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by Sarah

Aug 29, 2012

What do you do when another teacher (not classroom) tries to take lessons that you have taught for 5 years in the library. When they offer to teach something and you tell them I teach that every year in my library (especially) when you need it taught a certain way. What do you do when you are told to run a program and the same person wants to take over parts of it.

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a couple possibilities Dear Sarah, The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is about. It sounds like it has become an integral part of your library program during the year. Is it Information Literacy which is more typically taught by us in the library, or maybe a particular book you have developed for literacy instruction? Is it your administrator who has ...See More

Aug 29, 2012

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Sarah One lesson involves the electronic card catalog and AR testing and my lessons relate it to where to find things in the library--- it is a technology teacher. I never asked for any help.

On 8/29/12, a couple possibilities wrote: > Dear Sarah, > The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is > about. It sounds like it h...See MoreOne lesson involves the electronic card catalog and AR testing and my lessons relate it to where to find things in the library--- it is a technology teacher. I never asked for any help.

On 8/29/12, a couple possibilities wrote: > Dear Sarah, > The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is > about. It sounds like it has become an integral part of your > library program during the year. Is it Information Literacy > which is more typically taught by us in the library, or maybe > a particular book you have developed for literacy > instruction? > Is it your administrator who has told you to "run" the > library (if s/he is not a classroom teacher, then are they an > aide? another specialist? or what?!)and now is trying to come > in and teach, too, somehow? It's not clear from what you wrote. > What is clear is that there's a big communication issue that > has to be addressed! At your school do you have a process for > this type of situation- someone to mediate if you have tried > and tried to talk professionally and it's just not working? > Lastly, I'm starting to document everything much more than I > used to. Do you have student work samples from these past > lessons you can pull, or testimonials from other teachers- any > kind of "data" you have in place to justify why YOU are the > one who needs to teach this, and in the library. With that, > maybe you can then offer a couple suggestions that integrate > what you already teach so successfully with something this > person can do to extend the learning? > Good luck!! Yuck- what a way to start a new school year, > sorry! > On 8/29/12, Sarah wrote: >> What do you do when another teacher (not classroom) tries >> to take lessons that you have taught for 5 years in the >> library. When they offer to teach something and you tell >> them I teach that every year in my library (especially) >> when you need it taught a certain way. What do you do when >> you are told to run a program and the same person wants to >> take over parts of it.

Aug 30, 2012

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a Sarah, 2 :) Hi, Sarah- I'm a Sarah, also. In my district when we teach students (what ages are yours?) how to use the online "card" catalog it is tied to broader information literacy lessons- for example, why they should begin with books we have right there at school for a report on tigers (I'm elementary) rather than a Google search. (3 results, maybe, in the...See MoreHi, Sarah- I'm a Sarah, also. In my district when we teach students (what ages are yours?) how to use the online "card" catalog it is tied to broader information literacy lessons- for example, why they should begin with books we have right there at school for a report on tigers (I'm elementary) rather than a Google search. (3 results, maybe, in their reading level, 1 with an AR test with the online catalog search, versus 3 million or whatever, from Google.) In your district are you teaching from any kind of standards? Especially now, with the Common Core there is a distinction between technology as its used for a productivity tool and information literacy like your lessons. If your conversations with the technology teacher (who is setting that curriculum?)are going nowhere (like why he or she specifically wants to 'teach' the online catalog) they should have to have some written justification why. What about your principal? Adding to the advice below, this should be a positive opportunity to collaborate (with suggestions from YOU as the expert on how the technology lesson can extend the learning) instead of a frustrating power struggle benefiting nobody. On 8/30/12, Sarah wrote: > One lesson involves the electronic card catalog and AR testing > and my lessons relate it to where to find things in the library--- > it is a technology teacher. I never asked for any help. > > > > > > On 8/29/12, a couple possibilities wrote: >> Dear Sarah, >> The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is >> about. It sounds like it has become an integral part of your >> library program during the year. Is it Information Literacy >> which is more typically taught by us in the library, or maybe >> a particular book you have developed for literacy >> instruction? >> Is it your administrator who has told you to "run" the >> library (if s/he is not a classroom teacher, then are they an >> aide? another specialist? or what?!)and now is trying to come >> in and teach, too, somehow? It's not clear from what you wrote. >> What is clear is that there's a big communication issue that >> has to be addressed! At your school do you have a process for >> this type of situation- someone to mediate if you have tried >> and tried to talk professionally and it's just not working? >> Lastly, I'm starting to document everything much more than I >> used to. Do you have student work samples from these past >> lessons you can pull, or testimonials from other teachers- any >> kind of "data" you have in place to justify why YOU are the >> one who needs to teach this, and in the library. With that, >> maybe you can then offer a couple suggestions that integrate >> what you already teach so successfully with something this >> person can do to extend the learning? >> Good luck!! Yuck- what a way to start a new school year, >> sorry! >> On 8/29/12, Sarah wrote: >>> What do you do when another teacher (not classroom) tries >>> to take lessons that you have taught for 5 years in the >>> library. When they offer to teach something and you tell >>> them I teach that every year in my library (especially) >>> when you need it taught a certain way. What do you do when >>> you are told to run a program and the same person wants to >>> take over parts of it.

Aug 31, 2012

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Sarah She actually seems to not know that Librarians know anything about technology. If that gives you an idea.

On 8/31/12, a Sarah, 2 :) wrote: > Hi, Sarah- I'm a Sarah, also. In my district when we teach students > (what ages are yours?) how to use the online "card" catalog it is > tied to broader information literacy lessons- for exa...See MoreShe actually seems to not know that Librarians know anything about technology. If that gives you an idea.

On 8/31/12, a Sarah, 2 :) wrote: > Hi, Sarah- I'm a Sarah, also. In my district when we teach students > (what ages are yours?) how to use the online "card" catalog it is > tied to broader information literacy lessons- for example, why they > should begin with books we have right there at school for a report > on tigers (I'm elementary) rather than a Google search. (3 results, > maybe, in their reading level, 1 with an AR test with the online > catalog search, versus 3 million or whatever, from Google.) > In your district are you teaching from any kind of standards? > Especially now, with the Common Core there is a distinction between > technology as its used for a productivity tool and information > literacy like your lessons. If your conversations with the > technology teacher (who is setting that curriculum?)are going > nowhere (like why he or she specifically wants to 'teach' the online > catalog) they should have to have some written justification why. > What about your principal? Adding to the advice below, this should > be a positive opportunity to collaborate (with suggestions from YOU > as the expert on how the technology lesson can extend the learning) > instead of a frustrating power struggle benefiting nobody. > On 8/30/12, Sarah wrote: >> One lesson involves the electronic card catalog and AR testing >> and my lessons relate it to where to find things in the library--- >> it is a technology teacher. I never asked for any help. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/29/12, a couple possibilities wrote: >>> Dear Sarah, >>> The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is >>> about. It sounds like it has become an integral part of your >>> library program during the year. Is it Information Literacy >>> which is more typically taught by us in the library, or maybe >>> a particular book you have developed for literacy >>> instruction? >>> Is it your administrator who has told you to "run" the >>> library (if s/he is not a classroom teacher, then are they an >>> aide? another specialist? or what?!)and now is trying to come >>> in and teach, too, somehow? It's not clear from what you wrote. >>> What is clear is that there's a big communication issue that >>> has to be addressed! At your school do you have a process for >>> this type of situation- someone to mediate if you have tried >>> and tried to talk professionally and it's just not working? >>> Lastly, I'm starting to document everything much more than I >>> used to. Do you have student work samples from these past >>> lessons you can pull, or testimonials from other teachers- any >>> kind of "data" you have in place to justify why YOU are the >>> one who needs to teach this, and in the library. With that, >>> maybe you can then offer a couple suggestions that integrate >>> what you already teach so successfully with something this >>> person can do to extend the learning? >>> Good luck!! Yuck- what a way to start a new school year, >>> sorry! >>> On 8/29/12, Sarah wrote: >>>> What do you do when another teacher (not classroom) tries >>>> to take lessons that you have taught for 5 years in the >>>> library. When they offer to teach something and you tell >>>> them I teach that every year in my library (especially) >>>> when you need it taught a certain way. What do you do when >>>> you are told to run a program and the same person wants to >>>> take over parts of it.

Sep 1, 2012

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Sarah, some more So she sounds like a very difficult person to work with! If she is impossible to talk to on a professional level, hopefully you have a process in your building for mediation support? Again, I assume she is working from a curriculum, presumably tied to tech standards. Those can include information literacy, but if there's a librarian to teach it the...See MoreSo she sounds like a very difficult person to work with! If she is impossible to talk to on a professional level, hopefully you have a process in your building for mediation support? Again, I assume she is working from a curriculum, presumably tied to tech standards. Those can include information literacy, but if there's a librarian to teach it the assumption would be you are the expert! It really does sound like you need help and support from someone higher up the chain of command to deal with it. Good luck!

On 9/01/12, Sarah wrote: > She actually seems to not know that Librarians know anything about > technology. If that gives you an idea. > > > > On 8/31/12, a Sarah, 2 :) wrote: >> Hi, Sarah- I'm a Sarah, also. In my district when we teach students >> (what ages are yours?) how to use the online "card" catalog it is >> tied to broader information literacy lessons- for example, why they >> should begin with books we have right there at school for a report >> on tigers (I'm elementary) rather than a Google search. (3 results, >> maybe, in their reading level, 1 with an AR test with the online >> catalog search, versus 3 million or whatever, from Google.) >> In your district are you teaching from any kind of standards? >> Especially now, with the Common Core there is a distinction between >> technology as its used for a productivity tool and information >> literacy like your lessons. If your conversations with the >> technology teacher (who is setting that curriculum?)are going >> nowhere (like why he or she specifically wants to 'teach' the online >> catalog) they should have to have some written justification why. >> What about your principal? Adding to the advice below, this should >> be a positive opportunity to collaborate (with suggestions from YOU >> as the expert on how the technology lesson can extend the learning) >> instead of a frustrating power struggle benefiting nobody. >> On 8/30/12, Sarah wrote: >>> One lesson involves the electronic card catalog and AR testing >>> and my lessons relate it to where to find things in the library--- >>> it is a technology teacher. I never asked for any help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/29/12, a couple possibilities wrote: >>>> Dear Sarah, >>>> The first thing I wonder is what this lesson (lessons?) is >>>> about. It sounds like it has become an integral part of your >>>> library program during the year. Is it Information Literacy >>>> which is more typically taught by us in the library, or maybe >>>> a particular book you have developed for literacy >>>> instruction? >>>> Is it your administrator who has told you to "run" the >>>> library (if s/he is not a classroom teacher, then are they an >>>> aide? another specialist? or what?!)and now is trying to come >>>> in and teach, too, somehow? It's not clear from what you wrote. >>>> What is clear is that there's a big communication issue that >>>> has to be addressed! At your school do you have a process for >>>> this type of situation- someone to mediate if you have tried >>>> and tried to talk professionally and it's just not working? >>>> Lastly, I'm starting to document everything much more than I >>>> used to. Do you have student work samples from these past >>>> lessons you can pull, or testimonials from other teachers- any >>>> kind of "data" you have in place to justify why YOU are the >>>> one who needs to teach this, and in the library. With that, >>>> maybe you can then offer a couple suggestions that integrate >>>> what you already teach so successfully with something this >>>> person can do to extend the learning? >>>> Good luck!! Yuck- what a way to start a new school year, >>>> sorry! >>>> On 8/29/12, Sarah wrote: >>>>> What do you do when another teacher (not classroom) tries >>>>> to take lessons that you have taught for 5 years in the >>>>> library. When they offer to teach something and you tell >>>>> them I teach that every year in my library (especially) >>>>> when you need it taught a certain way. What do you do when >>>>> you are told to run a program and the same person wants to >>>>> take over parts of it.

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