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Princaipals, Beware we know jobs are plentiful

by Kyle

Apr 2, 2016

Don't even think of offering us a low salary and benefits are expected!

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anon On 4/07/16, anon wrote:
> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote:
>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote:
>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote:
>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote:
>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't know....is salary up to pri...See More

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Denise On 4/07/16, anon wrote: > On 4/06/16, Denise wrote: >> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote: >>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote: >>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote: >>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote: >>>>>>>> I do...See MoreOn 4/07/16, anon wrote: > On 4/06/16, Denise wrote: >> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote: >>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote: >>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote: >>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote: >>>>>>>> I don't know....is salary up to principals to >>>>>>>> negotiate, or >>>>>>> is it >>>>>>>> an HR thing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One asst. principal I had when the economy was bad >>>>>>>> boldly told the school leadership team that "Our >>>>>>>> teachers will do anything we tell them to do. They >>>>>>>> are afraid to lose their jobs." How the pendulum >>>>>>>> swings.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/02/16, Kyle wrote: >>>>>>>>> Don't even think of offering us a low salary and >>>>>>>>> benefits are expected! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In public education (and many private/charter >>>>>>> schools), you do not "negotiate" your salary. It is >>>>>>> based on years of experience and education. You take >>>>>>> it or you leave it. Period. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is some wiggle room in public education. If you >>>>>> have >>>>> years >>>>>> of experience elsewhere, they can either give you the >>>>>> years or not. There can be some negotiation there, >>>>>> but you can't start >>>>> at, >>>>>> say: step 10 on the salary scale (which would usually >>>>>> be given >>>>> to >>>>>> someone with 10 years experience) when you have no >>>>>> credible experience elsewhere. You won't get the >>>>>> Master's degree salary lane if you don't have a MA. >>>>>> If you're a BA step 1, then that >>>>> is >>>>>> all they can give you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadly, Arizona salaries are very bad. Don't expect >>>>>> much, and >>>>> the >>>>>> job market also dependent on your teaching sub-field. >>>>>> You >>>>> might >>>>>> be more in demand if you're in a shortage field, but >>>>> elementary >>>>>> teachers still might not have much need. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is NO "wiggle room" in public ed. Districts >>>>> might give you credit for experience, but it is still >>>>> the step system that applies. That is the ONLY fair >>>>> way you can do it in the public sector; otherwise, you >>>>> would have a lot of favoritism and unfairness in >>>>> salaries. Therefore, you have NO bargaining chip for >>>>> salary. You take it or leave it. It does not matter if >>>>> it is a "shortage" area. You don't get paid more and >>>>> should NOT get paid more just because you were trained >>>>> in math or science as opposed to kindergarten, which >>>>> is vastly more difficult work. It is not like private >>>>> sector employment. There is no salary or benefit >>>>> "negotiation" unless you are a senior administrator or >>>>> a superintendent. >>>> >>>> >>>> There are sometimes stipends for shortage areas in >>>> public which there should be because obviously it is >>>> more for Math and Science teachers/ have to be smart, >>>> and Special > Education >>>> nobody wants those jobs.. Otherwise these would not be >>>> shortage areas everybody would just get there degrees >>>> in > these >>>> areas, been the shortage areas for 20 years.. >>> >>> Math and science majors have other employment options >>> outside of teaching that typically pay better. As a sped >>> teacher, I would say that teaching special education was >>> like banging > your >>> head against a brick wall for 10 years, but that would >>> insult and demean people who literally bang their head >>> against a > wall >>> for a living. Its not the kids, its the nonsense >>> administration puts on us. >> >> >> As a Sped teacher I make $50.00 per hour, my Elementary >> counterparts make $$30.00.. > > Based on what? Experience and training. If you are a > charter school employee, they aren't bound by the same > rules. > > BTW, you are not paid by the hour if you are a public > education teacher. It is salaried work. > > There is NO district in the country that has different pay > scales for certified employees. None. Zip. They are all on > the same scale based on years of experience and education. > These salary scales are designed to prevent favoritism by > administrators. > > People here have no understanding of how the public sector > works.

Yes, Charter which there are a lot of in AZ.

Apr 7, 2016

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Denise On 4/07/16, anon wrote:
> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote:
>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote:
>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote:
>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote:
>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't know....is salary up to pri...See More

Apr 7, 2016

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Denise On 4/07/16, anon wrote: > On 4/07/16, anon wrote: >> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote: >>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote: >>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote: >>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote: >>>>>>>> I don'...See MoreOn 4/07/16, anon wrote: > On 4/07/16, anon wrote: >> On 4/06/16, Mark wrote: >>> On 4/05/16, Denise wrote: >>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>> On 4/04/16, mark wrote: >>>>>> On 4/04/16, anon wrote: >>>>>>> On 4/03/16, dm wrote: >>>>>>>> I don't know....is salary up to principals to >>>>>>>> negotiate, or >>>>>>> is it >>>>>>>> an HR thing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One asst. principal I had when the economy was bad >>>>>>>> boldly told the school leadership team that "Our >>>>>>>> teachers will do anything we tell them to do. They >>>>>>>> are afraid to lose their jobs." How the pendulum >>>>>>>> swings.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/02/16, Kyle wrote: >>>>>>>>> Don't even think of offering us a low salary and >>>>>>>>> benefits are expected! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In public education (and many private/charter >>>>>>> schools), you do not "negotiate" your salary. It is >>>>>>> based on years of experience and education. You take >>>>>>> it or you leave it. Period. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is some wiggle room in public education. If you >>>>>> have >>>>> years >>>>>> of experience elsewhere, they can either give you the >>>>>> years or not. There can be some negotiation there, >>>>>> but you can't start >>>>> at, >>>>>> say: step 10 on the salary scale (which would usually >>>>>> be given >>>>> to >>>>>> someone with 10 years experience) when you have no >>>>>> credible experience elsewhere. You won't get the >>>>>> Master's degree salary lane if you don't have a MA. >>>>>> If you're a BA step 1, then that >>>>> is >>>>>> all they can give you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadly, Arizona salaries are very bad. Don't expect >>>>>> much, and >>>>> the >>>>>> job market also dependent on your teaching sub-field. >>>>>> You >>>>> might >>>>>> be more in demand if you're in a shortage field, but >>>>> elementary >>>>>> teachers still might not have much need. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is NO "wiggle room" in public ed. Districts >>>>> might give you credit for experience, but it is still >>>>> the step system that applies. That is the ONLY fair >>>>> way you can do it in the public sector; otherwise, you >>>>> would have a lot of favoritism and unfairness in >>>>> salaries. Therefore, you have NO bargaining chip for >>>>> salary. You take it or leave it. It does not matter if >>>>> it is a "shortage" area. You don't get paid more and >>>>> should NOT get paid more just because you were trained >>>>> in math or science as opposed to kindergarten, which >>>>> is vastly more difficult work. It is not like private >>>>> sector employment. There is no salary or benefit >>>>> "negotiation" unless you are a senior administrator or >>>>> a superintendent. >>>> >>>> >>>> There are sometimes stipends for shortage areas in >>>> public which there should be because obviously it is >>>> more for Math and Science teachers/ have to be smart, >>>> and Special >> Education >>>> nobody wants those jobs.. Otherwise these would not be >>>> shortage areas everybody would just get there degrees >>>> in >> these >>>> areas, been the shortage areas for 20 years.. >>> >>> Math and science majors have other employment options >>> outside of teaching that typically pay better. As a sped >>> teacher, I would say that teaching special education was >>> like banging >> your >>> head against a brick wall for 10 years, but that would >>> insult and demean people who literally bang their head >>> against a >> wall >>> for a living. Its not the kids, its the nonsense >>> administration puts on us. >> >> >> A stipend is not the same as paying different salaries >> based > on >> your field. Just because you were a hotshot in math and >> science in college and in the private sector doesn't mean >> it > is >> more difficult work to teach it in public ed than working >> in special education or in the primary grades, which in >> fact are vastly more difficult. Different salary scales >> based on the major cannot be done in public ed because of >> the highly political atmosphere of the workplace. > > And, I would argue, paying math and science teachers more > than elementary or special education teachers is arguably > sex discrimination since men tend to dominate in science > and math majors, while women dominate in special education > and elementary ed.

I get paid higher for Sped shortage area. My Sister in Law is a Math teacher her planning takes a lot more time, and grading she is smart and teaches Math makes more money, and had lots of job offers.

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mark On 4/07/16, anon wrote: > > There is NO district in the country that has different pay > scales for certified employees. None. Zip. They are all on > the same scale based on years of experience and education. > These salary scales are designed to prevent favoritism by > administrators. > > People here have no understanding o...See More

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