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Get unemployment?

by Janice

Oct 15, 2012

After 4 years, getting Satisfactory or Excellent on all observations, all of a sudden I got Unsatisfactory and was told that I should resign or I would not be asked back and know one would hire me. My observation grades and my smative grades do no not match. So I was forced to resign. I still cannot get a job. So can I get unemployment?

probably not On 10/15/12, Janice wrote: > After 4 years, getting Satisfactory or Excellent on all > observations, all of a sudden I got Unsatisfactory and was > told that I should resign or I would not be asked back and

> know one would hire me. My observation grades and my > smative grades do no not match. So I was forced to resign. >...See More

Oct 16, 2012

anon It is a falsehood to claim "teachers can rarely get unemployment." They can, and they do. Even if you resigned under force, get hold of an attorney and go to the unemployment office to discuss the situation. The district might fight you, so be prepared.

Teachers who are fired CAN get UI as long as they didn't commit "gross misconduct" (c...See More

Oct 16, 2012

Janice Thank you for your response.

On 10/16/12, anon wrote: > It is a falsehood to claim "teachers can rarely get > unemployment." They can, and they do. Even if you resigned > under force, get hold of an attorney and go to the unemployment > office to discuss the situation. The district might fight you, > so be prepared. > &...See More

Oct 16, 2012

sped On 10/15/12, Janice wrote: > After 4 years, getting Satisfactory or Excellent on all > observations, all of a sudden I got Unsatisfactory and was > told that I should resign or I would not be asked back and > know one would hire me. My observation grades and my > smative grades do no not match. So I was forced to resign. > I still...See MoreOn 10/15/12, Janice wrote: > After 4 years, getting Satisfactory or Excellent on all > observations, all of a sudden I got Unsatisfactory and was > told that I should resign or I would not be asked back and > know one would hire me. My observation grades and my > smative grades do no not match. So I was forced to resign. > I still cannot get a job. So can I get unemployment?

Aaaaah! You should have posted this in June, not October!!!

First off, you were entitled under the Illinois School Code to a right of review by the school board as a 4th year teacher. While it may have not saved your job, some administrators who are looking to cut a 4th year would rather not have to defend their decision and you MIGHT have simply been quietly asked back after making such a request. Even still, you could have gone to the board meeting and the board MIGHT have taken into account your previous three years of service. However, that ship has sailed since it is four months later and you've already resigned.

Secondly, you SHOULD have applied for unemployment on your first full week off at the end of the school year, which was likely in June. It doesn't matter if you were paid through the summer. That money is already earned, and exactly when they distribute it doesn't matter. If you were found eligible, you would have been paid for every week that you applied and certified through the electronic system.

However, that ship has also sailed. So, now you should apply for unemployment ASAP. Like, if you're reading this on Friday, APPLY TODAY!!!! Do not lie. State that you resigned. An "issue" will be opened by the unemployment agency. You will have to write a statement detailing why you resigned. Tell them you were forced to resign or you faced dismissal. Tell them your boss said you wouldn't ever get a job again, etc. Everything they said, tell them.

Most likely, you will get turned down right off the bat. Then, you will need to request and attend a hearing. Bring everything you have in writing. All your evals, any emails from your administrator or union suggesting you resign, everything. It will likely take a couple of months to get a hearing scheduled (which is why you should have done this in June). Make sure you certify every two weeks on your appointed date and time either over the phone or online. You won't get the check because your case is still pending, but you need to do this every two weeks to eventually get paid. If you don't certify for certain weeks, and you are eventually found eligible, you don't get paid for the weeks you didn't certify for. So, every two weeks while you're waiting for resolution of your case.

Most likely, you will get it, IF you are willing to put up with all the waiting and bureaucracy involved.

As far as hiring a lawyer..., you can, but realize it will cost... However, you may want to attend the first hearing on your own and you certainly don't need a lawyer to apply. Honestly, if you're smart enough to be a teacher, you should be smart enough to handle the Unemployment office. Most people go without a lawyer due to cost. If they decide against you, you can go to court and file a further appeal, and then will need a lawyer.

BTW, being non-renewed is not a death sentence for a teacher. I got hired and eventually became an administrator after a nonrenewal. I've also hired non-renewals. The application form used in Illinois asks about both being forced to resign AND non-renewal, so you'll have to check "yes," anyway. Some very bitter people on this board and others will tell you it is, however, that has not been my experience. Keep in mind, however, that if you're a general elem ed or high school social studies or English teacher, its extremely hard to find a job in general, so its not necessarily the non-renewal that is making it hard to find work..., just the fact that you're a teacher in a field that is not in demand.

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