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About Russian and the DNC!

by T.E.C. - Iowa

Aug 28, 2017

This is for those who are still certain that it was the Russians who hack the DNC. The title of the article is, "A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year's DNC Hack."

The article quotes the report as follows"

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There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee's system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC's system. This casts serious doubt on the initial "hack," as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting t...See More

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

The Nation | thenation.com

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T.E.C. - Iowa It is clear!! Some people could not think of an alternative explanation if their life depended on it. The American government, which is run and owned by the oligarchs of this country, wants to label RT as Russian propaganda. This is no surprise to me. But it seems that it would never cross the mind of Chalky that the American government does not wa...See MoreIt is clear!! Some people could not think of an alternative explanation if their life depended on it. The American government, which is run and owned by the oligarchs of this country, wants to label RT as Russian propaganda. This is no surprise to me. But it seems that it would never cross the mind of Chalky that the American government does not want you to listen to any source of information - EXCEPT THEM!

Plus, this assumes that the American government is trustworthy! Wow, is that a laugh. This is the government that lied us into Iraq, baled out the bankers instead of the citizens in 2008, would not prosecute a single big banker, has passed laws that pumps jobs out of this country, and on and on it goes. And Chalky wants to trust them over RT.

Yet, let me give some examples of RT . . . well, information or propaganda.

1. RT says the US being in Syria is a violation of international law while Russia's presence is not! The US media is silent on international law!

2. America along with NATO conducts war games on Russia's border and the US media declares such action is "not provocative." On the other hand, when Russia conducts war games INSIDE Russia near its own border, the US media calls it "very provocative."

3. Because of the current crisis, RT says the CIA is in Venezuela trying to overthrow the government. The US news media is silent!

4. The American media says Korea is a nuclear threat. RT says that Korea has simply learned the lesson of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and more. If you do not have a nuclear weapon, America will invade.

5. American media emphasizes that Pres. Trump is saying "all the cards are on the table". RT is saying, America will do nothing, because China has already said it will side with North Korea. Plus, RT says Pres Trump's bluster and subsequent "doing nothing" makes America look like a "paper tiger." The American media is always delusional about America's greatness.

I do not know why Chalky is afraid to watch RT. It is like refusing to listen to one side of an argument! Plus, Chalky does not seem to understand that it has long been true that "One person's truth is another person's propaganda!"

Finding the real truth requires listening to all of the information.

Sep 12, 2017

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Bob R/CA It's a common myth that Stalin once called Americans "useful idiots." But he sure could have about some of them.

Sep 12, 2017

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T.E.C. - Iowa Hey Bob, why don't you try dealing with the issues? I gave five examples, and all I get from you is some vague comment about useful idiots. What you have done is engage in name calling without a shred of intellectually addressing the topic at hand!

Simply put, your post is lame!

PS: Useful idiot was "supposedly" from Vladimir Leni...See More

Sep 12, 2017

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Bob R/CA Here's a fact for you - the most damaging information (that Russia provably disseminated) was gained not from the DNC servers, but from the Podesta phishing incident.

Here's another fact: the Nation's claim that it couldn't have been Russian hackers, is full of holes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/08/1...See MoreHere's a fact for you - the most damaging information (that Russia provably disseminated) was gained not from the DNC servers, but from the Podesta phishing incident.

Here's another fact: the Nation's claim that it couldn't have been Russian hackers, is full of holes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/08/15/the-nation-is-reviewing-a-story-casting-doubt-on-russian-hack-of-dnc/?utm_term=.584dc5bd8f02

Here's a third fact - even if the data wasn't gained by a hack, it was still removed from the DNC servers, in a classic espionage style maneuver, and ended up directly in the hands of the Russians.

Which brings up a fourth inconvenient truth - no matter what you claim about the DNC hack, Russia was caught dead to rights hacking into election machines, meeting with the Trump team to pilfer the hacked information, and then aggressively used the hacked information to turn the tide of the election toward Trump. By "aggressively" I mean they not only pushed the information through their propaganda network (don't even pretend that's not what Russia has and does), they also augmented it with a veritable mountain of fake news, and expended large sums of cash and human resources building mechanical and human troll armies to push the information into the US political cycle.

It was reported this week that a Russian spy was caught bragging "US spies slept when Russian intelligence stole the presidency of the United States," Vyacheslav Nikonov said on a panel show Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/09/12/13/42/putin-offsider-vyacheslav-nikonov-boasts-rigging-us-election-tv-trump-clinton

The CIA concluded the Putin himself ordered the interference.

Another fact: US spies caught a Russian military-intelligence officer bragging about causing chaos in the upcoming US election six months before the vote, according to a new Time magazine cover story by Massimo Calabresi.

You're the guy who walks through a hurricane zone, and sees one house standing up among 99 destroyed, and concludes "the hurricane was a hoax!" And you're not alone. But at least the other guy evacuates when he hears the hurricane is coming, no matter how much he insists over his shoulder it's a hoax.

Opinion | The Nation is reviewing a story casting doubt on Russian hack of DNC

Story from the left-leaning publication earned fans on the right.

Washington Post | washingtonpost.com

Sep 13, 2017

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T.E.C. - Iowa Gee Bob, you link me too an article that starts with "Opinion." The truth is, there is still no publicly available information that demonstrates that Russia "significantly" impacted the election.

But some points:

I have consistently said that all nations mettle in other nations elections - when they can! We are the stupid ones for...See MoreGee Bob, you link me too an article that starts with "Opinion." The truth is, there is still no publicly available information that demonstrates that Russia "significantly" impacted the election.

But some points:

I have consistently said that all nations mettle in other nations elections - when they can! We are the stupid ones for not securing our elections.

I have consistently said that we have bigger problems with Israel then we could ever have with Russia.

I have consistently said our elections are not sacred or fair as demonstrated by gerrymandering, caging, electronic voting machines, and more.

I have consistently said that American elections mean little to nothing regarding policy. That is, elections don't mean squat as was demonstrated by the study, " Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens" which says:

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Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

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In the face of this, your and others Russia hysteria is pointless, counter productive, and you are being suckered by the Military Industrial Complex. You are supporting the creation of a New Cold War that will cost trillions.

But more to the point, Trump started his presidency with the idea that we should talk to Russia and work with them when we can. Both the democrats and the republicans wanted none of this, because it gets in the way of the money people extracting money from the US Treasury.

Thus they have demonized Russia, and you have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. We will have their New Cold War and America will continue to have crappy health care, education, infrastructure, and an economy that makes people poorer and poorer.

PS: Hillary is a criminal as demonstrated by her rigging of the primary - yet you support her. You need to decide that right and wrong is more important than your tribalism.

Sep 13, 2017

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