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Room Climate

by Susan

Dec 31, 2012

My class is horrible in the afternoon. I have 4 mainstreamed students who come in before lunch. I feel I am doing everything right. Polite, interesting lessons, clear directions, etc. The morning can be great, at other times with some of the other "unidentified" challenging students, it can be awful. Not listening at all, disrespectful, not doing work. Calling parents doesn't work. I've tried "22 Ways to get a students attention in a school setting" etc. I need to know what to try when multiple students try to gang up on misbehavior. Urban setting.

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Sara On 12/31/12, Susan wrote: > My class is horrible in the afternoon. I have 4 mainstreamed > students who come in before lunch.

The afternoon can be different from the morning - is that what's happening? Is it the four mainstreamed students who start the disruption or do the other children resent the four additions to the classroom in ...See MoreOn 12/31/12, Susan wrote: > My class is horrible in the afternoon. I have 4 mainstreamed > students who come in before lunch.

The afternoon can be different from the morning - is that what's happening? Is it the four mainstreamed students who start the disruption or do the other children resent the four additions to the classroom in the afternoon? How many students do you have overall?

Calling parents doesn't work in these modern times. What subjects do you teach in the afternoon? And have you asked any of your building colleagues to observe? It can be very helpful to have someone in the back of the room who can get a different perspective and tell you where the trouble is really starting - which child starts it up and how it spreads.

What about giving them a break or breaks? "We need to put in 15 minutes of work on our math problems and then we're going to watch a cartoon on fractions. (there are cartoons on fractions, these days there is everything)

Or 20 minutes of work on our math and then 10 minutes of charades. I'd also talk to the ringleaders - one at a time- and ask them what they think is the difference - why are they so cooperative in the morning but then so unhappy in the afternoon? Sometimes children have insights. And if they're disrespectful, I would have already had those one on one discussions - we all have different definitions of disrespect but a student who is disrespectful - I want to know why - and I don't wait long to have that conversation. I am not disrespectful to my students -like you I speak always in a polite, even warm, tone to students and truly have no idea why a child would in turn speak disrespectfully to me. At times it's an impulse of anger or frustration and things burst out but if a child follows directions in the morning and is respectful to you in their manner in the morning - I'd point that out to the child in a one on one discussion and sincerely inquire why they are like two different children from morning to afternoon.

> I feel I am doing everything right. Polite, interesting > lessons, clear directions, etc. > The morning can be great, at other times with some of the > other "unidentified" challenging students, it can be awful. > Not listening at all, disrespectful, not doing work. > Calling parents doesn't work. > I've tried "22 Ways to get a students attention in a school > setting" etc. > I need to know what to try when multiple students try to > gang up on misbehavior. > Urban setting.

Jan 18, 2013

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