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is this occurring everywhere?

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Dec 1, 2013

Our district has said that soon, teachers in AZ will have their formal evaluation results, AIMS scores, and benchmark scores available on the dept of education website for any administrator to view (or something like that). Does anyone know if this is happening in other states as well, or everywhere in AZ? For so many reasons, incredibly wrong...

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anon NO principals don't have that right given the filthy politics in public ed. You seem to think teacher "quality" can be "objectively" measured, but it can't because teachers are at the total control of principals, who can not only make teachers look bad but rig classes to where teachers they don't like have more difficult students than teachers who ...See MoreNO principals don't have that right given the filthy politics in public ed. You seem to think teacher "quality" can be "objectively" measured, but it can't because teachers are at the total control of principals, who can not only make teachers look bad but rig classes to where teachers they don't like have more difficult students than teachers who suck up to them.

Besides, the "quality" of the teachers has little to do with student "performance" on standardized tests because standardized tests don't mean squat anyway. Teachers have no control over the outside forces, including and especially transience, which you do mention, that affect learning as opposed to test scores.

On 12/06/13, This could be okay.. wrote: > IF.. > 1) The school is listed..because low AIMS scores in 100% > poverty school are not only normal but should be expected. > > 2) Your AIMS scand benchmark scores are compared with other > teachers in your school--i.e. Tammy Jackson has a 76% pass rate > on the AIMS and 80% reading at benchmark level vs. the school > average of 64% passing the AIMS and 71% reading at benchmark > level for her grade. > > 3) Your evaluation has the principal's name and the school's > average scores connected to it. > > 4) Teachers can appeal bad evaluations before they get > posted--and the appeal can stay up even if you lose and the bad > evaluation does get posted. > > 5) Of course no children's names appear anywhere :)! > > 6) It is noted if you have a class that is less likely to pass > the AIMS--ESL students, a special education class or even if > your class had 17 special education students out of 21 kids > this year. > > 7) Schools is very high mobility levels should (ideally) be > labeled as high mobility schools, since if teachers don't have > most of their students for more than half the year then (of > course) they are less responsible for the results of their > student's tests. > > 8) Ideally--although this might not be possible-- the site > could list average gains/losses on test scores. So if only 17% > of your students passed the AIMS but compared to last year > those same kid's scores were 14% higher, then that is proof > that you did do the best you could with your classes even if > your AIMS pass rate is dismal. > > then I think this is fine. Principals have a right to see > information about candidates they want to hire. > > On 12/01/13, teacher wrote: >> Our district has said that soon, teachers in AZ will have >> their formal evaluation results, AIMS scores, and benchmark >> scores available on the dept of education website for any >> administrator to view (or something like that). Does anyone >> know if this is happening in other states as well, or >> everywhere in AZ? For so many reasons, incredibly wrong...

Dec 7, 2013

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anon If you think teachers can "appeal" a terrible evaluation by a principal and win, especially in a state where unions are basically sham organizations, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Principals should NOT have the unilateral ability to destroy careers. This does NOT happen in any other field.

On 12/07/13, anon wrote: > N...See MoreIf you think teachers can "appeal" a terrible evaluation by a principal and win, especially in a state where unions are basically sham organizations, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Principals should NOT have the unilateral ability to destroy careers. This does NOT happen in any other field.

On 12/07/13, anon wrote: > NO principals don't have that right given the filthy politics in > public ed. You seem to think teacher "quality" can be > "objectively" measured, but it can't because teachers are at the > total control of principals, who can not only make teachers look > bad but rig classes to where teachers they don't like have more > difficult students than teachers who suck up to them. > > Besides, the "quality" of the teachers has little to do with > student "performance" on standardized tests because standardized > tests don't mean squat anyway. Teachers have no control over the > outside forces, including and especially transience, which you > do mention, that affect learning as opposed to test scores. > > > > On 12/06/13, This could be okay.. wrote: >> IF.. >> 1) The school is listed..because low AIMS scores in 100% >> poverty school are not only normal but should be expected. >> >> 2) Your AIMS scand benchmark scores are compared with other >> teachers in your school--i.e. Tammy Jackson has a 76% pass rate >> on the AIMS and 80% reading at benchmark level vs. the school >> average of 64% passing the AIMS and 71% reading at benchmark >> level for her grade. >> >> 3) Your evaluation has the principal's name and the school's >> average scores connected to it. >> >> 4) Teachers can appeal bad evaluations before they get >> posted--and the appeal can stay up even if you lose and the bad >> evaluation does get posted. >> >> 5) Of course no children's names appear anywhere :)! >> >> 6) It is noted if you have a class that is less likely to pass >> the AIMS--ESL students, a special education class or even if >> your class had 17 special education students out of 21 kids >> this year. >> >> 7) Schools is very high mobility levels should (ideally) be >> labeled as high mobility schools, since if teachers don't have >> most of their students for more than half the year then (of >> course) they are less responsible for the results of their >> student's tests. >> >> 8) Ideally--although this might not be possible-- the site >> could list average gains/losses on test scores. So if only 17% >> of your students passed the AIMS but compared to last year >> those same kid's scores were 14% higher, then that is proof >> that you did do the best you could with your classes even if >> your AIMS pass rate is dismal. >> >> then I think this is fine. Principals have a right to see >> information about candidates they want to hire. >> >> On 12/01/13, teacher wrote: >>> Our district has said that soon, teachers in AZ will have >>> their formal evaluation results, AIMS scores, and benchmark >>> scores available on the dept of education website for any >>> administrator to view (or something like that). Does anyone >>> know if this is happening in other states as well, or >>> everywhere in AZ? For so many reasons, incredibly wrong...

Dec 7, 2013

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anon On 12/01/13, teacher wrote: > Our district has said that soon, teachers in AZ will have > their formal evaluation results, AIMS scores, and benchmark > scores available on the dept of education website for any > administrator to view (or something like that). Does anyone > know if this is happening in other states as well, or > ev...See More

Dec 7, 2013

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anon_dos I agree whole-heartedly! I had a very nasty, vindictive evaluation from a principal AFTER two "glowing" evaluations. I was non-tenured in a right to work state (yes, a conundrum)and a contract was not offered for the following school year. My opportunities for teaching in that state (not AZ)are now zero because of that eval.

> On 12/07...See More

Dec 14, 2013

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jass What happens during testing and how a student does in life is not reflective of how the student will turn out in life. We do not measure those intangibles that are indicative of future success. There are many admin's who are definitely out to get rid of the teachers at the top of the pay scale. Those admins are usually known to the veteran teachers...See More

Dec 19, 2013

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