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Being Left Out...

by mrwiseman

May 20, 2016

Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has been your experience at being left out of school activities.

This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got zip.

It is also a problem when it comes to ordering out lunch or coffee...special activities...even theme days. Yes, I have been the sub in the turtle neck during tropical shirt day.

Ever fell out of the loop?

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Jeannie I have been on both sides. I have subbed and taught full-time. There needs to be a little give both ways. As a sub, I always felt like a guest. A gracious staff would always include the subs on special days, but others don't. I gave my all as a sub and was snubbed at one potluck event. The teacher I subbed for asked me if I was invited and I told ...See More I have been on both sides. I have subbed and taught full-time. There needs to be a little give both ways. As a sub, I always felt like a guest. A gracious staff would always include the subs on special days, but others don't. I gave my all as a sub and was snubbed at one potluck event. The teacher I subbed for asked me if I was invited and I told her no. She was horrified. Not all people are warm and friendly. Others are. At another school, the staff insisted I come. So the next time I went there I brought them a freshly baked plate of cookies. Kindness works two ways. As a full-time teacher I always left a tub with books and plans in the correct order of the schedule. I had extra just in case activities too. For subs that would go the extra mile, I would leave a treat for them to enjoy at break time. Some subs would come into the teachers lounge hunting for food. One man had the nerve to say, "Isn't there anything to eat?" I asked him if HE brought anything. Another woman opened a sealed box of snacks for the class. I happen to walk in (I was at a meeting that day) and caught her. Like a child caught in the cookie jar, she said, "I got hungry." That sub was never invited back as other who run out the door practically before the kids do. I think going the extra mile works both ways and pays off both way.

On 5/28/16, BJ wrote: > Absolutely I would go to a teacher appreciation luncheon, and > I did end up going to one at a middle school. The teacher had > left me lesson plan, which was getting students to compare two > poems. And if anyone had said that I didn't belong. I would > have said yes I maybe here for the day, but I'm teaching just > like everyone else. And I think I'm doing a pretty good job > given I just saw the material for the first time a few hours > ago and the classes aren't out of control. > Any problems with that, then go see the principal. > > On 5/20/16, mrwiseman wrote: >> Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has been >> your experience at being left out of school activities. >> >> This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation >> week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts >> and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got zip. >> >> It is also a problem when it comes to ordering out lunch >> or coffee...special activities...even theme days. Yes, I >> have been the sub in the turtle neck during tropical >> shirt day. >> >> Ever fell out of the loop? >>

Jun 6, 2016

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Jeannie That is so true, Kathy. When you're subbing, you don't have to worry about the next day (unless you're doing consecutive days). Subs don't do Back to School Nights, Special extra night events, Open Houses, Conferences, Student Studies Team meetings, district trainings, IEPs, Report cards, assessments and on and on and on. No way do subs works &quo...See More That is so true, Kathy. When you're subbing, you don't have to worry about the next day (unless you're doing consecutive days). Subs don't do Back to School Nights, Special extra night events, Open Houses, Conferences, Student Studies Team meetings, district trainings, IEPs, Report cards, assessments and on and on and on. No way do subs works "as hard" as regular teachers. That was a ridiculous statement. If you're subbing and hoping for a full time job, you might want to adjust your attitude. By the way, watch what you say if you want to be requested to sub again. One young sub said that older teachers need to retire so there would be openings. That little bold one was never asked to sub again. Think anything you want, BUT DON'T SAY IT OUT LOUD.

On 5/20/16, Kathy wrote: > I am sorry you had a poor experience subbing. I understand > you feel you need more respect because you have a BA after > your name. Is it in education? I have worked both sides. I > taught for 37 years and was a para for on year. I have an > issue with you saying that subs work just as hard as > teachers. That is true for dedicated subs DURING the school > day, but you. As a sub do not work the long hours before and > after school. That does not make you any less valuable as a > sub, but your statement is insulting to all teachers. > Kathy > > > > On 5/20/16, Ms. Gwin wrote: >> On 5/20/16, mrwiseman wrote: >>> Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has > been >>> your experience at being left out of school activities. >>> >>> This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation >>> week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts >>> and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got zip. >>> >>> It is also a problem when it comes to ordering out lunch >>> or coffee...special activities...even theme days. Yes, I >>> have been the sub in the turtle neck during tropical >>> shirt day. >>> >>> Ever fell out of the loop? >>> >> This was my first year subbing & I felt the cold,invisible >> feeling. I have BA behind my name. The staff (Principal & >> regular Teachers)didn't tell me once thank you for helping >> us. I had only 1 Principal to tell me thank you.I felt good >> when the class told me themselves they appreciated me > too >> during teacher appreciation week. When school starts back > in >> August I have a trick for them I'm not working on Fridays >> anymore because I'll have a second job. Over the summer I >> have about 6 books I'm reading & taking notes. The Subs > works >> just as hard as the regular teachers.

Jun 6, 2016

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Deanne On 6/06/16, Jeannie wrote:
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> That is so true, Kathy. When you're subbing, you don't
> have to worry about the next day (unless you're doing
> consecutive
days).
> Subs don't do Back to School Nights, Special extra night
events,
> Open Houses, Conferences, Student Studies Team meetings,
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Jun 6, 2016

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Jeannie Deanne, I am retired now but when I was teaching full-time you are just the kind of sub who would have more requests than you could handle. I am sure something will turn up for you. Has the principal been in to observe your teaching? If not, you might want to ask him/her to do that. Subs provide a great pool of wonderful applicants for a district t...See MoreDeanne, I am retired now but when I was teaching full-time you are just the kind of sub who would have more requests than you could handle. I am sure something will turn up for you. Has the principal been in to observe your teaching? If not, you might want to ask him/her to do that. Subs provide a great pool of wonderful applicants for a district to choose. Good luck to you!

On 6/06/16, Deanne wrote: > On 6/06/16, Jeannie wrote: >> >> >> That is so true, Kathy. When you're subbing, you don't >> have to worry about the next day (unless you're doing >> consecutive > days). >> Subs don't do Back to School Nights, Special extra night > events, >> Open Houses, Conferences, Student Studies Team meetings, >> district trainings, IEPs, Report cards, assessments and >> on and > on >> and on. No way do subs works "as hard" as regular >> teachers. > That >> was a ridiculous statement. If you're subbing and hoping >> for a > full >> time job, you might want to adjust your attitude. By the >> way, watch what you say if you want to be requested to > sub >> again. One young sub said that older teachers need to >> retire > so >> there would be openings. That little bold one was never >> asked > to >> sub again. Think anything you want, BUT DON'T SAY IT OUT >> LOUD. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5/20/16, Kathy wrote: >>> I am sorry you had a poor experience subbing. I >>> understand you feel you need more respect because you >>> have a BA after your name. Is it in education? I have >>> worked both sides. I taught for 37 years and was a para >>> for on year. I have an issue with you saying that subs >>> work just as hard as teachers. That is true for >>> dedicated subs DURING the school day, but you. As a sub >>> do not work the long hours before and after school. That >>> does not make you any less valuable as a sub, but your >>> statement is insulting to all teachers. Kathy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/20/16, Ms. Gwin wrote: >>>> On 5/20/16, mrwiseman wrote: >>>>> Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has >>> been >>>>> your experience at being left out of school >>>>> activities. >>>>> >>>>> This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation >>>>> week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts >>>>> and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got >>>>> zip. >>>>> >>>>> It is also a problem when it comes to ordering out >>>>> lunch or coffee...special activities...even theme >>>>> days. Yes, I have been the sub in the turtle neck >>>>> during tropical shirt day. >>>>> >>>>> Ever fell out of the loop? >>>>> >>>> This was my first year subbing & I felt the >>>> cold,invisible feeling. I have BA behind my name. The >>>> staff (Principal & regular Teachers)didn't tell me once >>>> thank you for helping us. I had only 1 Principal to >>>> tell me thank you.I felt good when the class told me >>>> themselves they appreciated me >>> too >>>> during teacher appreciation week. When school starts >>>> back >>> in >>>> August I have a trick for them I'm not working on >>>> Fridays anymore because I'll have a second job. Over >>>> the summer I have about 6 books I'm reading & taking >>>> notes. The Subs >>> works >>>> just as hard as the regular teachers. > > I have been a substitute teacher for 8 years now. It's > been my pleasure to serve our community, our students, and > our hard- working teachers. I don't expect anything and I > go above and beyond to make sure I am asked back. I keep > my comments and my concerns neutral, politically correct, > and non-charged. If I am included or asked to join in > ANYTHING, I see that as a blessing. I am now actively > seeking a full-time position at our district and hoping > for the best. I am sure that I will remember vividly what > it felt like to be a substitute teacher and treat my > substitute teachers in kind! Thanks for listening > everyone.

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Nickster143 On 5/20/16, mrwiseman wrote: > Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has been > your experience at being left out of school activities. > > This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation > week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts > and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got zip. > > ...See MoreOn 5/20/16, mrwiseman wrote: > Okay, it has happened to nearly every sub. What has been > your experience at being left out of school activities. > > This topic came to me when during teacher appreciation > week, all the regular teachers had lovely little gifts > and surprises in their mail boxes daily and subs got zip. > > It is also a problem when it comes to ordering out lunch > or coffee...special activities...even theme days. Yes, I > have been the sub in the turtle neck during tropical > shirt day. > > Ever fell out of the loop? >

1. I have been a sub for the last 16 years. At this point in ti time, I could not really care less if I was invited to join th the teachers in the teachers lounge or not. There have been pl plenty of times when someone (usually the secretary) has told me me about there being treats in the teachers lounge. I always po politely decline as I have my own routine (which is going out fo for lunch.) I am as polite about it as possible, but yeah... I I am just temporary help and I don't really try to fit in in th their social gatherings. That just feels awkward to me...

2. As far as who works harder... I think we all have our own different degrees in levels of work load. A regular teacher has the time to earn the respect from the students in the classroom. Students have had the time to get the wiggles out of them, and to be able to concentrate on their assignments and get their work done. When a sub comes in, the students believe that it is playtime, and that the sub has no idea about what is supposed to be done in the classroom. The students tend to act out more when there is that new person (sub) in the classroom. Their concentration sometimes decreases and their work performance decreases.

True, teachers have a lot more preparation work before each assignment, test, grades, conference's, falling behind on their chapter assignments, sometimes spending their own money on classroom materials etc..

The sub does not have to worry about any of this. If that teache teacher has a good sub in the room, that sub might help out by cor by correcting some of the paperwork and relieve a little of that s that stress. However, correcting paperwork is rarely done.

3. The teacher in question has the ability to teach the same topi topic (for example science) day in and day out for many year years. They have the ability to get that topic down pretty good good. The sub bounces all around with very little consistency in c in classes and in assignments. One day they are teaching hist history, the next day the sub is in another classroom teac teaching art and the next photography. Many times, different kids kids, and at different stages of their assignments. The sub must must be a jack of all trades in order to keep up. Plus, the sub sub has to master the art of classroom management in order to get get the assignment done.

Nobody has it easy, subs or teachers. The only question I ha have to ask you is, why is the grass is always greener on the ot other side?

If someone gives you a half glass of milk, don't ask for a cookie or complain about the glass being half full. Thank them for the half glass of milk. If that does not satisfy you, go to the store and buy you, go to the store and buy yourself a gallon of milk!!!!

Jun 26, 2016

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