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misleading climate data

by AW to TEC

Feb 8, 2017

whistleblower claims NOAA knowingly published misleading data.

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A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

The report claimed that the ‘pause’ or ‘slowdown’ in global warming in the period since 1998 – revealed by UN scientists in 2013 – never existed, and that world temperatures had been rising faster than scientists expected. Launched by NOAA with a public relations fanfare, it was splashed across the world’s media, and cited repeatedly by politicians and policy makers.

But the whistleblower, Dr John Bates, a top NOAA scientist with an impeccable reputation, has shown irrefutable evidence that the pape...See More

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T.E.C. - Iowa I can understand how those who do not follow the science of climate change might think the sensational headline is news, but those who follow the science know the back story.

The issue was not the pause in climate change that caused the pause to disappear. The pause disappeared as scientists were working with more accurate methods of measu...See More

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Ike Newton On 2/08/17, T.E.C. - Iowa wrote: > I can understand how those who do not follow the science of > climate change might think the sensational headline is news, > but those who follow the science know the back story. > > The issue was not the pause in climate change that caused the > pause to disappear. The pause disappeared as scien...See More

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Resist the corruption of science On 2/08/17, T.E.C. - Iowa wrote: > I can understand how those who do not follow the science of > climate change might think the sensational headline is news, > but those who follow the science know the back story. > > The issue was not the pause in climate change that caused the > pause to disappear. The pause disappeared as scien...See More

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well but then how does this figure in the great flood.

You said, "There is now pretty good agreement that sea level rise will be the first to cause major problems. So, a worst case scenario, about 13,000 years ago, sea level started to rise at a rate of one meter (~3 feet) every 20 years,

A guy named Ballard, said," some 12,000 years ago, much of the world ...See More

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T.E.C. - Iowa Sometimes I remember things but not where I read them. Such was the case with the 20-meter sea level rise over 400 years. It took a little doing to find it! However, I was wrong about one part. It was not 13,000 years ago! It was 14,000 years ago.

For a reference, just go to the article, "A Slippery Slope: How Much Global Warming Cons...See MoreSometimes I remember things but not where I read them. Such was the case with the 20-meter sea level rise over 400 years. It took a little doing to find it! However, I was wrong about one part. It was not 13,000 years ago! It was 14,000 years ago.

For a reference, just go to the article, "A Slippery Slope: How Much Global Warming Constitutes 'Dangerous Anthropogenic Interference'?" by James E. Hansen of NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and you will find this:

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Consider the situation during past ice sheet disintegrations. In melt-water pulse 1A, about 14,000 years ago, sea level rose about 20 meters in approximately 400 years (Kienast et al., 2003). That is an average of 1 meter of sea level rise every 20 years. The nature of glacier disintegration required for delivery of that much water from the ice sheets to the ocean would be spectacular (5 cm of sea level, the mean annual change, is about 15,000 cubic kilometers of water). “Explosively” would be an apt description, if future ice sheet disintegration were to occur at a substantial fraction of the melt-water pulse 1A rate.

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About the "Four hundred feet below the surface (of the Black Sea), they unearthed an ancient shoreline." Yes, there is a theory that says that the Black Sea basin was once dry and it flooded catastrophically. This may be the origin of the Biblical Flood.

However, this was not a world wide flood and there has never been such a thing, because there is not enough water on the planet. Then again, you may wish to pretend that some God created extra water as the flood started and then had the water disappear as the flood receded. Do not expect scientists to accept this idea because you are violating the Law of Conservation of Matter at both the beginning and end of the flood.

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On to the climate change deniers! A poster wrote, "If someone requires Blind Faith in science in order to be considered modern." It is not so much blind faith as knowing who the experts are and listening to them. I can follow most of what they say. However, I do not - ever - pretend to have their expertise. So I listen to what they say. Climate change deniers, on the other hand, are described by this quote from Isaac Asimov:

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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

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And the last quote, "go ahead and explain why temperature records taken by scientists have to be changed." This poster does not understand that data is not used in its raw form. It must be interpreted. Yet there are rules to follow, and if done correctly, the other scientists will find it acceptable.

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