he's going to fire the least valuable member of the group. AKA, what you BRING to the school vs what you COST the school.

Experience and wisdom from years on the job add to your value, but should not guarantee a job for life.

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