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What should I do ?

by Gwen

Jun 15, 2015

Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and sometimes in her direction, and eat constantly. The teacher yells but they don't pay attention. She has them in writing groups. No work is getting done. The kids listen to me. If I tell them to stay in their seat, they obey, if i tell them to put their food in the trash, they do it. I feel like telling off the entire class, but I don't want to upstage the regular teacher as I'm technically the assistant and only in here for two periods.

What would you do?

I suggested a movie for tomorrow, but the teacher says that would be rewarding their bad behavior, and they have their story to finish. It's an autobiographical incident, and there's no way they are getting it done by Thursday because nothing getd accomplished in this class. The kids already know she put in the grades. It's constant mayhem for...See More

Ed S. On 6/15/15, Gwen wrote: > Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with > a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. > The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and > sometimes in her direction, and eat constantly. The teacher > yells but they don't pay attention. She has them in writing > ...See MoreOn 6/15/15, Gwen wrote: > Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with > a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. > The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and > sometimes in her direction, and eat constantly. The teacher > yells but they don't pay attention. She has them in writing > groups. No work is getting done. The kids listen to me. If I > tell them to stay in their seat, they obey, if i tell them > to put their food in the trash, they do it. I feel like > telling off the entire class, but I don't want to upstage > the regular teacher as I'm technically the assistant and > only in here for two periods. > > What would you do? > > I suggested a movie for tomorrow, but the teacher says that > would be rewarding their bad behavior, and they have their > story to finish. It's an autobiographical incident, and > there's no way they are getting it done by Thursday because > nothing getd accomplished in this class. The kids already > know she put in the grades. > It's constant mayhem for 45 minutes a day x 2, and these > classes seriously give me a headache and put me in a bad > mood for the rest of the day. > > I wish Thursday would get here.

Gwen--

Most subs and supplemental teachers have probably run into this situation from time to time. As a veteran 12th grade ELA teacher, I can tell you unequivocally that I would have set VERY firm expectations from the first day of school, and would have come down hard on those who transgressed. If this student behavior was taking place during the beginning of the year or semester, it would have been easily remedied.

Given the fact that your academic year is nearly finished, I would suggest that you NOT use group work as a teaching method, and instead have the students work SILENTLY and independently at their own desks. In my opinion, this is really the only viable option. When the class officially begins, tell the students that there must be NO talking during the period, and that they are to work as silently on their project as if they had an assessment in front of them. Add that there will be NO further warnings for transgressors, and that the option for those who choose to talk out or misbehave will be an immediate office referral. Done!

Hope this helps.

ED

Jun 15, 2015

Judy I would let the teacher deal with it. Let her decide the lesson.

On 6/15/15, Ed S. wrote: > On 6/15/15, Gwen wrote: >> Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with >> a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. >> The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and >> sometimes ...See MoreI would let the teacher deal with it. Let her decide the lesson.

On 6/15/15, Ed S. wrote: > On 6/15/15, Gwen wrote: >> Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with >> a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. >> The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and >> sometimes in her direction, and eat constantly. The teacher >> yells but they don't pay attention. She has them in writing >> groups. No work is getting done. The kids listen to me. If I >> tell them to stay in their seat, they obey, if i tell them >> to put their food in the trash, they do it. I feel like >> telling off the entire class, but I don't want to upstage >> the regular teacher as I'm technically the assistant and >> only in here for two periods. >> >> What would you do? >> >> I suggested a movie for tomorrow, but the teacher says that >> would be rewarding their bad behavior, and they have their >> story to finish. It's an autobiographical incident, and >> there's no way they are getting it done by Thursday because >> nothing getd accomplished in this class. The kids already >> know she put in the grades. >> It's constant mayhem for 45 minutes a day x 2, and these >> classes seriously give me a headache and put me in a bad >> mood for the rest of the day. >> >> I wish Thursday would get here. > > Gwen-- > > Most subs and supplemental teachers have probably run into > this situation from time to time. As a veteran 12th grade ELA > teacher, I can tell you unequivocally that I would have set > VERY firm expectations from the first day of school, and would > have come down hard on those who transgressed. If this > student behavior was taking place during the beginning of the > year or semester, it would have been easily remedied. > > Given the fact that your academic year is nearly finished, I > would suggest that you NOT use group work as a teaching > method, and instead have the students work SILENTLY and > independently at their own desks. In my opinion, this is > really the only viable option. When the class officially > begins, tell the students that there must be NO talking during > the period, and that they are to work as silently on their > project as if they had an assessment in front of them. Add > that there will be NO further warnings for transgressors, and > that the option for those who choose to talk out or misbehave > will be an immediate office referral. Done! > > Hope this helps. > > ED

Jun 15, 2015

BJ I've been in your position. Just ride it out or call in sick the last day. Teacher seems clueless. I would have used the movie as leverage. If you get your work done today, we'll watch the movie tomorrow..

>>> Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with >>> a middle school teacher who has no control over ...See MoreI've been in your position. Just ride it out or call in sick the last day. Teacher seems clueless. I would have used the movie as leverage. If you get your work done today, we'll watch the movie tomorrow..

>>> Last week of school. I'm in a learning support position with >>> a middle school teacher who has no control over her class. >>> The kids talk over her, throw things at each other, and >>> sometimes in her direction, and eat constantly. The teacher >>> yells but they don't pay attention. She has them in writing >>> groups. No work is getting done. The kids listen to me. If I >>> tell them to stay in their seat, they obey, if i tell them >>> to put their food in the trash, they do it. I feel like >>> telling off the entire class, but I don't want to upstage >>> the regular teacher as I'm technically the assistant and >>> only in here for two periods. >>> >>> What would you do? >>> >>> I suggested a movie for tomorrow, but the teacher says that >>> would be rewarding their bad behavior, and they have their >>> story to finish. It's an autobiographical incident, and >>> there's no way they are getting it done by Thursday because >>> nothing getd accomplished in this class. The kids already >>> know she put in the grades. >>> It's constant mayhem for 45 minutes a day x 2, and these >>> classes seriously give me a headache and put me in a bad >>> mood for the rest of the day. >>> >>> I wish Thursday would get here. >> >> Gwen-- >> >> Most subs and supplemental teachers have probably run into >> this situation from time to time. As a veteran 12th grade ELA >> teacher, I can tell you unequivocally that I would have set >> VERY firm expectations from the first day of school, and would >> have come down hard on those who transgressed. If this >> student behavior was taking place during the beginning of the >> year or semester, it would have been easily remedied. >> >> Given the fact that your academic year is nearly finished, I >> would suggest that you NOT use group work as a teaching >> method, and instead have the students work SILENTLY and >> independently at their own desks. In my opinion, this is >> really the only viable option. When the class officially >> begins, tell the students that there must be NO talking during >> the period, and that they are to work as silently on their >> project as if they had an assessment in front of them. Add >> that there will be NO further warnings for transgressors, and >> that the option for those who choose to talk out or misbehave >> will be an immediate office referral. Done! >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> ED

Jun 16, 2015

Ze Povinho I have also been in similar situations in which I am the
assistant to the teacher. So, what I do is simple: I obey
the teacher at all times and not attempt to usurp his/her
place. This means that I simply follow his or her lead and
only assist in handling of the discipline problems. If she
or he has either failed to instill disciplin...See More

Jun 17, 2015

deb On 6/17/15, Ze Povinho wrote: > I have also been in similar situations in which I am the > assistant to the teacher. So, what I do is simple: I obey > the teacher at all times and not attempt to usurp his/her > place. This means that I simply follow his or her lead and > only assist in handling of the discipline problems. If she >...See More

Jun 18, 2015

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