Thank you for replying. Yes the tenure laws have changed. The govern changed it a few years back. Tenure use to begin the first day of your 4th year. Now its the first day of your fifth year.
I have the same question I was hired prior to the law change (board approved in July) and now not offered a contract. Shouldn't I have been grandfathered? The state documents are very grey
I am an elementary teacher and yesterday I was given a notice of non renewal. This is my 4th year teaching but my second in this district. I did 2 year long maternity leaves in central Jersey but I relocated after the second. I had one bad observation at the beginning of the year during a math test review (first chapter, new math program) that was very unfair. Ever since then it seems that my observations were given lower scores than they deserved and when I asked for help in the areas where it was noted that I wasn't doing well my admin said he would help but never did anything. I am worried that I won't be able to get another job if I have to check the non renewal box on applitrack. Anyone have any advice or been in this situation before and gotten another job? I really don't want this horrible experience to be the end of my career. :(
Nck16On 4/20/16, anon wrote: > On 4/20/16, anon wrote: >> On 4/20/16, ChemTeacher wrote: >>> On 4/16/16, Nck16 wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am an elementary teacher and yesterday I was given a >>>> notice of non renewal. This is my 4th year teaching >>&g...See MoreOn 4/20/16, anon wrote: > On 4/20/16, anon wrote: >> On 4/20/16, ChemTeacher wrote: >>> On 4/16/16, Nck16 wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am an elementary teacher and yesterday I was given a >>>> notice of non renewal. This is my 4th year teaching >>>> but my second in this district. I did 2 year long >>>> maternity leaves in central Jersey but I relocated >>>> after the >>> second. I >>>> had one bad observation at the beginning of the year >>>> during a math test review (first chapter, new math >>>> program) that was very unfair. Ever since then it >>>> seems that my observations were given lower scores >>>> than they deserved and when I asked for help in the >>>> areas where it was noted that I wasn't doing well my >>>> admin said he would help but never did anything. I am >>>> worried that I won't be able to get another job if I >>>> have to check the >>> non >>>> renewal box on applitrack. Anyone have any advice or >>>> been in this situation before and gotten another job? >>>> I really don't want this horrible experience to be the >>>> end >>> of >>>> my career. :( >>> >>> I wouldn't worry about it too much. Education is full >>> of politics and sometimes you can't win, especially for >>> new teachers in the school/district. I had a similar >>> situation happen to me last year, but it was my very >>> first year of teaching coming from industry after 23 >>> years. I pretty much knew in October that I was not >>> going to be asked back for the following school year. >>> The department chair and I just didn't click. >>> >>> One thing that you want to explore is looking at >>> getting additional licenses in Middle or High School >>> math, which could open up your opportunities even >>> further. >>> >>> Also, I wouldn't worry about finding another job. >>> School districts have constant turnover and hire up to >>> the last minute. One thing that blows my mind. I was >>> interview for both my last two jobs 2 days before the >>> start of school. I have even heard of folks getting >>> hired the day of the start of school. Just keep >>> applying. If the question gets asked why you left, you >>> can say budgetary cuts or department restructuring, >>> whatever. You're low man on the totem pole, so you will >>> always be let go over someone with more experience. >>> >>> One question, when you got your first review feedback, >>> what did it say that you needed to do and did you >>> follow-up on it? Also, our formal reviews are announced >>> and we sit down with our reviewer before the >>> observation and discuss what we are planning and what >>> the reviewer is looking for. >>> >>> As far as doing a brand new lesson for the first time, >>> one that you are unfamiliar with, for a formal review, >>> I would strongly advise against it. Do something that >>> is engaging for the students and in 15 minute or so >>> mini lessons. Practice it BEFORE you have someone >>> observe you for a formal review. >> >> >> It may have worked out for you, and that is great. >> However, for most it is not that way because it is still >> a competitive market in most areas of the country, >> though that is changing. The problem is in the >> application questions. There is only one reason they ask >> the question, and that is to weed you out of the stack >> of applications. You answer "yes," and HR will not >> pursue it further. You lie on an application, if you are >> found out you can have sanctions on your license, and >> then you would have to disclose THAT as well. >> >> When people are canned, they most often do not have the money >> to go and get additional certifications. Being fired >> from teaching basically leaves you destitute. > > > Furthermore you CANNOT say restructuring or budget cuts > if you > are let go for performance reasons. You WILL get caught, > mark my words, if you lie on that application. It won't > matter anyway what the explanation is because you HAVE to > answer yes > on those "background" or "disclosure" questions that are > found near the end of almost every certified application > of almost every public school district in the United > States. The explanation will NOT matter because HR only > looks at whether "yes" or "no" is checked. Many districts > will actually list "no" before "yes," which pretty much > gives the game away that they screen all applications out > of the hiring pool that have any "yes" questions checked > off.
I know that there is no way to get around that question and I have to answer yes. When I said I didn't want to check that box it did not mean that I planned to lie, I just meant that I don't want to do. I did actually have an interview today even though on my application I checked that box so I am not entirely convinced that checking the box automatically files you in a "do not interview pile." I am going to a job fair tomorrow and I have been trying to send my resume to schools that still ask for email or paper copies, many of which don't require you to fill out an application either.
Nck16On 4/19/16, anon wrote: > On 4/16/16, Nck16 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am an elementary teacher and yesterday I was given a >> notice of non renewal. This is my 4th year teaching but >> my second in this district. I did 2 year long maternity >> leaves in central Jersey but I relocated after the > second. I >&...See MoreOn 4/19/16, anon wrote: > On 4/16/16, Nck16 wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am an elementary teacher and yesterday I was given a >> notice of non renewal. This is my 4th year teaching but >> my second in this district. I did 2 year long maternity >> leaves in central Jersey but I relocated after the > second. I >> had one bad observation at the beginning of the year >> during a math test review (first chapter, new math >> program) that was very unfair. Ever since then it seems >> that my observations were given lower scores than they >> deserved and when I asked for help in the areas where it >> was noted that I wasn't doing well my admin said he >> would help but never did anything. I am worried that I >> won't be able to get another job if I have to check the > non >> renewal box on applitrack. Anyone have any advice or >> been in this situation before and gotten another job? I >> really don't want this horrible experience to be the end > of >> my career. :( > > > It is an uphill battle. There is no way around it. You > have to blackball yourself on those applications, and lotsa > luck getting past the initial screening. > > What would you even do for a reference? You wouldn't have > any that count, and many districts require you list your > last supervisor. > > You will likely have to start all over again as a > substitute, or relocate, or go into a completely line of > work. > > I have been there and done that when I was wrongly > terminated eight years ago. I have never taught since, > only subbing and parapro work. >
My principal did offer to write me a letter of recommendation. In a follow up conversation with him he told me he thinks I'm a good teacher, just not a good fit for the district. It is a very small district with no grade level teams or communication, just one teacher for each grade. Also, a colleague of mine from the school I am at who I worked very closely with wrote me a glowing letter so we will see. The letters from my previous positions still count. They were maternity positions and each time I found another job before the year was over. The first one offered me a half year leave for the next year because that was all they had but I needed a whole year to pay my rent and the second one was laying off regular teachers so they obviously weren't going to keep a maternity leave teacher if they were laying off teachers who were about to get tenure. >
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In the US, we typically don't have subject oriented elementary teachers. There typically isn't a 3rd grade Math teacher... they teach all subjects. Some specialty fields are different of course, like reading specialists, art, music (if you find a rich district with those things any more) PE...
In middle school, we do have subject specialists. You will need to apply to the state, sending them all of your transcripts, and see if you can get licensed to teach in NJ. My guess is with only 6 months experience, you will probably look at having to take some tests and/or take additional classes, but only the state can tell you that after evaluating your transcripts.
what could happen to me if I move out of NJ and continue to teacher here? I have heard that I could be terminated after 60 days if I do not have residency here in the state. Is this true
The number "60" is ...See MoreI served several Years in PA, this is my first school year in NJ. Considering a possible lucrative offer to return to PA. My signed/approved contract has me believing non-tenured NJ employees have a 30 day hold and NOT the usual 60 days. I am NOT labeled as an administrator, but rather teacher/Supervisor/Dean.
The number "60" is nowhere in my 2 page contract", but "30" is....
Here is the language: "It is hereby agreed by the parties hereto that this contract may be at any time terminated by either party giving to the other 30 days' notice in writing of intention to terminate the same, but that in the absence of any provision herein for a definite number of days' notice the contract shall run for the full term named above." (Full term named above was Sept 1 - June 30.)
So, am I not considered a "certified" employee?
I ask that specifically, because our Board Policy reads this: "A certified employee shall submit his resignation in writing to the Chief School Administrator at least 60 days prior to the effective date of resignation. This date shall be approved unless the Board of Education desires to accept the resignation sooner. "
Does anyone else sub for Source4Teachers? Do you find it more difficult than usual to find sub jobs? They claim there are all these jobs... but I'm honestly seeing far less than when S4T wasn't supplying the subs for the district I work in.
On 2/24/11, subber123 wrote: > But the problem is that the company "claims" that there are all > these sub jobs and you can work 5 days a week. I sit in front of > the computer are all and nothing goes by. Today I was in a school > and there were at least 10 teachers out in just one school. Why > am I not seeing these jobs? I am assuming secretary's are > automatically putting people in for the teachers... not fair to > the rest of us. > > On 2/24/11, it's everywhere wrote: >> >> The sub rolls are definitely bloated due to the job situation. >> Laid off people outside of teaching, laid off teachers, and new >> grads are subbing. Last year my district used me every single >> day. This year I'm 3-4 days a week. Believe me...it's all >> around and has nothing to do with your subbing agency. In some >> states/regions more subs aren't even being accepted! Good Luck. >> >> On 2/23/11, subber123 wrote: >>> Does anyone else sub for Source4Teachers? Do you find it >>> more difficult than usual to find sub jobs? They claim >>> there are all these jobs... but I'm honestly seeing far >>> less than when S4T wasn't supplying the subs for the >>> district I work in.
JaneOn 2/24/11, didn't like source4 wrote: > There was a sub shortage until the layoffs happened. I'll > be honest, > I started the process with source4 and found them rather annoying > from the beginning. I wanted to have a back up to my > regular district > and thought it would be nice to be in diff...See MoreOn 2/24/11, didn't like source4 wrote: > There was a sub shortage until the layoffs happened. I'll > be honest, > I started the process with source4 and found them rather annoying > from the beginning. I wanted to have a back up to my > regular district > and thought it would be nice to be in different districts > once in a while. I started the process with them, and > went to their beginning > seminar. There was a certain bureaucratic issue I had to > deal with > (odd and nothing wrong on their part). However, they > never returned > calls or answered email and I just found them very > frustrating to deal with. I also found their process > annoying for someone who is a > certified teacher. They didn't really work with many > schools in my > region as well...which they should have told me from the > start. I'm > much happier dealing with a district directly....perhaps > find the nearest very large multi high school suburban > district to you? I'm > getting work again every day since the flu is going > around...hopefully work will pick up for you too. > > > On 2/24/11, subber123 wrote: >> But the problem is that the company "claims" that there >> are all these sub jobs and you can work 5 days a week. I >> sit in front of >> the computer are all and nothing goes by. Today I was in >> a school >> and there were at least 10 teachers out in just one >> school. Why >> am I not seeing these jobs? I am assuming secretary's >> are automatically putting people in for the teachers... >> not fair to the rest of us. >> >> On 2/24/11, it's everywhere wrote: >>> >>> The sub rolls are definitely bloated due to the job >>> situation. Laid off people outside of teaching, laid >>> off teachers, and new >>> grads are subbing. Last year my district used me every single >>> day. This year I'm 3-4 days a week. Believe me...it's >>> all around and has nothing to do with your subbing >>> agency. In some >>> states/regions more subs aren't even being accepted! >>> Good Luck. >>> >>> On 2/23/11, subber123 wrote: >>>> Does anyone else sub for Source4Teachers? Do you find >>>> it more difficult than usual to find sub jobs? They >>>> claim there are all these jobs... but I'm honestly >>>> seeing far less than when S4T wasn't supplying the >>>> subs for the district I work in.
I rarely see any jobs through Source4Teachers! I've had to apply at two separate districts who don't use S4T in hopes of finding some work. I just finished my degree and would like to get my foot in at a district, but at this rate... Where are all the jobs? Who is getting them? Certainly not me. Very frustrating.
I was a counselor for over 10 years. Recently my district abolished my position and hired a supervisor / counselor. My njea rep said I don't have seniority bc it is a new position. My argument is that she still sees over 150 kids and I should be entitled to that case load. Any advice?