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by John J. Stone PK-5 Principal

Sep 6, 2008

Just my thoughts....

I read so many posts about people saying you have to know someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some good friends due to one reason or other, hired older teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if they seem good enough etc. they will get the job!

I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are not happy so some excuse has to be made.

I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring based on who you know etc no matter if you are ...See More

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An amusing account near Concord I was interviewed for a Special Ed position at a school near Concord. The day before my meeting with the assistant principal, I checked out the SAU's site so I could be better prepared for the question-and-answer session. The interview went very well, and the assistant principal, who originally hailed from my hometown of Boston, asked me in our inf...See MoreI was interviewed for a Special Ed position at a school near Concord. The day before my meeting with the assistant principal, I checked out the SAU's site so I could be better prepared for the question-and-answer session. The interview went very well, and the assistant principal, who originally hailed from my hometown of Boston, asked me in our informal vernacular if I had any questions or comments. I mentioned that I'd found a fair number of same last names listed for staff and faculty on the website and wondered if that had been merely a coincidence or not. He winked at me with a wry, knowing smile and said, "Welcome to New Hampshire."

PS: I got the job.

On 9/09/08, Musicmae wrote: > I agree that not all schools hire who they know, but I think > a lot of people are frustrated because they do not get the > feedback you were talking about. Like you, after a few > interviews I started asking what am I doing wrong. So I > started asking, at first it was I needed more experience, > then when I had more experience it was about the "right > fit". I interviewed fine, I did a great job and yet no one > had any suggestions. Most of the time no one even returned > my calls regarding interviews and I even called more than > once. So I commend you for being such a nice person and > administrator - we need more of you out there in the world > of education. For those of you looking for jobs, keep > interviewing you will eventually find that "fit" - still not > sure what that is but I did get a job (in another state) and > I am happy to be working. > > On 9/06/08, John J. Stone PK-5 Principal wrote: >> Just my thoughts.... >> >> I read so many posts about people saying you have to know >> someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU >> in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants >> based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher >> via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of >> college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some >> good friends due to one reason or other, hired older >> teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all >> because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and >> THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if >> they seem good enough etc. they will get the job! >> >> I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on >> who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who >> are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are >> not happy so some excuse has to be made. >> >> I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring >> based on who you know etc no matter if you are a street >> sweeper,a senator, store clerk, computer programmer, >> teacher etc. and that is wrong unless the person is the >> best for the job! >> >> I suggest to anyone looking for a job (myself included if I >> were looking) to be yourself in an interview, never claim >> to be a "know it all", speak the truth, and learn from >> interviews what you lacked by calling and asking how you >> could do better to land a job. >> >> When I first started looking for Principal jobs (13 years >> ago) I called and asked why I was not chosen and was told I >> needed more experience in curriculum writing. I took a long >> look at myself (wanting to blame others for my lack of >> knowledge) and got experience so I could land a job once I >> took care of my weaknesses. >> >> I guess what I am saying is "Don't give up! We do hire whom >> we feel are the best and you need to sell yourself honestly >> to land a job" >> >> Someday you will land that job but in the meantime don't >> blame us or make accusations. Look at yourself also and >> improve your interview skills as stated above.

Sep 9, 2008

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not surprised Not surprised about that Concord account. Head up to the North Country and it's even worse.

On 9/09/08, An amusing account near Concord wrote: > I was interviewed for a Special Ed position at a school near > Concord. The day before my meeting with the assistant > principal, I checked out the SAU's site so I could be better > pr...See MoreNot surprised about that Concord account. Head up to the North Country and it's even worse.

On 9/09/08, An amusing account near Concord wrote: > I was interviewed for a Special Ed position at a school near > Concord. The day before my meeting with the assistant > principal, I checked out the SAU's site so I could be better > prepared for the question-and-answer session. The interview > went very well, and the assistant principal, who originally > hailed from my hometown of Boston, asked me in our informal > vernacular if I had any questions or comments. I mentioned > that I'd found a fair number of same last names listed for > staff and faculty on the website and wondered if that had been > merely a coincidence or not. He winked at me with a wry, > knowing smile and said, "Welcome to New Hampshire." > > > PS: I got the job. > > > > > > On 9/09/08, Musicmae wrote: >> I agree that not all schools hire who they know, but I think >> a lot of people are frustrated because they do not get the >> feedback you were talking about. Like you, after a few >> interviews I started asking what am I doing wrong. So I >> started asking, at first it was I needed more experience, >> then when I had more experience it was about the "right >> fit". I interviewed fine, I did a great job and yet no one >> had any suggestions. Most of the time no one even returned >> my calls regarding interviews and I even called more than >> once. So I commend you for being such a nice person and >> administrator - we need more of you out there in the world >> of education. For those of you looking for jobs, keep >> interviewing you will eventually find that "fit" - still not >> sure what that is but I did get a job (in another state) and >> I am happy to be working. >> >> On 9/06/08, John J. Stone PK-5 Principal wrote: >>> Just my thoughts.... >>> >>> I read so many posts about people saying you have to know >>> someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU >>> in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants >>> based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher >>> via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of >>> college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some >>> good friends due to one reason or other, hired older >>> teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all >>> because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and >>> THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if >>> they seem good enough etc. they will get the job! >>> >>> I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on >>> who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who >>> are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are >>> not happy so some excuse has to be made. >>> >>> I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring >>> based on who you know etc no matter if you are a street >>> sweeper,a senator, store clerk, computer programmer, >>> teacher etc. and that is wrong unless the person is the >>> best for the job! >>> >>> I suggest to anyone looking for a job (myself included if I >>> were looking) to be yourself in an interview, never claim >>> to be a "know it all", speak the truth, and learn from >>> interviews what you lacked by calling and asking how you >>> could do better to land a job. >>> >>> When I first started looking for Principal jobs (13 years >>> ago) I called and asked why I was not chosen and was told I >>> needed more experience in curriculum writing. I took a long >>> look at myself (wanting to blame others for my lack of >>> knowledge) and got experience so I could land a job once I >>> took care of my weaknesses. >>> >>> I guess what I am saying is "Don't give up! We do hire whom >>> we feel are the best and you need to sell yourself honestly >>> to land a job" >>> >>> Someday you will land that job but in the meantime don't >>> blame us or make accusations. Look at yourself also and >>> improve your interview skills as stated above.

Sep 13, 2008

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Roshero I work for a private school in the Concord Area. I was giving an opportunity to work because of my skills. not because I knew someone inside. so I am on the other side of this discussion . I think is possible. I have a friend who also is on the public sector of esucation and she got the job because of her qualifications...so you guys tell me... ...See MoreI work for a private school in the Concord Area. I was giving an opportunity to work because of my skills. not because I knew someone inside. so I am on the other side of this discussion . I think is possible. I have a friend who also is on the public sector of esucation and she got the job because of her qualifications...so you guys tell me...

On 9/13/08, not surprised wrote: > Not surprised about that Concord account. Head up to the North > Country and it's even worse. > > > > On 9/09/08, An amusing account near Concord wrote: >> I was interviewed for a Special Ed position at a school near >> Concord. The day before my meeting with the assistant >> principal, I checked out the SAU's site so I could be better >> prepared for the question-and-answer session. The interview >> went very well, and the assistant principal, who originally >> hailed from my hometown of Boston, asked me in our informal >> vernacular if I had any questions or comments. I mentioned >> that I'd found a fair number of same last names listed for >> staff and faculty on the website and wondered if that had been >> merely a coincidence or not. He winked at me with a wry, >> knowing smile and said, "Welcome to New Hampshire." >> >> >> PS: I got the job. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/09/08, Musicmae wrote: >>> I agree that not all schools hire who they know, but I think >>> a lot of people are frustrated because they do not get the >>> feedback you were talking about. Like you, after a few >>> interviews I started asking what am I doing wrong. So I >>> started asking, at first it was I needed more experience, >>> then when I had more experience it was about the "right >>> fit". I interviewed fine, I did a great job and yet no one >>> had any suggestions. Most of the time no one even returned >>> my calls regarding interviews and I even called more than >>> once. So I commend you for being such a nice person and >>> administrator - we need more of you out there in the world >>> of education. For those of you looking for jobs, keep >>> interviewing you will eventually find that "fit" - still not >>> sure what that is but I did get a job (in another state) and >>> I am happy to be working. >>> >>> On 9/06/08, John J. Stone PK-5 Principal wrote: >>>> Just my thoughts.... >>>> >>>> I read so many posts about people saying you have to know >>>> someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU >>>> in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants >>>> based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher >>>> via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of >>>> college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some >>>> good friends due to one reason or other, hired older >>>> teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all >>>> because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and >>>> THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if >>>> they seem good enough etc. they will get the job! >>>> >>>> I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on >>>> who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who >>>> are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are >>>> not happy so some excuse has to be made. >>>> >>>> I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring >>>> based on who you know etc no matter if you are a street >>>> sweeper,a senator, store clerk, computer programmer, >>>> teacher etc. and that is wrong unless the person is the >>>> best for the job! >>>> >>>> I suggest to anyone looking for a job (myself included if I >>>> were looking) to be yourself in an interview, never claim >>>> to be a "know it all", speak the truth, and learn from >>>> interviews what you lacked by calling and asking how you >>>> could do better to land a job. >>>> >>>> When I first started looking for Principal jobs (13 years >>>> ago) I called and asked why I was not chosen and was told I >>>> needed more experience in curriculum writing. I took a long >>>> look at myself (wanting to blame others for my lack of >>>> knowledge) and got experience so I could land a job once I >>>> took care of my weaknesses. >>>> >>>> I guess what I am saying is "Don't give up! We do hire whom >>>> we feel are the best and you need to sell yourself honestly >>>> to land a job" >>>> >>>> Someday you will land that job but in the meantime don't >>>> blame us or make accusations. Look at yourself also and >>>> improve your interview skills as stated above.

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anon hi John, I am sure that you are right, that not all teaching positions are granted on a who-you-know basis, but, ironically, once I did ask why I did not get the job and I was told: "you did fine, it is just that the person who did get it was better connected".

That was back when I was only certified in Social Studies and face it, you hav...See Morehi John, I am sure that you are right, that not all teaching positions are granted on a who-you-know basis, but, ironically, once I did ask why I did not get the job and I was told: "you did fine, it is just that the person who did get it was better connected".

That was back when I was only certified in Social Studies and face it, you have to know someone or have something extraordinarily special (like skill in coaching football) to land an SS position.

I earned my M.Ed Reading Specialist last spring and was offered three jobs at school where I knew no one. But the school I chose is cutting a lot of positions this year, including mine and I have to say that it seems a bit funny to me that I am loosing my job, while another reading teacher hired exactly at the same time as me, who does not have a masers in Reading, but whose father is the retired superintendent of a neighboring school district and happens to play golf with our principal is keeping hers. I am not saying that it is a fact that that is the reason, but since I am not being given a reason all I have is conjecture.

I have enjoyed your posts very much. And I am interested to know your answer to this. When you decide to become a principal, do you contemplate the time that you might have to say to someone "We are not going to renew your contract next year. We do not have to give you a reason why, and we are not going to give you a letter of recommendation"? Having to do something like that to someone is enough to keep me from ever wanting to be a principal. Having it done to me is enough to make me finally abandon my life's pursuit of teaching. It seems now to me like such a cruel profession. Doesn't having to do that sort of take all the pleasure out of your job?

On 9/06/08, John J. Stone PK-5 Principal wrote: > Just my thoughts.... > > I read so many posts about people saying you have to know > someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU > in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants > based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher > via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of > college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some > good friends due to one reason or other, hired older > teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all > because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and > THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if > they seem good enough etc. they will get the job! > > I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on > who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who > are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are > not happy so some excuse has to be made. > > I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring > based on who you know etc no matter if you are a street > sweeper,a senator, store clerk, computer programmer, > teacher etc. and that is wrong unless the person is the > best for the job! > > I suggest to anyone looking for a job (myself included if I > were looking) to be yourself in an interview, never claim > to be a "know it all", speak the truth, and learn from > interviews what you lacked by calling and asking how you > could do better to land a job. > > When I first started looking for Principal jobs (13 years > ago) I called and asked why I was not chosen and was told I > needed more experience in curriculum writing. I took a long > look at myself (wanting to blame others for my lack of > knowledge) and got experience so I could land a job once I > took care of my weaknesses. > > I guess what I am saying is "Don't give up! We do hire whom > we feel are the best and you need to sell yourself honestly > to land a job" > > Someday you will land that job but in the meantime don't > blame us or make accusations. Look at yourself also and > improve your interview skills as stated above.

Mar 8, 2009

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Granite Guy It amazes me that people do not understand that as much as having a Masters helps you....it also hurts you.

People with Masters expect to get paid more. In these economic conditions, schools are purposely not hiring people with Masters unless they fill a needed role.

Schools...like everything else....are a business at the end of t...See MoreIt amazes me that people do not understand that as much as having a Masters helps you....it also hurts you.

People with Masters expect to get paid more. In these economic conditions, schools are purposely not hiring people with Masters unless they fill a needed role.

Schools...like everything else....are a business at the end of the day.

On 3/08/09, anon wrote: > hi John, > I am sure that you are right, that not all teaching positions > are granted on a who-you-know basis, but, ironically, once I > did ask why I did not get the job and I was told: "you did > fine, it is just that the person who did get it was better > connected". > > That was back when I was only certified in Social Studies and > face it, you have to know someone or have something > extraordinarily special (like skill in coaching football) to > land an SS position. > > I earned my M.Ed Reading Specialist last spring and was offered > three jobs at school where I knew no one. But the school I > chose is cutting a lot of positions this year, including mine > and I have to say that it seems a bit funny to me that I am > loosing my job, while another reading teacher hired exactly at > the same time as me, who does not have a masers in Reading, but > whose father is the retired superintendent of a neighboring > school district and happens to play golf with our principal is > keeping hers. I am not saying that it is a fact that that is > the reason, but since I am not being given a reason all I have > is conjecture. > > I have enjoyed your posts very much. And I am interested to > know your answer to this. When you decide to become a > principal, do you contemplate the time that you might have to > say to someone "We are not going to renew your contract next > year. We do not have to give you a reason why, and we are not > going to give you a letter of recommendation"? Having to do > something like that to someone is enough to keep me from ever > wanting to be a principal. Having it done to me is enough to > make me finally abandon my life's pursuit of teaching. It > seems now to me like such a cruel profession. Doesn't having to > do that sort of take all the pleasure out of your job? > > > > > > On 9/06/08, John J. Stone PK-5 Principal wrote: >> Just my thoughts.... >> >> I read so many posts about people saying you have to know >> someone or be related or blah blah blah in NH and most SAU >> in NH. As a Principal I hire the best of the applicants >> based on my team who interviews with me. I hired a teacher >> via phone interviews from Ohio, new staff right out of >> college who were complete unknowns to us, did not hire some >> good friends due to one reason or other, hired older >> teachers, younger teachers, those with no experience at all >> because we had a gut feeling they were going to be good and >> THEY WERE! I believe everyone needs that first break and if >> they seem good enough etc. they will get the job! >> >> I really feel comments like hiring in NH is all based on >> who you know, from within etc. is a COP OUT for those who >> are upset they did not get a job after an interview and are >> not happy so some excuse has to be made. >> >> I will not disagree that in some places there is hiring >> based on who you know etc no matter if you are a street >> sweeper,a senator, store clerk, computer programmer, >> teacher etc. and that is wrong unless the person is the >> best for the job! >> >> I suggest to anyone looking for a job (myself included if I >> were looking) to be yourself in an interview, never claim >> to be a "know it all", speak the truth, and learn from >> interviews what you lacked by calling and asking how you >> could do better to land a job. >> >> When I first started looking for Principal jobs (13 years >> ago) I called and asked why I was not chosen and was told I >> needed more experience in curriculum writing. I took a long >> look at myself (wanting to blame others for my lack of >> knowledge) and got experience so I could land a job once I >> took care of my weaknesses. >> >> I guess what I am saying is "Don't give up! We do hire whom >> we feel are the best and you need to sell yourself honestly >> to land a job" >> >> Someday you will land that job but in the meantime don't >> blame us or make accusations. Look at yourself also and >> improve your interview skills as stated above.

Dec 4, 2009

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