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WILLIAM SULLIVAN HIGH SCHOOL DISCIPLINE

by FRUSTRATED IN HOLMES COUNTY

Oct 10, 2007

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Hello,

I am a new teacher to the profession and I have began
teaching in a critical needs, Level One School in Durant,
MS. The children practically run the school. Teachers are
cursed at, threatened, subjected to daily fights and only
two security guards are at the school to assist with the
500 plus students there. Before I signed my contact, I
never imagined the headache and stress associated with the
position. It is a complete nightmare. I was wondering if
there was a State Contact to refer the matter to. I looked
on the Mississippi Department of Education website and I do
not see a link. Could someone offer suggestions?

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Ms. Swats Have you ever noticed that schools that have corporal punishment are more united schools? Interesting benefit.

On 10/20/09, Miss Victoria wrote: > On 10/19/09, ms. swats wrote: >> >> All part of the fun of a well-rounded, Southern >> education. > > Actually, there is probably some truth to that. Of all > the d...See MoreHave you ever noticed that schools that have corporal punishment are more united schools? Interesting benefit.

On 10/20/09, Miss Victoria wrote: > On 10/19/09, ms. swats wrote: >> >> All part of the fun of a well-rounded, Southern >> education. > > Actually, there is probably some truth to that. Of all > the days in my high school career (suburban distirct in > Alabama), the single day I am least likely to forget is > the day I was paddled for shooting the finger at my > volleyball coach! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that >> corporal punishment should be administered at >> assemblies once a week so the recipients really get >> the message about the punitive repercussions of >> misbehavior. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/09, Megan wrote: >>> >>> I wouldn't claim to know all the answers about what >>> is right and wrong when it comes to scool corporal >>> punishment. But I do know that getting paddled by >>> the vice principal in high school made a bigger >>> impression by far than any other punishment like >>> detention. >>> >>> Where I went, if the computer showed you as having >>> excess tardies, you got called to the office and >>> the secretary would ask if you wanted a detention >>> assignment or a paddling. If you choose the swats, >>> you would have to sit in the office for 10 minutes >>> or so waiting for the vice prinipal to get free, >>> with all the office personelle, including student >>> aids, knowing you were about to get it. >>> >>> Then when the VP finally called you into his >>> office, he didn't even close the door. Everyone >>> could hear the short lecture, the instructions to >>> bend over, and then the swats (which were >>> defintiley not token). >>> >>> The whole experience was so humiliating that I >>> never was tardy again. >>> >>> >>> On 9/20/09, ga wrote: >>>> Mary - if you are an educator - you make me sick >>>> with such a comment - It takes brains to >>>> discipline a child effectively without hitting. >>>>> Hitting children with paddles is abusive IMHO>

Oct 21, 2009

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Colin On 5/20/08, anonymous wrote: > This is the case in MANY schools in Mississippi. They need to > bring in the National Guard. > > > > I feel very sorry for you, I really do!

Reading your post makes me realise The UK is not alone with these kinds of issues. I was quite shocked to read certain parts of the US have such proble...See MoreOn 5/20/08, anonymous wrote: > This is the case in MANY schools in Mississippi. They need to > bring in the National Guard. > > > > I feel very sorry for you, I really do!

Reading your post makes me realise The UK is not alone with these kinds of issues. I was quite shocked to read certain parts of the US have such problems within the education system. I think you have to really have zero tolerance on the low level classroom disruption

Over in the UK these kind of issues are at critical levels with teachers leaving the profession in mass numbers, and others ill with stress. You simply have to blame the British Government for the unacceptable mess we have over here. 12 years ago, Tony Blair said on his debut speech saud, 'Education! Education! Education! 12 years later, it is worse, with bullying rife, gun and knife crime in schools and teachers being attacked ona daily basis. So well done, Tony! You are a star! It makes me ashamed to be British

As for these issues in the US, I have recently read a few similar acconts to this one. Yes, one can blame parents, peer pressure, social standing etc, but you just can't have teachers feeling like this and like over here, it has to be addressed at local level, and if all fails, the education dept and its state secretary, nationally has to deal with it. Kicking kids out is no answer. Deal with them! Investment has to be made,too, but wisely in kindergarden/nursery school age and also $ spent in educating young parents. What really is worrying too, I saw a world survey about two years ago on countries' performances in producing A grade maths students. Both the US and the UK weree down in 18th and 19th place, respectively. That, I'm afraid is very worrying. The buck must stop at both the US and UK governments that have presided over this sham! Not sure if things are improving over your place, but, without question it has not got better. I think we are almost bottom of the league in Europe.....MMMMMMM..... Education"! Education! Education Good Luck to 'Frustrated in Holmes County.' Keep your chin up!!! I just hope things work out for you

Colin

> On 4/30/08, anon wrote: >> Sounds like a possible leadership issue....just an opinion >> >> On 10/10/07, FRUSTRATED IN HOLMES COUNTY wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am a new teacher to the profession and I have began >>> teaching in a critical needs, Level One School in Durant, >>> MS. The children practically run the school. Teachers >> are >>> cursed at, threatened, subjected to daily fights and only >>> two security guards are at the school to assist with the >>> 500 plus students there. Before I signed my contact, I >>> never imagined the headache and stress associated with the >>> position. It is a complete nightmare. I was wondering if >>> there was a State Contact to refer the matter to. I >> looked >>> on the Mississippi Department of Education website and I >> do >>> not see a link. Could someone offer suggestions?

Nov 27, 2009

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Doug I am new on this site and actually came on to try and get info on becoming a teacher in MS. Even though I've been out of college for many years now, when I was in High School, fear was a great deterant. I came from a family of teachers. My grandmother, mother, grandfather and aunt were all career educators in MS. The rumor was that our principle ha...See MoreI am new on this site and actually came on to try and get info on becoming a teacher in MS. Even though I've been out of college for many years now, when I was in High School, fear was a great deterant. I came from a family of teachers. My grandmother, mother, grandfather and aunt were all career educators in MS. The rumor was that our principle had an electric paddle. Not true but we didn't know that. The fear of having to go the office was worse than the actual paddling. I'll admit I got a couple of paddlings over the years at school, but the one I got when I got home was worse. I did my best to be a good boy. I still would like to become a teacher if anyone has any info on how please let me know.

On 11/27/09, Colin wrote: > On 5/20/08, anonymous wrote: >> This is the case in MANY schools in Mississippi. They need to >> bring in the National Guard. >> >> >> >> > I feel very sorry for you, I really do! > > Reading your post makes me realise The UK is not alone with these > kinds of issues. I was quite shocked to read certain parts of the > US have such problems within the education system. > I think you have to really have zero tolerance on the low level > classroom disruption > > Over in the UK these kind of issues are at critical levels with > teachers leaving the profession in mass numbers, and others ill > with stress. You simply have to blame the British Government for > the unacceptable mess we have over here. 12 years ago, Tony Blair > said on his debut speech saud, 'Education! Education! Education! > 12 years later, it is worse, with bullying rife, gun and knife > crime in schools and teachers being attacked ona daily basis. So > well done, Tony! You are a star! It makes me ashamed to be British > > As for these issues in the US, I have recently read a few similar > acconts to this one. Yes, one can blame parents, peer pressure, > social standing etc, but you just can't have teachers feeling > like this and like over here, it has to be addressed at local > level, and if all fails, the education dept and its state > secretary, nationally has to deal with it. Kicking kids out is no > answer. Deal with them! Investment has to be made,too, but wisely > in kindergarden/nursery school age and also $ spent in educating > young parents. > What really is worrying too, I saw a world survey about two years > ago on countries' performances in producing A grade maths > students. Both the US and the UK weree down in 18th and 19th > place, respectively. That, I'm afraid is very worrying. The buck > must stop at both the US and UK governments that have presided > over this sham! Not sure if things are improving over your place, > but, without question it has not got better. I think we are > almost bottom of the league in Europe.....MMMMMMM..... > Education"! Education! Education > Good Luck to 'Frustrated in Holmes County.' Keep your chin up!!! > I just hope things work out for you > > Colin > >> On 4/30/08, anon wrote: >>> Sounds like a possible leadership issue....just an opinion >>> >>> On 10/10/07, FRUSTRATED IN HOLMES COUNTY wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am a new teacher to the profession and I have began >>>> teaching in a critical needs, Level One School in Durant, >>>> MS. The children practically run the school. Teachers >>> are >>>> cursed at, threatened, subjected to daily fights and only >>>> two security guards are at the school to assist with the >>>> 500 plus students there. Before I signed my contact, I >>>> never imagined the headache and stress associated with the >>>> position. It is a complete nightmare. I was wondering if >>>> there was a State Contact to refer the matter to. I >>> looked >>>> on the Mississippi Department of Education website and I >>> do >>>> not see a link. Could someone offer suggestions?

Dec 22, 2009

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missy I moved from Leflore county 3 years ago in Greenwood MS. Go to the MS State Department of Education and look for alternate certification route if you have a degree in another area besides teaching. The Leflore County School System is always looking for teachers. Contact Roy Curry The Greenwoood city schools are rougher than the county. I worked in ...See MoreI moved from Leflore county 3 years ago in Greenwood MS. Go to the MS State Department of Education and look for alternate certification route if you have a degree in another area besides teaching. The Leflore County School System is always looking for teachers. Contact Roy Curry The Greenwoood city schools are rougher than the county. I worked in Leflore for 14 years and always had job security, but be ready to paddle. The big problem in many state is that they are cutting teachers. Your best bet is to go where there are shortages. Most of the time, these are rough schools, but if you are strong and can contol your class, it is manageable. I think that these are the best teaching experiences for beginning teachers. You will learn quickly about structure and good classrooom management. On 12/22/09, Doug wrote: > I am new on this site and actually came on to try and get info on > becoming a teacher in MS. Even though I've been out of college for > many years now, when I was in High School, fear was a great > deterant. I came from a family of teachers. My grandmother, mother, > grandfather and aunt were all career educators in MS. The rumor was > that our principle had an electric paddle. Not true but we didn't > know that. The fear of having to go the office was worse than the > actual paddling. I'll admit I got a couple of paddlings over the > years at school, but the one I got when I got home was worse. I did > my best to be a good boy. I still would like to become a teacher if > anyone has any info on how please let me know. > > On 11/27/09, Colin wrote: >> On 5/20/08, anonymous wrote: >>> This is the case in MANY schools in Mississippi. They need to >>> bring in the National Guard. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I feel very sorry for you, I really do! >> >> Reading your post makes me realise The UK is not alone with these >> kinds of issues. I was quite shocked to read certain parts of the >> US have such problems within the education system. >> I think you have to really have zero tolerance on the low level >> classroom disruption >> >> Over in the UK these kind of issues are at critical levels with >> teachers leaving the profession in mass numbers, and others ill >> with stress. You simply have to blame the British Government for >> the unacceptable mess we have over here. 12 years ago, Tony Blair >> said on his debut speech saud, 'Education! Education! Education! >> 12 years later, it is worse, with bullying rife, gun and knife >> crime in schools and teachers being attacked ona daily basis. So >> well done, Tony! You are a star! It makes me ashamed to be British >> >> As for these issues in the US, I have recently read a few similar >> acconts to this one. Yes, one can blame parents, peer pressure, >> social standing etc, but you just can't have teachers feeling >> like this and like over here, it has to be addressed at local >> level, and if all fails, the education dept and its state >> secretary, nationally has to deal with it. Kicking kids out is no >> answer. Deal with them! Investment has to be made,too, but wisely >> in kindergarden/nursery school age and also $ spent in educating >> young parents. >> What really is worrying too, I saw a world survey about two years >> ago on countries' performances in producing A grade maths >> students. Both the US and the UK weree down in 18th and 19th >> place, respectively. That, I'm afraid is very worrying. The buck >> must stop at both the US and UK governments that have presided >> over this sham! Not sure if things are improving over your place, >> but, without question it has not got better. I think we are >> almost bottom of the league in Europe.....MMMMMMM..... >> Education"! Education! Education >> Good Luck to 'Frustrated in Holmes County.' Keep your chin up!!! >> I just hope things work out for you >> >> Colin >> >>> On 4/30/08, anon wrote: >>>> Sounds like a possible leadership issue....just an opinion >>>> >>>> On 10/10/07, FRUSTRATED IN HOLMES COUNTY wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am a new teacher to the profession and I have began >>>>> teaching in a critical needs, Level One School in Durant, >>>>> MS. The children practically run the school. Teachers >>>> are >>>>> cursed at, threatened, subjected to daily fights and only >>>>> two security guards are at the school to assist with the >>>>> 500 plus students there. Before I signed my contact, I >>>>> never imagined the headache and stress associated with the >>>>> position. It is a complete nightmare. I was wondering if >>>>> there was a State Contact to refer the matter to. I >>>> looked >>>>> on the Mississippi Department of Education website and I >>>> do >>>>> not see a link. Could someone offer suggestions?

Dec 25, 2009

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The Apache Kid On 9/27/09, Student Teacher wrote: > I was student teaching PE last year at a suburban high > school where the > students are given a choice between Saturday dentention > and corporal punishment for things like tardies, etc. > This was primarily 11th and 12th grade girls' classes > and almost every time the student would choose a ...See MoreOn 9/27/09, Student Teacher wrote: > I was student teaching PE last year at a suburban high > school where the > students are given a choice between Saturday dentention > and corporal punishment for things like tardies, etc. > This was primarily 11th and 12th grade girls' classes > and almost every time the student would choose a > paddling. It seemed to work, as the same students > almost never got paddled twice. > > > > > > > On 9/22/09, fatcoach wrote: >> if that's the case then what is the best alternative >> to corporal punishment?...... >> >> you can make 'em write sentences......then that makes >> 'em hate writing....or even better they don't do it, >> just like they don't do their homework.....then you >> gotta write 'em up for open defiance...... >> >> you can keep 'em in for breaks or recess or after >> school......then the teacher is punished because >> somebody has to watch 'em or take 'em home..... >> >> you can suspend 'em......then they miss the most >> important thing....class time...... >> >> >> i know that corporal punishment worked for >> me........i feared my football coach at first then >> learned to respect him.....fear kept me out of >> trouble.......fear kept me in line..... >> >> if you do away with the punishments that are >> quick......the only thing remaining is >> suspension.......and i promise you that is exactly >> what kids want......a vacation.......they don't give >> a rip about your test scores, and if they are >> suspended for any extended period of time, they have >> almost no chance at making a respectable score....... >> >> i'm not responding to diminish your idea....i'm just >> saying what is the answer then? what else allows them >> to pay for the disruption and get back to class >> within about fifteen seconds...... >> >> >> if you come up with a good answer then write a >> book......you could make millions...... >> >> >> >> >> On 9/20/09, Mary wrote: >>> You obviously never read the bible: Spare Thy Rod, >>> Spoil Thy Child. >>> >>> --God >>> >>> >>> And what about the other students trying to learn >>> who cannot because the disruptions? >>> >>> I got paddled in 11th grade for smoking. Those 5 >>> licks of the paddle taught me more than anything >>> alse ever could have, even a year of Saturday >>> detention. I'm in college now and every time I >>> smell cigarette smoke, my butt aches. I'll never >>> smoke again I'm sure--that paddling may have >>> roasted my back side, but saved my lungs and life! >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/20/09, ga wrote: >>>> Mary - if you are an educator - you make me sick >>>> with such a comment - It takes brains to >>>> discipline a child effectively without hitting. >>>>> Hitting children with paddles is abusive IMHO>

Feb 7, 2011

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