I'd like to present the argument that you need to LOWER class sizes in order to save money. Yes, initially, there will be some expenditures for hiring additional teachers, but I still think that every district could save money by having smaller class sizes.
As experienced teachers, we all know that when your classroom becomes overcrowded, you're not able to give 1:1 attention to every child. It becomes "crowd control" and we put band-aids on certain situations. There are more students to assess and monitor. More and more is being asked of teachers through RTI programs, assessment strategies, AYP programs, etc.
Is it too simplistic to say if class sizes were kept to proper levels (NAEYC advocates for a 1:10 ratio in grades K- 3), that there might not be any need for RTI, DIBELS, AYP assessments, etc? All of those additional programs cost money. Lots of money.
Get rid of all of those extra programs, hire additional teachers, lower class sizes, and let teachers do what they know how to do best: TEACH.
If a teacher had a class size that was truely workable, then they'd be able to see which student needs extra help with phonemic blends, which student has anger issues, which students shouldn't be near each other, which students have vision and hearing issues, etc. There's a tremendous difference between having 20 students in a class and having 32-40.
I have 25 students this year, in a full day Kindergarten class, and I'm very fortunate to have a full time IA who is with the class all day long. Even with 2 full time adults in the room, and with a fairly well behaved class, 25 is really pushing the limits. It would be SO much better if it was 20-22.
On 6/16/11, Tallytchr wrote: > One problem we've run into in our district with the mandated > class sizes...where to put everybody. You must have more > classrooms for more teachers. > > It's not just the cost of adding more teachers for the same > amount of students, it's finding the space and outfitting more > classrooms. In my school, that means finding more projectors, > doc cameras, furniture (you need another teacher reading > table, center tables, teacher's manuals,). > > I'm all for smaller class sizes, but it can be a burden on the > local districts...especially in a state like Florida when they > make it a constitutional amendment but don't give extra funds > to make it happen.
On 6/16/11, judy5ca wrote: > Good counterargument, Tallytchr, but...as a vet who has had > classes of 20 up to classes of 40, I'd much rather do without a > special table, docucam (I love mine, don't get me wrong, but I > could use an overhead projector), and lots of other stuff > IF it meant lower class size. I want to be able to teach > individuals and it's just too hard to do that with a big class. > We have 28 5th graders and count ourselves lucky as many in our > state have waaaay more, but...I know what 25 is like--and it's > very very different. > JMO, > Judy > > > On 6/16/11, Tallytchr wrote: >> One problem we've run into in our district with the mandated >> class sizes...where to put everybody. You must have more >> classrooms for more teachers. >> >> It's not just the cost of adding more teachers for the same >> amount of students, it's finding the space and outfitting more >> classrooms. In my school, that means finding more projectors, >> doc cameras, furniture (you need another teacher reading >> table, center tables, teacher's manuals,). >> >> I'm all for smaller class sizes, but it can be a burden on the >> local districts...especially in a state like Florida when they >> make it a constitutional amendment but don't give extra funds >> to make it happen.
On 6/16/11, Pollypug wrote: > I worry that...See MoreBut the increase is gradual, so it will be hard to prove that bigger class size negatively affects test scores--at least where I teach. We inch up. Honestly, I try to remain positive, but I think test scores will be just one more thing we're expected to "maintain" in the face of adversity. Judy
On 6/16/11, Pollypug wrote: > I worry that as class sizes increase test scores will go > down. Last year I had 27 second grade students without any > help. I taught the curriculum and kept the children under > control, but was not able to give much individual > attention. I worry that test scores will go down and > teachers will be blamed for not doing their job. The first > grade had 32 students. There was little room to even put > the desks:/
I was fortunate and i had small Latin classes last year. this only happened because to put the two levels together, they wouldn't have fit in the classroom.
On 6/29/11, acj wrote: > On 6/17/11, nfm wrote: >> On 6/16/11, muse wrote: >>> I was fortunate and i had small Latin classes last year. >>> this only happened because to put the two levels together, >>> they wouldn't have fit in the classroom. >>> > > 28 - not too bad! My avg. was 31, BUT at the beginning of the > year I had two classes of 45 (not enough desks, or room to put > more desks either). Luckily admin saw the light, but the > district wouldn't hire more teachers, so, five of us took 6/5 > contracts (no prep. period, but some extra $$). Two classes of > 35 - lots of talking and distractions. And grading 189 research > papers just about killed me. (I also had four preps to plan > for...) Having taught for nine years, I have to say that 23-25 > is ideal, and yes, test scores/grades are MUCH better (and > writing improves most) in smaller classes. There's just no > substitute for more personal attention and the variety of > activities and participation a smaller class allows. The only > caveat MIGHT be honors/AP classes. (I had a frosh honors class > of 32 that was wonderful; but they came into high school very > motivated and high-achieving already).
SJOn 6/16/11, muse wrote: > I was fortunate and i had small Latin classes last year. > this only happened because to put the two levels together, > they wouldn't have fit in the classroom.
Mine was one of the smallest rooms in the building. I had desks wall to wall front to back in the room. The desks at the back of the room were against the wall. My desk/chair were backed up against the wall/chalkboard. We were really packed in that room.
Another new, young teacher had a larger room and many fewer students across the hall. She offered to change rooms with me, so we went to the principal and asked if we could do this, with us doing the actual moving ourselves.
His answer caught me (AND the other teacher) off guard, but taught me a lot about administrators.
He said, "Let's just leave it like it has always been."
OK. So, I basically had martial law at the beginning of the school year. As the year progressed, it was possible to lighten up. Having same gender students made everything easier.
Mine was one of the smallest rooms in the building. I had desks wall to wall front to back in the room. The desks at the back of the room were against the wall. My desk/chair were backed up against the wall/chalkboard. We were really packed in that room.
Another new, young teacher had a larger room and many fewer students across the hall. She offered to change rooms with me, so we went to the principal and asked if we could do this, with us doing the actual moving ourselves.
His answer caught me (AND the other teacher) off guard, but taught me a lot about administrators.
He said, "Let's just leave it like it has always been."
OK. So, I basically had martial law at the beginning of the school year. As the year progressed, it was possible to lighten up. Having same gender students made everything easier.
Using the new technology that teachers are provided with today like smartboards, ipads,computer, document cameras. What is the best way to use these in a classroom with a size of about 30 students? Is one better to use vs. using another?
What a neat question, I suppose it depends on a lot of factors such as time, unit topic, student's attention spans etc, but you can never go wrong with using a variety of methods and a variety of technologies that way you can see which works best (or is well received) and which ones students struggle with - from there you can decide to either develop the student's skills by encouraging them to use the technology that isn't being selected as much or continue refining the skills of the technologies of choice. I always think group activities and individual activities provide different skills so its best to use a balance of both as well as showing your students how you use such technological devices in your lessons is also rather encouraging. Here are some ideas to get you started: [link removed]
Hope it helps, Gen F.
> Using the new technology that teachers are provided with > today like smartboards, ipads,computer, document cameras. > What is the best way to use these in a classroom with a > size of about 30 students? Is one better to use vs. using > another?
What are best ways to have your class listen to you? It seems so difficult to be stern, but also have your students still like you as a teacher and be interested in class. Many teachers are very strict, which cause the students to not like the teacher and/or class. What is the right way to get your students to listen to you with full respect?
I understand your concern with being liked by students, but at the same time making sure they listen. First thing to remember is that you are their as their teacher, not as their friend. This year has been very difficult getting students to listen. My school has implemented a few new strategies. First we introduced the GIVE ME 5. The second thing you might look up for more information is the CHAMPs program. It was a rough start, and we are still working with it, but it's a more structured program, and the more I'm strict with it, the more students are starting to listen and follow directions. I was hesitant about this program and wasn't doing a good job following it. Rather I was doing rewards or taking things away, and it wasn't working. I started working on the CHAMPs procedures and now students are doing a better job. I recommend looking up this program and possibly implementing it! Good Luck!
On 1/23/12, Gabrielle Kolar wrote: > What are best ways to have your class listen to you? It > seems so difficult to be stern, but also have your students > still like you as a teacher and be interested in class. > Many teachers are very strict, which cause the students to > not like the teacher and/or class. What is the right way to > get your students to listen to you with full respect?
This seems to be a hot topic among teachers. As teachers, we must be strict or it would be a mad house all day, everyday!Students must know understand that there are rules to follow and if they break the rules, there are consequences. I'm not sure there is a 'right' way per say to get students to listen to you with full respect but I can lend advice as to what I see works in my classroom/ school. At my school we recently implemented a rewards system (rewards are given out at the end of each week and month). This seems to have worked well. Also, I make sure students know that because THEY made a 'sad' choice, THEY have to pay the consequences (writing a note home, minutes off recess, etc.) Students will respect us more if we are strict and set expectation and behavioral boundaries than if we just let them rule the roost! Good luck!