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by Confused?

Dec 24, 2009

Hi, I am looking for information regarding joining the union when I become a teacher next spring.

I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? It is against my principles to join a union. I am just looking into it now so I can defend myself later.

Thanks for your time.

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Just saying. How do you know there are terrible science teachers in the area? Good teaching/poor teaching is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The person that I learn best from may be completely different from your idea of a "good teacher".

Just because someone has been doing it for several years does not mean that their ideas are stale.

On 12/...See MoreHow do you know there are terrible science teachers in the area? Good teaching/poor teaching is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The person that I learn best from may be completely different from your idea of a "good teacher".

Just because someone has been doing it for several years does not mean that their ideas are stale.

On 12/31/09, Confused? wrote: > I taught for a while at a few local colleges (part time) since I > have my PhD in Genetics. I got to know a lot students and > teachers in the area. I decided to get my teacher license because > I would have a steady job and I can teach. I would rather teach > in a private school, but beggars cannot be choosers. > With that, there are some terrible science teachers in the area. > For no other reason other than the union/politics, they still have > a job. It's unfortunate that younger teachers cannot get a chance > because they have 20 yrs invested, but have no business teaching > our youth. > Just like sports, teaching should be performance based. You don't > want to do anything, fine, you don't get a raise. The concept of > unions were good 80 years ago, but now they promote mediocrity for > our students. Protecting too many teachers that should not be in > the schools. > It is not an accident that Ohio public schools (as a whole) has a > bottom 10 state ranking in the US, with the likes of WV, > Mississippi and others. Using computerize data analysis is an > effective way to assess teacher/student performance. > > On 12/31/09, Just Curious wrote: >> Why do you not want to join the union? I was just curious. In >> my district you don't have to join but you still have to pay >> a large fee that is only 10 dollars less than the fee that >> members pay. Happy New Year! >> >> >> >> On 12/24/09, Confused? wrote: >>> Hi, I am looking for information regarding joining the union >>> when I become a teacher next spring. >>> >>> I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? It is against my >>> principles to join a union. I am just looking into it now >>> so I can defend myself later. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your time.

Jan 18, 2010

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Confused? Any science teacher who teaches science with worksheets should be fired, how about that? Get off your "eye of the beholder" crap. That's exactly why bad teachers keep their jobs. It's called adapt to the new learning styles or get out. Stale teachers need not apply.

On 1/18/10, Just saying. wrote: > How do you know there are terrible sc...See MoreAny science teacher who teaches science with worksheets should be fired, how about that? Get off your "eye of the beholder" crap. That's exactly why bad teachers keep their jobs. It's called adapt to the new learning styles or get out. Stale teachers need not apply.

On 1/18/10, Just saying. wrote: > How do you know there are terrible science teachers in the area? > Good teaching/poor teaching is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The > person that I learn best from may be completely different from your > idea of a "good teacher". > > Just because someone has been doing it for several years does not > mean that their ideas are stale. > > > > > On 12/31/09, Confused? wrote: >> I taught for a while at a few local colleges (part time) since I >> have my PhD in Genetics. I got to know a lot students and >> teachers in the area. I decided to get my teacher license because >> I would have a steady job and I can teach. I would rather teach >> in a private school, but beggars cannot be choosers. >> With that, there are some terrible science teachers in the area. >> For no other reason other than the union/politics, they still have >> a job. It's unfortunate that younger teachers cannot get a chance >> because they have 20 yrs invested, but have no business teaching >> our youth. >> Just like sports, teaching should be performance based. You don't >> want to do anything, fine, you don't get a raise. The concept of >> unions were good 80 years ago, but now they promote mediocrity for >> our students. Protecting too many teachers that should not be in >> the schools. >> It is not an accident that Ohio public schools (as a whole) has a >> bottom 10 state ranking in the US, with the likes of WV, >> Mississippi and others. Using computerize data analysis is an >> effective way to assess teacher/student performance. >> >> On 12/31/09, Just Curious wrote: >>> Why do you not want to join the union? I was just curious. In >>> my district you don't have to join but you still have to pay >>> a large fee that is only 10 dollars less than the fee that >>> members pay. Happy New Year! >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/24/09, Confused? wrote: >>>> Hi, I am looking for information regarding joining the union >>>> when I become a teacher next spring. >>>> >>>> I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? It is against my >>>> principles to join a union. I am just looking into it now >>>> so I can defend myself later. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for your time.

Jan 18, 2010

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Application vs Regurgitation I am an experienced teacher and it is only within the last few years that I have truly sat back and thought about the quality of education that I was providing to students. Confused is absolutely correct. Teaching science with worksheets is not teaching. It is simply providing information. The students MUST be able to apply the knowledge and not ju...See MoreI am an experienced teacher and it is only within the last few years that I have truly sat back and thought about the quality of education that I was providing to students. Confused is absolutely correct. Teaching science with worksheets is not teaching. It is simply providing information. The students MUST be able to apply the knowledge and not just regurgitate the information back on paper. The same is true of mathematics. As an elementary teacher I began to see that my students were only memorizing how to computate and not truly understanding mathematics. We tend to teach the way we were taught and go through the teacher's editions as if that were the only way to teach. Teachers need to understand mathematics and science in order to teach it so that students understand and can apply the knowledge. Unfortunately, unions do protect those who think have "that is the way I have always done it" mentality. Technology has made our students demand that be actively involved in their education and sitting listening to a lecture in science is not active. I have worked in both union and nonunion states and although it is good to have some sort of protection against unfair treatment I do not think that I could walk away from a classroom of students simply because I wasn't getting paid extra for parent conference time after school.

On 1/18/10, Confused? wrote: > Any science teacher who teaches science with worksheets should be fired, > how about that? Get off your "eye of the beholder" crap. That's > exactly why bad teachers keep their jobs. It's called adapt to the new > learning styles or get out. Stale teachers need not apply. > > > On 1/18/10, Just saying. wrote: >> How do you know there are terrible science teachers in the area? >> Good teaching/poor teaching is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The >> person that I learn best from may be completely different from your >> idea of a "good teacher". >> >> Just because someone has been doing it for several years does not >> mean that their ideas are stale. >> >> >> >> >> On 12/31/09, Confused? wrote: >>> I taught for a while at a few local colleges (part time) since I >>> have my PhD in Genetics. I got to know a lot students and >>> teachers in the area. I decided to get my teacher license because >>> I would have a steady job and I can teach. I would rather teach >>> in a private school, but beggars cannot be choosers. >>> With that, there are some terrible science teachers in the area. >>> For no other reason other than the union/politics, they still have >>> a job. It's unfortunate that younger teachers cannot get a chance >>> because they have 20 yrs invested, but have no business teaching >>> our youth. >>> Just like sports, teaching should be performance based. You don't >>> want to do anything, fine, you don't get a raise. The concept of >>> unions were good 80 years ago, but now they promote mediocrity for >>> our students. Protecting too many teachers that should not be in >>> the schools. >>> It is not an accident that Ohio public schools (as a whole) has a >>> bottom 10 state ranking in the US, with the likes of WV, >>> Mississippi and others. Using computerize data analysis is an >>> effective way to assess teacher/student performance. >>> >>> On 12/31/09, Just Curious wrote: >>>> Why do you not want to join the union? I was just curious. In >>>> my district you don't have to join but you still have to pay >>>> a large fee that is only 10 dollars less than the fee that >>>> members pay. Happy New Year! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/24/09, Confused? wrote: >>>>> Hi, I am looking for information regarding joining the union >>>>> when I become a teacher next spring. >>>>> >>>>> I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? It is against my >>>>> principles to join a union. I am just looking into it now >>>>> so I can defend myself later. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your time.

Jan 19, 2010

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Just saying I teach computers....so I've never had to resort to worksheets and always been hands on. Most electives are.

But all I'm saying is anyone who doesn't recognize different learning styles is the one who will have a rude awakening someday.

Confused needs to keep applying....and stop thinking he's better than other teachers just beca...See MoreI teach computers....so I've never had to resort to worksheets and always been hands on. Most electives are.

But all I'm saying is anyone who doesn't recognize different learning styles is the one who will have a rude awakening someday.

Confused needs to keep applying....and stop thinking he's better than other teachers just because he says he'll be hands on. That alone will not make him/her a better teacher.

On 1/19/10, Application vs Regurgitation wrote: > I am an experienced teacher and it is only within the last few years that > I have truly sat back and thought about the quality of education that I > was providing to students. Confused is absolutely correct. Teaching > science with worksheets is not teaching. It is simply providing > information. The students MUST be able to apply the knowledge and not > just regurgitate the information back on paper. The same is true of > mathematics. As an elementary teacher I began to see that my students > were only memorizing how to computate and not truly understanding > mathematics. We tend to teach the way we were taught and go through the > teacher's editions as if that were the only way to teach. Teachers need > to understand mathematics and science in order to teach it so that > students understand and can apply the knowledge. Unfortunately, unions > do protect those who think have "that is the way I have always done it" > mentality. Technology has made our students demand that be actively > involved in their education and sitting listening to a lecture in science > is not active. I have worked in both union and nonunion states and > although it is good to have some sort of protection against unfair > treatment I do not think that I could walk away from a classroom of > students simply because I wasn't getting paid extra for parent conference > time after school. > > > On 1/18/10, Confused? wrote: >> Any science teacher who teaches science with worksheets should be fired, >> how about that? Get off your "eye of the beholder" crap. That's >> exactly why bad teachers keep their jobs. It's called adapt to the new >> learning styles or get out. Stale teachers need not apply. >> >> >> On 1/18/10, Just saying. wrote: >>> How do you know there are terrible science teachers in the area? >>> Good teaching/poor teaching is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The >>> person that I learn best from may be completely different from your >>> idea of a "good teacher". >>> >>> Just because someone has been doing it for several years does not >>> mean that their ideas are stale. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/31/09, Confused? wrote: >>>> I taught for a while at a few local colleges (part time) since I >>>> have my PhD in Genetics. I got to know a lot students and >>>> teachers in the area. I decided to get my teacher license because >>>> I would have a steady job and I can teach. I would rather teach >>>> in a private school, but beggars cannot be choosers. >>>> With that, there are some terrible science teachers in the area. >>>> For no other reason other than the union/politics, they still have >>>> a job. It's unfortunate that younger teachers cannot get a chance >>>> because they have 20 yrs invested, but have no business teaching >>>> our youth. >>>> Just like sports, teaching should be performance based. You don't >>>> want to do anything, fine, you don't get a raise. The concept of >>>> unions were good 80 years ago, but now they promote mediocrity for >>>> our students. Protecting too many teachers that should not be in >>>> the schools. >>>> It is not an accident that Ohio public schools (as a whole) has a >>>> bottom 10 state ranking in the US, with the likes of WV, >>>> Mississippi and others. Using computerize data analysis is an >>>> effective way to assess teacher/student performance. >>>> >>>> On 12/31/09, Just Curious wrote: >>>>> Why do you not want to join the union? I was just curious. In >>>>> my district you don't have to join but you still have to pay >>>>> a large fee that is only 10 dollars less than the fee that >>>>> members pay. Happy New Year! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/24/09, Confused? wrote: >>>>>> Hi, I am looking for information regarding joining the union >>>>>> when I become a teacher next spring. >>>>>> >>>>>> I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? It is against my >>>>>> principles to join a union. I am just looking into it now >>>>>> so I can defend myself later. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your time.

Jan 29, 2010

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jj I love that this person thinks s/he will be a better teacher than many of those already in place, despite the fact that s/he cannot even compose a grammatically correct post. Now THAT'S the kind of teacher I want for my kid! WAY TO GO, PAL!

On 1/29/10, Just saying wrote: > I teach computers....so I've never had to resort to > workshe...See MoreI love that this person thinks s/he will be a better teacher than many of those already in place, despite the fact that s/he cannot even compose a grammatically correct post. Now THAT'S the kind of teacher I want for my kid! WAY TO GO, PAL!

On 1/29/10, Just saying wrote: > I teach computers....so I've never had to resort to > worksheets and always > been hands on. Most electives are. > > But all I'm saying is anyone who doesn't recognize > different learning styles is the one who will have a > rude awakening someday. > > Confused needs to keep applying....and stop thinking > he's better than other teachers just because he says > he'll be hands on. That alone will not make him/her a > better teacher. > > > > On 1/19/10, Application vs Regurgitation wrote: >> I am an experienced teacher and it is only within the >> last few years that I have truly sat back and thought >> about the quality of education that I was providing >> to students. Confused is absolutely correct. Teaching >> science with worksheets is not teaching. It is simply >> providing information. The students MUST be able to >> apply the knowledge and not just regurgitate the >> information back on paper. The same is true of >> mathematics. As an elementary teacher I began to see >> that my students were only memorizing how to >> computate and not truly understanding mathematics. We >> tend to teach the way we were taught and go through >> the teacher's editions as if that were the only way >> to teach. Teachers need to understand mathematics and >> science in order to teach it so that students >> understand and can apply the knowledge. >> Unfortunately, unions do protect those who think have >> "that is the way I have always done it" >> mentality. Technology has made our students demand >> that be actively involved in their education and >> sitting listening to a lecture in science is not >> active. I have worked in both union and nonunion >> states and although it is good to have some sort of >> protection against unfair treatment I do not think >> that I could walk away from a classroom of students >> simply because I wasn't getting paid extra for parent >> conference time after school. >> >> >> On 1/18/10, Confused? wrote: >>> Any science teacher who teaches science with >>> worksheets should be fired, how about that? Get off >>> your "eye of the beholder" crap. That's >>> exactly why bad teachers keep their jobs. It's >>> called adapt to the new learning styles or get out. >>> Stale teachers need not apply. >>> >>> >>> On 1/18/10, Just saying. wrote: >>>> How do you know there are terrible science >>>> teachers in the area? Good teaching/poor teaching >>>> is ALL in the eye of the beholder. The person >>>> that I learn best from may be completely >>>> different from your idea of a "good >>>> teacher". >>>> >>>> Just because someone has been doing it for >>>> several years does not mean that their ideas are >>>> stale. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/31/09, Confused? wrote: >>>>> I taught for a while at a few local colleges >>>>> (part time) since I have my PhD in Genetics. I >>>>> got to know a lot students and teachers in the >>>>> area. I decided to get my teacher license >>>>> because I would have a steady job and I can >>>>> teach. I would rather teach in a private >>>>> school, but beggars cannot be choosers. With >>>>> that, there are some terrible science teachers >>>>> in the area. For no other reason other than the >>>>> union/politics, they still have a job. It's >>>>> unfortunate that younger teachers cannot get a >>>>> chance because they have 20 yrs invested, but >>>>> have no business teaching our youth. Just like >>>>> sports, teaching should be performance based. >>>>> You don't want to do anything, fine, you don't >>>>> get a raise. The concept of unions were good 80 >>>>> years ago, but now they promote mediocrity for >>>>> our students. Protecting too many teachers that >>>>> should not be in the schools. It is not an >>>>> accident that Ohio public schools (as a whole) >>>>> has a bottom 10 state ranking in the US, with >>>>> the likes of WV, Mississippi and others. Using >>>>> computerize data analysis is an effective way >>>>> to assess teacher/student performance. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/31/09, Just Curious wrote: >>>>>> Why do you not want to join the union? I was >>>>>> just curious. In my district you don't have >>>>>> to join but you still have to pay a large fee >>>>>> that is only 10 dollars less than the fee >>>>>> that members pay. Happy New Year! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/24/09, Confused? wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, I am looking for information regarding >>>>>>> joining the union when I become a teacher >>>>>>> next spring. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I DO NOT want to join. Do I have to join? >>>>>>> It is against my principles to join a >>>>>>> union. I am just looking into it now so I >>>>>>> can defend myself later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your time.

Feb 11, 2010

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