I begin my teaching career in the fall as a PK teacher of 3's and 4's at a small Catholic school. It's a full-day schedule 8:30 - 3:30. Just wanted to get an idea of other PK class schedules. Also could use some suggestions for great PK music for movement and learning. Thanks! MK
The...See MoreOn 6/03/09, Mary Kathryn wrote: > I begin my teaching career in the fall as a PK teacher of > 3's and 4's at a small Catholic school. It's a full-day > schedule 8:30 - 3:30. Just wanted to get an idea of other > PK class schedules. Also could use some suggestions for > great PK music for movement and learning. Thanks! MK
There's a thread on both schedules and suggested CDs on the PK board.
One thing I'd suggest, since you're in a parochial school, is to get God's Children Sing. This is a Preschool music curriculum, designed for Christian schools, Sunday Schools, and private teachers, and is well worth the money. There are home materials which parents can purchase optionally, or just get the teacher's kit. It will give you the framework for a strong PK music/movement curriculum which is developmentally appropriate (much "children's" music is great for listening, but not for young children to sing.)
I'm not Catholic and I teach in a Catholic School. I teach science, not religion.
If you taught in an elementary school, I think it would be more difficult. We say prayers in my class and I go to Mass with my homeroom students. It's really not a big deal. There are only a few major differences between Catholics and Protestant. I know which areas are "hot topics" and try to avoid them. (Not always easy with high school students.)
BTW - I am licensed and certified to teach all my classes. Actually that may be why the keep me... I have a physics certification ;-)
Zodea
On 8/11/12, MaryAnn wrote: > I'm wondering what you have to know about the Catholic religion to > teach in a Catholic school. I would love to teach in any private > school but, aside from daily prayers, is there much teaching of > religion? I am Catholic but don't feel qualified to teach religion - > any religion - to kids. Do I have a shot of landing a job in a > parochial school with this dismal lack of "religion skills"? > > 8/11/12, I am certified AND teach in a Catholic School wrote: >> I am bothered by a couple comments here. First, it sounds as though >> private schools do not hold the same standards for hiring qualified, >> certified teachers. This is not true in my situation. The diocese I >> work for requires ALL teachers to be certified to teach before they >> are hired. It isn't a "take a class now and in three months after >> your teaching job begins and you get certified, you're "good to go". >> No, we MUST be licensed first. So, please don't paint a broad brush >> by giving the impression that ALL private schools don't require >> licensure. Mine does. >> >> Secondly, not all certifications ensure the teacher is a great >> teacher. Teaching is 90% interaction and 10% content teaching. A >> "certified teacher" could know everything in the world they need to >> know about a specific subject, but if they can't relay that >> information to students, get them to understand and apply it to >> their lives, then they are NOT teaching. I work with a teacher who >> is certified, but for the last four years hasn't done a damn bit of >> "teaching" because she doesn't engage or understand the students, >> the parents dislike her, and she basically sets them on a book and >> tells them to take notes, answer questions and take a quiz. Oh, this >> is a SCIENCE class. NO labs, no experiments, no NOTHING. Yet somehow >> the state has deemed her 'certified'. >> >> Lastly, college professors DO have their "certifications" so to >> speak, in the form of Master's degrees or Ph.D.s, It's just called a >> degree, but it qualifies them as being able to work with adults (big >> difference - licensure and certification means working with >> children). Also, anyone with a law degree can work in a university, >> because the JD is basically a Ph.D., without the Masters to bridge. >> I have a girlfriend who was a JD and became a college professor, but >> then had to go BACK and get her Masters. >> >> On 8/20/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>> You did not read carefully. I never wrote that teacher education >>> or the study of education is not beneficial. What I wrote is that >>> "certification" as a teacher is not necessary to be a fantastic >>> teacher. There is a difference. Plenty of people study the field >>> of education but do not pursue certification after they are done >>> studying. Some become teachers, and some go on to work in the >>> field of education beyond the classroom. >>> I did attend an ivy-league school, and that is where I learned in >>> a fantastic teacher education program not to be fooled: public >>> education has evolved into a huge industry with lots of people, >>> publishers, companies, etc relying on the public education system >>> for their incomes at it's heart. If it were all about the kids >>> there would be no union, lobbyists, etc. >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/09, Ooii wrote: >>>> True, there are good teachers who are not certified. Just >>>> like there are good pastors who have not gone to >>>> seminary. And good artists who haven't gone to art >>>> school. But I think that the purpose of teacher >>>> certification goes far beyond "supporting a great >>>> business." (Was the person who wrote that article burned >>>> by a bad teacher's ed program or something?) >>>> >>>> Here are some of the things I got out of my education >>>> program: >>>> >>>> -A chance to observe and practice numerous teaching >>>> methods in a variety of school settings, including inner- >>>> city schools, suburban schools, an expeditionary school, >>>> and a head-start type program. >>>> >>>> -A chance to interact with collegues from many different >>>> school backgrounds. This lead to an extensive, on-going >>>> exchange of ideas. >>>> >>>> -The opportunity to learn a variety of methods for >>>> teaching reading, writing, and math. If students are not >>>> successful with one method, I am able to try a different >>>> one. >>>> >>>> -Methods for recognizing common special needs and >>>> accomodating students with those needs in my classroom, as >>>> well as where to find resources to support the families of >>>> the students. >>>> >>>> -At the end of my certification program, I was given the >>>> opportunity for a mock interview with a retired principal, >>>> and then critiqued and offered suggestions. The college >>>> also offered me on-going job search support in their post- >>>> grad office. >>>> >>>> I did not go to an expensive ivy-league college. I went >>>> to the cheapest four-year college in my state. >>>> >>>> Sure, people can be great teachers without the >>>> certification. And I don't think someone should be hired >>>> just because they have the certification. >>>> >>>> But teacher education can add some great tools to >>>> someone's teaching. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/14/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>>>> Why Certification? >>>>> 1. A government requirement for people who desire to >>>>> teach in government operated public schools receiving >>>>> government monies. They realized they could make money >>>>> on people wanting those jobs. >>>>> >>>>> 2. To standardize the way education is provided in >>>>> government funded schools by setting the standards so >>>>> all students would receive a similar education. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Because the powers that be determined certification >>>>> would be the way to guarantee that teachers have the >>>>> minimal skills required, and that would be enough to >>>>> teach in public schools. >>>>> >>>>> 4. To support a great business: colleges make money >>>>> preparing the teachers, the states make money granting >>>>> certifications, teachers get jobs and support teachers >>>>> unions, etc. It's all about business at the core. >>>>> >>>>> 5. A better question: If the top, elite, boarding and >>>>> private schools in the country do not require a teacher >>>>> to be state certified, but instead rely on the >>>>> scholarship and practices of the individuals teaching, >>>>> and in turn those students go on to some of the most >>>>> elite colleges and universities in the country/world, >>>>> why do we think teachers need state certification >>>>> saying only that they have the minimal skills necessary >>>>> to teach the kids that can't afford elite schools and >>>>> have to be educated in public schools? If uncertified >>>>> teachers have the results they do at so many incredible >>>>> schools, they MUST be doing a LOT right (and I am >>>>> talking from K through high school here!) Luckily, the >>>>> government does not have the monopoly on education, and >>>>> therefore, private schools can set even higher >>>>> standards than just certification to get teaching jobs. >>>>> Hard to really admit, yes. Basically true, yes. Why >>>>> don't more people realize this; because we have all >>>>> been taught to think the way the government wants us to >>>>> to support the business of education in this country. >>>>> If certification is so crucial to true teaching, why >>>>> don't college professors have to be certified? Think >>>>> about it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/14/09, e payton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Then why do we need certification? e payotn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/06/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/06/09, scary wrote: >>>>>>>> Yikes! Two uncertified teachers in one classroom! >>>>>>>> Do any of you think that the shrinking >>>>>>>> enrollments have anything to do with this sort of >>>>>>>> practice? I would not send my child into a >>>>>>>> classroom with unqualified personnel... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you assume uncertified teachers will not be >>>>>>> talented or do a fantastic job? I hold 2 >>>>>>> certifications, yet I realize that plenty of very >>>>>>> talented individuals can be outstanding teachers >>>>>>> without certification. Think of college professors >>>>>>> - I had fantastic ones, yet they didn't go to >>>>>>> school to "get certified" to teach - they >>>>>>> shared their knowledge and skills and therefore >>>>>>> were teachers. Certified teachers are not the only >>>>>>> ones who have intelligence, knowledge, and a gift >>>>>>> for teaching and working with students! Get over >>>>>>> that old idea! I would rather have my children >>>>>>> taught by a skilled, talented, enthusiastic >>>>>>> uncertified teacher versus a mediocre certified one >>>>>>> any day!
The dioceses are fairly strict about that, but they also understand that most teachers these days don't include religion in their education.
Besides, any good quality teacher can teach a subject, as long as the content is given to them.
Go for it!
On 8/11/12, MaryAnn wrote: > I'm wondering what you have to know about the Catholic religion to > teach in a Catholic school. I would love to teach in any private > school but, aside from daily prayers, is there much teaching of > religion? I am Catholic but don't feel qualified to teach religion - > any religion - to kids. Do I have a shot of landing a job in a > parochial school with this dismal lack of "religion skills"? > > 8/11/12, I am certified AND teach in a Catholic School wrote: >> I am bothered by a couple comments here. First, it sounds as though >> private schools do not hold the same standards for hiring qualified, >> certified teachers. This is not true in my situation. The diocese I >> work for requires ALL teachers to be certified to teach before they >> are hired. It isn't a "take a class now and in three months after >> your teaching job begins and you get certified, you're "good to go". >> No, we MUST be licensed first. So, please don't paint a broad brush >> by giving the impression that ALL private schools don't require >> licensure. Mine does. >> >> Secondly, not all certifications ensure the teacher is a great >> teacher. Teaching is 90% interaction and 10% content teaching. A >> "certified teacher" could know everything in the world they need to >> know about a specific subject, but if they can't relay that >> information to students, get them to understand and apply it to >> their lives, then they are NOT teaching. I work with a teacher who >> is certified, but for the last four years hasn't done a damn bit of >> "teaching" because she doesn't engage or understand the students, >> the parents dislike her, and she basically sets them on a book and >> tells them to take notes, answer questions and take a quiz. Oh, this >> is a SCIENCE class. NO labs, no experiments, no NOTHING. Yet somehow >> the state has deemed her 'certified'. >> >> Lastly, college professors DO have their "certifications" so to >> speak, in the form of Master's degrees or Ph.D.s, It's just called a >> degree, but it qualifies them as being able to work with adults (big >> difference - licensure and certification means working with >> children). Also, anyone with a law degree can work in a university, >> because the JD is basically a Ph.D., without the Masters to bridge. >> I have a girlfriend who was a JD and became a college professor, but >> then had to go BACK and get her Masters. >> >> On 8/20/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>> You did not read carefully. I never wrote that teacher education >>> or the study of education is not beneficial. What I wrote is that >>> "certification" as a teacher is not necessary to be a fantastic >>> teacher. There is a difference. Plenty of people study the field >>> of education but do not pursue certification after they are done >>> studying. Some become teachers, and some go on to work in the >>> field of education beyond the classroom. >>> I did attend an ivy-league school, and that is where I learned in >>> a fantastic teacher education program not to be fooled: public >>> education has evolved into a huge industry with lots of people, >>> publishers, companies, etc relying on the public education system >>> for their incomes at it's heart. If it were all about the kids >>> there would be no union, lobbyists, etc. >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/09, Ooii wrote: >>>> True, there are good teachers who are not certified. Just >>>> like there are good pastors who have not gone to >>>> seminary. And good artists who haven't gone to art >>>> school. But I think that the purpose of teacher >>>> certification goes far beyond "supporting a great >>>> business." (Was the person who wrote that article burned >>>> by a bad teacher's ed program or something?) >>>> >>>> Here are some of the things I got out of my education >>>> program: >>>> >>>> -A chance to observe and practice numerous teaching >>>> methods in a variety of school settings, including inner- >>>> city schools, suburban schools, an expeditionary school, >>>> and a head-start type program. >>>> >>>> -A chance to interact with collegues from many different >>>> school backgrounds. This lead to an extensive, on-going >>>> exchange of ideas. >>>> >>>> -The opportunity to learn a variety of methods for >>>> teaching reading, writing, and math. If students are not >>>> successful with one method, I am able to try a different >>>> one. >>>> >>>> -Methods for recognizing common special needs and >>>> accomodating students with those needs in my classroom, as >>>> well as where to find resources to support the families of >>>> the students. >>>> >>>> -At the end of my certification program, I was given the >>>> opportunity for a mock interview with a retired principal, >>>> and then critiqued and offered suggestions. The college >>>> also offered me on-going job search support in their post- >>>> grad office. >>>> >>>> I did not go to an expensive ivy-league college. I went >>>> to the cheapest four-year college in my state. >>>> >>>> Sure, people can be great teachers without the >>>> certification. And I don't think someone should be hired >>>> just because they have the certification. >>>> >>>> But teacher education can add some great tools to >>>> someone's teaching. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/14/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>>>> Why Certification? >>>>> 1. A government requirement for people who desire to >>>>> teach in government operated public schools receiving >>>>> government monies. They realized they could make money >>>>> on people wanting those jobs. >>>>> >>>>> 2. To standardize the way education is provided in >>>>> government funded schools by setting the standards so >>>>> all students would receive a similar education. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Because the powers that be determined certification >>>>> would be the way to guarantee that teachers have the >>>>> minimal skills required, and that would be enough to >>>>> teach in public schools. >>>>> >>>>> 4. To support a great business: colleges make money >>>>> preparing the teachers, the states make money granting >>>>> certifications, teachers get jobs and support teachers >>>>> unions, etc. It's all about business at the core. >>>>> >>>>> 5. A better question: If the top, elite, boarding and >>>>> private schools in the country do not require a teacher >>>>> to be state certified, but instead rely on the >>>>> scholarship and practices of the individuals teaching, >>>>> and in turn those students go on to some of the most >>>>> elite colleges and universities in the country/world, >>>>> why do we think teachers need state certification >>>>> saying only that they have the minimal skills necessary >>>>> to teach the kids that can't afford elite schools and >>>>> have to be educated in public schools? If uncertified >>>>> teachers have the results they do at so many incredible >>>>> schools, they MUST be doing a LOT right (and I am >>>>> talking from K through high school here!) Luckily, the >>>>> government does not have the monopoly on education, and >>>>> therefore, private schools can set even higher >>>>> standards than just certification to get teaching jobs. >>>>> Hard to really admit, yes. Basically true, yes. Why >>>>> don't more people realize this; because we have all >>>>> been taught to think the way the government wants us to >>>>> to support the business of education in this country. >>>>> If certification is so crucial to true teaching, why >>>>> don't college professors have to be certified? Think >>>>> about it! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/14/09, e payton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Then why do we need certification? e payotn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/06/09, certifiedteach wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/06/09, scary wrote: >>>>>>>> Yikes! Two uncertified teachers in one classroom! >>>>>>>> Do any of you think that the shrinking >>>>>>>> enrollments have anything to do with this sort of >>>>>>>> practice? I would not send my child into a >>>>>>>> classroom with unqualified personnel... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you assume uncertified teachers will not be >>>>>>> talented or do a fantastic job? I hold 2 >>>>>>> certifications, yet I realize that plenty of very >>>>>>> talented individuals can be outstanding teachers >>>>>>> without certification. Think of college professors >>>>>>> - I had fantastic ones, yet they didn't go to >>>>>>> school to "get certified" to teach - they >>>>>>> shared their knowledge and skills and therefore >>>>>>> were teachers. Certified teachers are not the only >>>>>>> ones who have intelligence, knowledge, and a gift >>>>>>> for teaching and working with students! Get over >>>>>>> that old idea! I would rather have my children >>>>>>> taught by a skilled, talented, enthusiastic >>>>>>> uncertified teacher versus a mediocre certified one >>>>>>> any day!
My name is Mike Schaefer and I am a doctoral student at Northcentral University. I will be conducting an online survey of elementary school teachers about character education curriculum for my doctoral dissertation. If you think you might be willing to participate in a simple 5 minute questionnaire online to help me out, please respond to this email and I will send you the link within the next 30 days, once the University approves my survey.
My name is Mike Schaefer and I am a doctoral student at Northcentral University. I am conducting a survey of public and private elementary school teachers about character education curriculum for my doctoral dissertation. If you think you might be willing to participate in a simple 5 minute questionnaire online to help me out, please respond to me by telling me that you are either a private or public school teacher and I will send you the link within the next 30 days, once the unversity approves my survey. I truly appreciate your support. Mike
On 6/09/09, Adm wrote: > Looking for opinions----my math teacher purposed having > the students able to do advanced math from each (7 and 8th) > grade come together--the rest of each class could have 2 > options---1. they to combine and do literature class > together 2. or each go to a special and rotate--they will > be together for PreAlegbra (which they would take separate > anyway)---has anyone tried this--opinions---how do you > think the parents will see it? Please share your thoughts?
On 6/16/09, Jean Bullock wrote: > How often are the s...See MoreOur 7/8 is combined for certain classes. They do humanities (lit/history) and vocabulary/composition together. The curriculum rotates each year-nothing is repeated. They also do science together-currciulum rotates each year.
They separate for math, logic, Latin, and music.
On 6/16/09, Jean Bullock wrote: > How often are the specials taught and what are they? > > > > On 6/09/09, Adm wrote: >> Looking for opinions----my math teacher purposed having >> the students able to do advanced math from each (7 and 8th) >> grade come together--the rest of each class could have 2 >> options---1. they to combine and do literature class >> together 2. or each go to a special and rotate--they will >> be together for PreAlegbra (which they would take separate >> anyway)---has anyone tried this--opinions---how do you >> think the parents will see it? Please share your thoughts?
On 6/10/09, Mike Schaefer wrote: > My name is Mike Schaefer, and I am a doctoral candidate at > Northcentral Univeristy. I am trying to prove the > importance of Character Education in our schools by > comparing Public to Private. I have currently developed a > survey and will post it online as soon as the University > approve it. I am overwhelmed by Public school participants > but am having a hard time getting private school > participants. I would truly appreciate it if you would > email me and agree to participate once the survey is > approved. I need your voice to be heard. Thank you. Mike
PatIn our policy manual to parents we tell them students will: * receive a report card each quarter * grades will be reviewed every three weeks and parents will be notified of anything under a C- * if it is an athlete they have two weeks to bring up the grade or be put on the bench - they have three tries then they are off sports for the rest of the y...See MoreIn our policy manual to parents we tell them students will: * receive a report card each quarter * grades will be reviewed every three weeks and parents will be notified of anything under a C- * if it is an athlete they have two weeks to bring up the grade or be put on the bench - they have three tries then they are off sports for the rest of the year Our approach to interventions and academic probation are: * if there are a number of grades below C- or it is ongoing we complete an academic probation and have a meeting with student and parent who both sign the form * the probation is given a review date (usually 4 weeks) to see if there has been improvement * we work with the student but if we don't see improvement we will ask them to leave - it takes awhile to get there and parents are warned that it might happen during the meeting (not the first) * all teachers are required to do at least one afternoon of tutoring - free to parents * we have a student intervention team (new still) (any input from others would be appreciated - I'm on this team) * this team could refer them to a special tutoring class if classroom interventions and regular tutoring are not working - also free to parents Our academic probation is not written in stone, it is very flexible and dependent upon the efforts of the student and attitude of the parents.
Hello! This fall I will be starting my 3rd year of teaching. I taught in a public school my first two and will now be teaching in a K-8 Catholic school. For those of you who have taught in both, what did you find to be the biggest difference between the two? Any advice or guidance? Thanks so much!
On 6/18/09, former catholic school teacher wrote: > On 6/16/09, Jean Bullock wrote: >> That is a pretty broad questions considering that every school >> is different. In both public and Catholic, everything >> depends on the faculty, administration, parents and students. >> >> However, the most outstanding thing is that God is allowed in >> the school and the teachers and administration are expected >> to support the formation of the Faith. >> >> ************************************************************ > > Just hope and pray that they do. In my last experience in > catholic schools, admin was more interested in placating parents > with money, the ones with the wall street values, rather than > the gospel ones. Beware! If you don't play along, they will come > after you with everything their money can buy
Well, coming out of both of these situations very recently, let me give you my two cents.
First of all, I am not Catholic and prior to last fall, I had no experience in teaching at a private school. I had completed all of my practicum experiences in public schools and had intended to student teach in another public school. Yet last summer (right before going into student teaching), I worked with the most phenomenal inner-city Catholic summer school program. There I met two teachers who were amazing in every sense of the word and I couldn't turn down their invitation to come student teach with them that fall.
The reason why I am sharing the background information is that prior to working with this summer school program (and later student teaching with them), I had such a terrible prejudice against working in a Catholic school. All of my professors had warned us against working in one because of the typically atrocious pay, the lack of job security (at least in my hometown, where these schools close up left and right) and for the fact that the archdiocese has its own set of curriculum standards. But let me tell you this. Working at this particular school was THE best teaching experience I have ever had for several reasons.
First, there is something to be said about teaching in an environment where there is a moral code of conduct. Most parents, although they can sometimes be difficult, recognize that their child must fall into line with the teachings of the church. And I'm sure that sounds like really backward thinking but it really will make your life so much easier. Also, I don't know about your school, but at mine there was no such thing as an achievement test. I'm sure this sounds horrible, especially for a recent graduate to say, but I feel like there is WAY too much emphasis on THE test in most public schools. When I taught in the private school, I taught with hands-on activities every day and my students were so engaged. I could also give homework and know that it would be completed by 95% of the students. Without THE test present in my school, the entire atmosphere was also markedly different from many of the public schools where I have taught. I was able to take my students on trips and we did a lot of community outreach, which had really positive effects.
Okay, so those are all of the benefits (in my opinion) of working in a private school. Of course there are a few things to consider. If your school is anything like where I'm from, the pay is significantly less. I was really fortunate this spring in that I had two job offers- one from the private school where I student taught and one from a public school. I wish I could tell you that I took the private school job but when it came down to it, I couldn't turn down an extra $13,000 a year. In addition, our private schools here don't pay into the state teacher retirement system. If your school doesn't do this, you will want to look into your own retirement options. I'm not sure what your personal beliefs are, but you will also be expected to adhere to the teachings of the church. Even if you disagree with something that seems like a minor detail, you should not share your personal opinion with your students. Finally, and here's something that is probably universal in all small schools, be careful about what you say and who you say it to. At my school, the parents were awesome. They were also all best friends. You could bet that if you said something to one parent, it would spread to virtually all of them by the next day. Just remember that rumors are harder to prevent in small, tight-knit schools so be very aware of what you say and how you say it.
I hope this helps. Even though I turned a teaching position from it down, I loved my private school. If you have taught in public schools and are moving to a private school, I think it will be a much easier transition than doing it the other way around. One final tidbit- Remember that you will probably be expected to sign up for more activities at a private school than at your public schools because these schools are typically smaller with a smaller staff.
Good luck! :)
On 6/16/09, Rose wrote: > Hello! This fall I will be starting my 3rd year of > teaching. I taught in a public school my first two and > will now be teaching in a K-8 Catholic school. For those of > you who have taught in both, what did you find to be the > biggest difference between the two? Any advice or > guidance? Thanks so much!
I was under the impression that I had completed this. Then--I get a letter in the mail saying that I was not going to be hired for the next school year, because I did not complete my Religion Courses. Needless to say - I was shocked!
During the past 20 years,I have taken many Religion Courses.
Unfortunately,I did not keep the paper work. They not have the paper work either. This school year, they told me that I do not have all of the courses.So, I immediately started making Arrangements to take these. I was even registered for a course.
Then -came the letter. Besides all of this, there is already someone assigned to my class.
I can't understand how this has happened. After all these years of devoted service, I am now laid-off. I feel as though I am lost. This is all I know and want. I love my job!
I have contacted the superintent, but she is not giving me any info. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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