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Disruptive Students

by Gipsom

Jun 4, 2011

The beginning of the year should focus on classroom expections. One of the first lessons should be on classroom managements. Let the students be a part of planning the classrooms rules. Once the rules are established display them so the students can see them. Teach the rules to the students. Then role play the rules so the students will know what is expected of them. Most important you(teacher) apply the rules every day.

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judy5ca So sorry if I was unclear. I think Karen understood that I was talking about two DIFFERENT types of disruptive child: the one who can't really help it (Aspergers/autism) is one kind. Though not always feeling patient, I do find it easy to display patience and understanding with these kids.

The other type is the one I have so much trouble ...See MoreSo sorry if I was unclear. I think Karen understood that I was talking about two DIFFERENT types of disruptive child: the one who can't really help it (Aspergers/autism) is one kind. Though not always feeling patient, I do find it easy to display patience and understanding with these kids.

The other type is the one I have so much trouble dealing with. The child with little/no impulse control. The disruptive child I was speaking of, the one who blurts/lies/fights/bullies, is a 5th grader. Honestly, I can't change his chemical makeup or his family history (not good). I spend so much time on him--to the detriment of my students who want to learn. I know, I know, many suggest ignoring him, but it's impossible to ignore behaviors that so negatively impact other students. I have let this child know, in many ways, that I like him and care about him--and he believes it. It's just that when he doesn't filter, he is so disruptive and hurtful that all good progress seems to be erased. Honestly, we have 5 more days of school. I am counting the minutes until he is gone. Sorry, not a proactive response, but realistic. I'm so glad my year with him is almost done--and so is my husband as he is tired of seeing me beaten down by a 10 year old.

Judy

On 6/04/11, Karen M. wrote: > On 6/04/11, judy5ca wrote: >> These suggestions about rules and procedures are lovely and work >> for many students, but I don't think they are always helpful for >> the truly disruptive student. For me, the disruptive student >> talks/makes noises without raising his hand, shouts out, talks >> when he wishes, intimidates/scares other students, and/or doesn't >> care about/understand consequences. For me, the most disruptive >> students are often Asperbergers kids who can't control most of >> their responses. This year I have a truly disruptive child whose >> goal in life is to be the center of attention; he doesn't care >> whether that attention is positive or negative, he just wants >> attention. I find him more difficult to deal with than any other >> disruptive student I've had. He exhausts me. >> Judy >> >> > Hi Judy, > I agree with you about Asberger students tending (but not always) to > be more disruptive. I want to focus on something you said: "who > can't control most of their responses". That's a key to coping with > them. It's like a mantra that you have to tell yourself over and > over again "He can't control it. He can't control his own > behavior." They may very well WANT to, but they can't. I think > once you acknowledge that, you can move on to what the child CAN > do. > > His goal may not necessarily be "to be the center of attention", but > just to be recognized. You said it yourself, "he just wants > attention". Can you give him that attention that he craves, but on > YOUR terms? Start off with small increments, baby steps as it were, > and acknowledge those little things that he can do. > > Does this particular student have an IEP or a 504? Does he see the > school counselor or a regular schedule? Is that part of his plan? > It should be. Have you seen his IEP?? You are entitled to see it > being his classroom teacher. If he doesn't have an IEP, then you > need to refer him. > > Does this particular student have a favorite past time, hobby, or > sport that you could use as a 'hook' to get to know him better, plan > activities around, and set up a behavior plan/reward system with? > > Years ago, when I taught 6th grade, there was a boy in my class that > had horrible anger issues (for good reasons). His mother was at a > loss to what to do (she was overwhelmed herself) UNTIL someone > suggested karate classes. Without going into detail, the > transformation over time was amazing. Yes, he'd still become angry, > BUT he could no longer be goaded into fights, and once the other > kids realized that, they began to leave him alone. He also began to > use the skills he learned in karate (focus, respect, planning) in > school and at home. Just an example. > > I understand the havoc a truly disruptive student can cause in a > classroom. With Asberger's, each child is so unique. You really > have to find that combination of "magic tricks" that works the best > for that particular child. > > Is your school year almost over? What will happen to this student > next year? Let us know.

Jun 4, 2011

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stumped I know, I know. I feel the same way. I see these same behaviors in 8th, 10th, and 11th graders. There will be more like them next year. There seems to be more and more of them every year. Is discipline the issue? Comply or goodbye?

I hope you don't feel defensive. I'm trying to evaluate my own performanc and responses as a teacher, and I ...See MoreI know, I know. I feel the same way. I see these same behaviors in 8th, 10th, and 11th graders. There will be more like them next year. There seems to be more and more of them every year. Is discipline the issue? Comply or goodbye?

I hope you don't feel defensive. I'm trying to evaluate my own performanc and responses as a teacher, and I am feeling truly disillusioned and hopeless right now.

On 6/04/11, judy5ca wrote: > So sorry if I was unclear. I think Karen understood that I was talking > about two DIFFERENT types of disruptive child: the one who can't really > help it (Aspergers/autism) is one kind. Though not always feeling > patient, I do find it easy to display patience and understanding with > these kids. > > The other type is the one I have so much trouble dealing with. The > child with little/no impulse control. The disruptive child I was > speaking of, the one who blurts/lies/fights/bullies, is a 5th grader. > Honestly, I can't change his chemical makeup or his family history (not > good). I spend so much time on him--to the detriment of my students who > want to learn. I know, I know, many suggest ignoring him, but it's > impossible to ignore behaviors that so negatively impact other students. > I have let this child know, in many ways, that I like him and care > about him--and he believes it. It's just that when he doesn't filter, > he is so disruptive and hurtful that all good progress seems to be > erased. Honestly, we have 5 more days of school. I am counting the > minutes until he is gone. Sorry, not a proactive response, but > realistic. I'm so glad my year with him is almost done--and so is my > husband as he is tired of seeing me beaten down by a 10 year old. > > Judy > > > > > On 6/04/11, Karen M. wrote: >> On 6/04/11, judy5ca wrote: >>> These suggestions about rules and procedures are lovely and work >>> for many students, but I don't think they are always helpful for >>> the truly disruptive student. For me, the disruptive student >>> talks/makes noises without raising his hand, shouts out, talks >>> when he wishes, intimidates/scares other students, and/or doesn't >>> care about/understand consequences. For me, the most disruptive >>> students are often Asperbergers kids who can't control most of >>> their responses. This year I have a truly disruptive child whose >>> goal in life is to be the center of attention; he doesn't care >>> whether that attention is positive or negative, he just wants >>> attention. I find him more difficult to deal with than any other >>> disruptive student I've had. He exhausts me. >>> Judy >>> >>> >> Hi Judy, >> I agree with you about Asberger students tending (but not always) to >> be more disruptive. I want to focus on something you said: "who >> can't control most of their responses". That's a key to coping with >> them. It's like a mantra that you have to tell yourself over and >> over again "He can't control it. He can't control his own >> behavior." They may very well WANT to, but they can't. I think >> once you acknowledge that, you can move on to what the child CAN >> do. >> >> His goal may not necessarily be "to be the center of attention", but >> just to be recognized. You said it yourself, "he just wants >> attention". Can you give him that attention that he craves, but on >> YOUR terms? Start off with small increments, baby steps as it were, >> and acknowledge those little things that he can do. >> >> Does this particular student have an IEP or a 504? Does he see the >> school counselor or a regular schedule? Is that part of his plan? >> It should be. Have you seen his IEP?? You are entitled to see it >> being his classroom teacher. If he doesn't have an IEP, then you >> need to refer him. >> >> Does this particular student have a favorite past time, hobby, or >> sport that you could use as a 'hook' to get to know him better, plan >> activities around, and set up a behavior plan/reward system with? >> >> Years ago, when I taught 6th grade, there was a boy in my class that >> had horrible anger issues (for good reasons). His mother was at a >> loss to what to do (she was overwhelmed herself) UNTIL someone >> suggested karate classes. Without going into detail, the >> transformation over time was amazing. Yes, he'd still become angry, >> BUT he could no longer be goaded into fights, and once the other >> kids realized that, they began to leave him alone. He also began to >> use the skills he learned in karate (focus, respect, planning) in >> school and at home. Just an example. >> >> I understand the havoc a truly disruptive student can cause in a >> classroom. With Asberger's, each child is so unique. You really >> have to find that combination of "magic tricks" that works the best >> for that particular child. >> >> Is your school year almost over? What will happen to this student >> next year? Let us know.

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CC I have a 30-45 minute commute to work each way, so I have started listening to books instead of music CD's or radio stations. One audiobook that I really enjoyed was, Look me in the Eye:My Life with Aspberger's by John Elder Robison. It may help you understand the perspective of a disruptive child.

On 6/04/11, judy5ca wrote: > These su...See MoreI have a 30-45 minute commute to work each way, so I have started listening to books instead of music CD's or radio stations. One audiobook that I really enjoyed was, Look me in the Eye:My Life with Aspberger's by John Elder Robison. It may help you understand the perspective of a disruptive child.

On 6/04/11, judy5ca wrote: > These suggestions about rules and procedures are lovely and work > for many students, but I don't think they are always helpful for > the truly disruptive student. For me, the disruptive student > talks/makes noises without raising his hand, shouts out, talks > when he wishes, intimidates/scares other students, and/or doesn't > care about/understand consequences. For me, the most disruptive > students are often Asperbergers kids who can't control most of > their responses. This year I have a truly disruptive child whose > goal in life is to be the center of attention; he doesn't care > whether that attention is positive or negative, he just wants > attention. I find him more difficult to deal with than any other > disruptive student I've had. He exhausts me. > Judy > > > On 6/04/11, MrsD5107 wrote: >> On 6/04/11, Gipsom wrote: >>> The beginning of the year should focus on classroom >>> expections. One of the first lessons should be on >>> classroom managements. Let the students be a part of >>> planning the classrooms rules. Once the rules are >>> established display them so the students can see them. >>> Teach the rules to the students. Then role play the rules >>> so the students will know what is expected of them. Most >>> important you(teacher) apply the rules every day. >> >> I totally agree that you must be proactive. I have used the >> series Love and Logic very successfully when those disruptions >> do occur. The trick is to follow through with your plan. If you >> stray from your plan, then you send the message that you >> really weren't going to enforce it. For example, if you say one >> warning then it must be just one warning not three. You must be >> ready to take your plan to the last day of school!

Jun 4, 2011

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Shannon I agree. You should focus on classroom expectations, procedures, rules, etc. the first week or so of school. Then you need to enforce it. If the students understand and know what is expected of them, they do not usually cause as many disruptions.

On 6/04/11, Gipsom wrote: > The beginning of the year should focus on classroom > expec...See More

Jun 4, 2011

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Janine H. Every post that I have read so far has very valid suggestions. I agree that the most important things are to be proactive and consistent. We need to teach students how to be good students if they are not already there.

If habits have developed that are not conducive to learning (we can not anticipate everything), I feel we need to remember...See More

Jun 27, 2011

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