HI all, I'm currently a high school math teacher and have been for 6 years. I'm looking to move on. Not only to do I want to move states, but I'm thinking of community college. I have a masters. I'm just not sure of what kind of adjustment it would be. Thanks for any info that can be provided.
It would be important to find out about tenure and just how full the math department is. Another option if there is a university nearby would be to send your resume there, too, to teach as an adjunct if needed. In time if you do move on towards the PhD or ED you might find college teaching fulfilling, too.
As an aside, you might consider learning about excel and visual basic for applications to see all the nice things that can be plotted up and displayed using these programs. It might help in your marketability in time to a university.
Also do not be so sure that you will not have some input from parents in your higher level classes as more and more students are starting out in community college transfer programs within a state college system so you might find parents have a hard time understanding why "junior" must suddenly "work" to earn a great grade!!
On 11/17/11, John wrote: > HI all, > I'm currently a high school math teacher and have been for > 6 years. > I'm looking to move on. Not only to do I want to move > states, but I'm thinking of community college. I have a > masters. I'm just not sure of what kind of adjustment it > would be. > Thanks for any info that can be provided.
On 12/06/11, Other Options wrote: > At least you are considering a change with your eyes wide open > in terms of the pay reduction. It would be good to do some > research first to see what your teaching load would be, what > your time schedule might be as a new teacher, could you have > some high and low math classes, could you teach year-round if > you chose to? You should also easily be able to tutor and in > Math in a metro area now for the really advanced levels once > can make as much as $75 per hour on an individual basis with no > agency. Even in our more rural college town, you could easily > command $50 so this might be a way to supplement any drop in > income. > > It would be important to find out about tenure and just how > full the math department is. Another option if there is a > university nearby would be to send your resume there, too, to > teach as an adjunct if needed. In time if you do move on > towards the PhD or ED you might find college teaching > fulfilling, too. > > As an aside, you might consider learning about excel and visual > basic for applications to see all the nice things that can be > plotted up and displayed using these programs. It might help > in your marketability in time to a university. > > Also do not be so sure that you will not have some input from > parents in your higher level classes as more and more students > are starting out in community college transfer programs within > a state college system so you might find parents have a hard > time understanding why "junior" must suddenly "work" to earn a > great grade!! > > > > > On 11/17/11, John wrote: >> HI all, >> I'm currently a high school math teacher and have been for >> 6 years. >> I'm looking to move on. Not only to do I want to move >> states, but I'm thinking of community college. I have a >> masters. I'm just not sure of what kind of adjustment it >> would be. >> Thanks for any info that can be provided.
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Have you considered TESOL programs? In fact, you might be already qualified to work in a program that teaches English to students before they enroll in American colleges and universities.
A linguistics/Spanish/English composition mix would be VERY attractive to community colleges. You have a unique perspective on TESOL students.
On 12/15/11, marjoryt wrote: > Continue the linguistics angle; there aren't enough of us! > > Have you considered TESOL programs? In fact, you might be > already qualified to work in a program that teaches English to > students before they enroll in American colleges and > universities. > > A linguistics/Spanish/English composition mix would be VERY > attractive to community colleges. You have a unique > perspective on TESOL students. > >
Even though I don't have an advanced degree, I might be filling in for a teacher on maternity leave for the semester. I've never taught college before, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Just wondering if anyone could give me some info on becoming an online instructor on the college level. I am a teacher and nearing retirement. Is it something that anyone has done? Is it rewarding?, low paying?
MI love it but it would not pay the bills. I still teach full time and also teach 1-2 courses per semester online. Pay is infrequent and depends on the number of enrolled students. At my university 3 credit courses pay about 1800. If they are 16 week courses, I get paid twice in 3 months. If they are 8 week, not until the end of the 8 weeks. It requ...See MoreI love it but it would not pay the bills. I still teach full time and also teach 1-2 courses per semester online. Pay is infrequent and depends on the number of enrolled students. At my university 3 credit courses pay about 1800. If they are 16 week courses, I get paid twice in 3 months. If they are 8 week, not until the end of the 8 weeks. It requires some skills in online course software. My university required that instructors take an online course on the topic of teaching online (at my expense - later reimbursed but not for 3 months!) Finding courses to teach is a struggle. As someone not full time at the university, I don't attend faculty meetings or sit on committees. Therefore, I do not know the people who assign courses and I am pretty low on the totem pole. This semester I have no courses to teach but may be given a class if there is an overflow in the registration for an existing class and they have to open a second section. Since I have taught the course before, it's not a big deal, but if I were unfamiliar with the content and assigned the course in the eleventh hour, it would be stressful. You can't talk to the person who wrote the syllabus and designed the course to find out what they meant. Also, getting desk copies (reviewer copies) of the text book in time to read it and be an expert on it for your students is also challenging. I hate being stuck with a dud for a textbook that is incredibly expensive and impractical for students. The text is something you may not have control of but it will still be part of the course evaluation. And, I have had a few students who I suspect had big time issues (possible mental illness). One harassed and threatened me. Then (and I'm sure it was her) on the course evaluation, I was given the lowest possible ratings even though I bent over backwards to help her. She wrote comments like, "Instructor refused to help." I found this situation very stressful. Other students seem to lack the ability to write or perhaps have issues with time management and don't get assignments in on time. Not being able to talk with a student face-to-face means you don't know whether they are spinning a yarn (grandma died) or if they really have legitimate excuses for being late with work. Just my two cents - do it as a hobby but don't expect to be able to live off of what you make.
bernoulliOn 1/01/13, M wrote: > I love it but it would not pay the bills. I still teach > full time and also teach 1-2 courses per semester online. Pay > is infrequent and depends on the number of enrolled students. > At my university 3 credit courses pay about 1800. If they are > 16 week courses, I get paid twice in 3 months. If they are 8 &...See MoreOn 1/01/13, M wrote: > I love it but it would not pay the bills. I still teach > full time and also teach 1-2 courses per semester online. Pay > is infrequent and depends on the number of enrolled students. > At my university 3 credit courses pay about 1800. If they are > 16 week courses, I get paid twice in 3 months. If they are 8 > week, not until the end of the 8 weeks. > It requires some skills in online course software. My > university required that instructors take an online course on > the topic of teaching online (at my expense - later reimbursed > but not for 3 months!) > Finding courses to teach is a struggle. As someone not > full time at the university, I don't attend faculty meetings or > sit on committees. Therefore, I do not know the people who > assign courses and I am pretty low on the totem pole. This > semester I have no courses to teach but may be given a class if > there is an overflow in the registration for an existing class > and they have to open a second section. Since I have taught > the course before, it's not a big deal, but if I were > unfamiliar with the content and assigned the course in the > eleventh hour, it would be stressful. You can't talk to the > person who wrote the syllabus and designed the course to find > out what they meant. > Also, getting desk copies (reviewer copies) of the text > book in time to read it and be an expert on it for your > students is also challenging. I hate being stuck with a dud > for a textbook that is incredibly expensive and impractical for > students. The text is something you may not have control of > but it will still be part of the course evaluation. > And, I have had a few students who I suspect had big time > issues (possible mental illness). One harassed and threatened > me. Then (and I'm sure it was her) on the course evaluation, I > was given the lowest possible ratings even though I bent over > backwards to help her. She wrote comments like, "Instructor > refused to help." I found this situation very stressful. > Other students seem to lack the ability to write or perhaps > have issues with time management and don't get assignments in > on time. Not being able to talk with a student face-to-face > means you don't know whether they are spinning a yarn (grandma > died) or if they really have legitimate excuses for being late > with work. > Just my two cents - do it as a hobby but don't expect to > be able to live off of what you make.
The previous post gives a good reality check. I have taught hybrid courses at my regular university where I am tenured and really enjoyed it. However, I was given assigned time to develop the materials. I also taught a two-course sequence in a fully on-line MBA program at another university. Thankfully, I was compensated for developing the materials (37 narrated powerpoint presentations). Then I taught the sequence three times over a two year period. The teaching pay was very low and I did not find it enjoyable. I love messing with technology, but find the stimulation of face-to-face classes to be more rewarding.
Thankfully I took an on-line course in on-line teaching before I taught any of my hybrid or on-line courses. This is a MUST.
Threaded discussions are one of the mainstays of on-line teaching. There are a myriad of things you can do. Search around for ideas using threaded discussions.
Not mentioned yet--but very important--is to be responsive to on- line students. If they send you an email or text message, try to respond as immediately as you can with a thoughtful, helpful response. I always ended with something like: "I hope this helps...please let me know how it works out for you." The more immediate the responses, the more they appreciate it.
Sadly, many on-line degree programs admit unqualified students because they want the tuition revenue. Each case is different, but one seemingly common problem with those students is they have a tendency to not read your suggestions or follow them. Then later the act like they never got any feedback or knew there was anything wrong. Having some sort of points tracking system that very easily shows deficiencies is probably wise.
Try it but don't expect good pay per hour invested.
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1-the age factor 2-my fear of stud...See MoreAt 46 (going to be 47 in April), I have not been able to put aside my passion for earning a math degree. I have a B.A. in Sociology (earned in 1994). However, there is a real yearning in my life for a degree in mathematics that overtakes me everyday. There are two reasons why I do not seek another degree:
1-the age factor 2-my fear of student loans
Pell Grant and TAP will not pay for a second degree. This means, I must take out a student loan. I am afraid of loans. I am also embarrassed to be in a classroom with students much younger than I.
I can't stop going on youtube searching for math video clips and learning as much as possible about calculus, matrix equations, functions, etc. What is your advice? Am I too old to seek another degree? If not, what is the best student loan for me? Some have said the Stafford Loan; others tell me to take out a bank loan. I don't know what to do. Society wants young emplolyees. If I get the degree in math, I'll be in my early 50s. What do you say?
Then I would go to the school where you would want to get your degree - a second bachelors - unless there is a specialized certificate of some sort in a field that is possible to obtain. And I would see exactly what courses you would need to take and if all or how many might be mapped out to be done part-time in the evening so that you could keep your present job on a year-round basis. If you have a job where you can continue to build up a retirement benefit or even just keep your full-time salary and pay as much as possible for the part-time courses for as long as possible this might be a way to go. You need to consider how you can take on as little overall debt as possible and maximize any years and job experience you have. Another suggestion if it the idea of using math in a more technical job of some sort might also be to talk to counselors at the local community college or even vocational training center to see if there is any technical field that might provide you with the interest you seem to lack in your present job and involve math too, but take less time to achieve educational training in and have a real job possibility. So I guess I fall on the side of being realistic in "following one's dream" so you just don't dig yourself into a deep hole with no way out. Job satisfaction is important, but also as you indicate is being able to pay your bills and handle the future, too.
Our youngest daughter has a disability and in many ways because of her we stayed where we have been which did not really give my husband the opportunities that he might have had at other higher education institutions as an educator. But it was a decision based on many factors and not just on what he wanted to do. I commend him for this choice, but it did have an impact on his career.
On 1/18/12, Feliz wrote: > At 46 (going to be 47 in April), I have not been able to > put aside my passion for earning a math degree. I have a > B.A. in Sociology (earned in 1994). However, there is a > real yearning in my life for a degree in mathematics that > overtakes me everyday. There are two reasons why I do not > seek another degree: > > 1-the age factor > 2-my fear of student loans > > Pell Grant and TAP will not pay for a second degree. This > means, I must take out a student loan. I am afraid of > loans. I am also embarrassed to be in a classroom with > students much younger than I. > > I can't stop going on youtube searching for math video > clips and learning as much as possible about calculus, > matrix equations, functions, etc. What is your advice? Am > I too old to seek another degree? If not, what is the best > student loan for me? Some have said the Stafford Loan; > others tell me to take out a bank loan. I don't know what > to do. Society wants young emplolyees. If I get the degree > in math, I'll be in my early 50s. What do you say? >
FelizOn 2/07/12, Other Options wrote: > I have been thinking about it, and just saw in article that > Actuarials are one of the hottest jobs out there today. So I > think at your age, what you do will depend a lot on what kind > of a job/career you want to use a math degree for AND what are > the opportunities to do so where you live. So ...See MoreOn 2/07/12, Other Options wrote: > I have been thinking about it, and just saw in article that > Actuarials are one of the hottest jobs out there today. So I > think at your age, what you do will depend a lot on what kind > of a job/career you want to use a math degree for AND what are > the opportunities to do so where you live. So I would suggest > that you start with good career counseling first. > > Then I would go to the school where you would want to get your > degree - a second bachelors - unless there is a specialized > certificate of some sort in a field that is possible to obtain. > And I would see exactly what courses you would need to take > and if all or how many might be mapped out to be done part-time > in the evening so that you could keep your present job on a > year-round basis. If you have a job where you can continue to > build up a retirement benefit or even just keep your full-time > salary and pay as much as possible for the part-time courses > for as long as possible this might be a way to go. You need to > consider how you can take on as little overall debt as possible > and maximize any years and job experience you have. Another > suggestion if it the idea of using math in a more technical job > of some sort might also be to talk to counselors at the local > community college or even vocational training center to see if > there is any technical field that might provide you with the > interest you seem to lack in your present job and involve math > too, but take less time to achieve educational training in and > have a real job possibility. So I guess I fall on the side of > being realistic in "following one's dream" so you just don't > dig yourself into a deep hole with no way out. Job > satisfaction is important, but also as you indicate is being > able to pay your bills and handle the future, too. > > Our youngest daughter has a disability and in many ways because > of her we stayed where we have been which did not really give > my husband the opportunities that he might have had at other > higher education institutions as an educator. But it was a > decision based on many factors and not just on what he wanted > to do. I commend him for this choice, but it did have an impact > on his career. >
I thank you very much for your concern.
Feliz > > > > > > > On 1/18/12, Feliz wrote: >> At 46 (going to be 47 in April), I have not been able to >> put aside my passion for earning a math degree. I have a >> B.A. in Sociology (earned in 1994). However, there is a >> real yearning in my life for a degree in mathematics that >> overtakes me everyday. There are two reasons why I do not >> seek another degree: >> >> 1-the age factor >> 2-my fear of student loans >> >> Pell Grant and TAP will not pay for a second degree. This >> means, I must take out a student loan. I am afraid of >> loans. I am also embarrassed to be in a classroom with >> students much younger than I. >> >> I can't stop going on youtube searching for math video >> clips and learning as much as possible about calculus, >> matrix equations, functions, etc. What is your advice? Am >> I too old to seek another degree? If not, what is the best >> student loan for me? Some have said the Stafford Loan; >> others tell me to take out a bank loan. I don't know what >> to do. Society wants young emplolyees. If I get the degree >> in math, I'll be in my early 50s. What do you say? >>
Whatever happened to classrooms? Now it all done online. Whatever happened to classroom teachers? They used to be so fine.
Now it’s, "Pay Your Fees, Get Your Degrees, Online, from Law to Medi-cine." But tell me, Doc, ‘fore you cut on me, please, That you didn’t get yours online!