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Salary increases for service personnel

by Aimee

Jan 13, 2011

So glad to hear the service personnel will be taken care of if the salary increases are approved. That guarantees the older ones continue to make more than teachers with 10 years experience and a masters degree. Good thinking Gov. Your teachers will be happy to work harder for you. Bring on all the new skills you'd like us to address. No problem.

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tweaked off Thank you Francisfelus! As a service personnel with 31 years of service I feel that I have earned what I am making. And yes, I have college credit too and will use that to become a paraprofessional in a few more years. The pay scale you quoted is accurate as far as I can tell. I am all for teacher raises and NOT because I get a small percentage too...See MoreThank you Francisfelus! As a service personnel with 31 years of service I feel that I have earned what I am making. And yes, I have college credit too and will use that to become a paraprofessional in a few more years. The pay scale you quoted is accurate as far as I can tell. I am all for teacher raises and NOT because I get a small percentage too but because we need to KEEP the good teachers here in the state. The other poster pretty much says that we are a dime a dozen and yes,that is sadly true. Pride in the work that I do and the compassion that I show the children let me sleep at night, not worrying about who is making more money than me. If I were a teacher and worried about the money aspect of teaching I would get out of this state.

On 1/24/11, Francisfelus wrote: > I love my service personnel. The ones I know work extremely hard for > their money, and I have no problem with paying them what they earn. As > far as making more than a teacher, I would love to know what county > pay scale you are quoting from to make that assumption. Here in > Berkeley, a service person with thirty years of experience who is in > the highest pay catagorie makes $32,470. A teacher with a basic BA and > no experience maks $33,00. So a college kid with a very basic degree > trumps a service person who has been working for thirty years. > > On 1/23/11, SP State wrote: >> I agree with Aimee. Service personnel salaries should never equate >> with a teacher salary. Add to Aimee's reasoning that many > young >> teachers are still paying off college loans. Why would they want to >> stay, or come to a state that pays service personnel as much, if >> not more than many teachers? So Aimee where exactly did you get your > information from? >> >> >> On 1/20/11, Aimee wrote: >>> No, I don't feel better. I have a masters degree which cost a >>> lot of money.What do you bring to the table that hundreds of >>> others in the work force don't have? You have a difficult job. I >>> don't disagree with that. I have issues with the fact that you >>> have no special qualifications, yet continue to receive step >>> raises etc. through the years. How far above minimum wage are >>> you right now? You could be replaced tomorrow with someone who >>> would be happy to make minimum wage and have health insurance.I >>> think you should receive an adequate salary for what you do. I >>> don't think you should ever make as much as a teacher who spent >>> time, money and effort to go to college to get a degree. No >>> disrespect intended. I just think service personnel jobs should >>> be controlled by an outside agency who gives fair, but not >>> exceptional wages for jobs anyone could do. >>> >>> >>> On 1/20/11, tweaked off wrote: >>>> Aimee, I'm sorry that you feel that way! Service personnel work >>>> snow days while you sit home safe and warm, we clean YOUR >>>> messes (not just the messes from the students).. and you think >>>> because you are fresh out of college that you deserve a bigger >>>> salary than somebody that has 30 years of service? Sorry! We >>>> were busting our humps while you were still in diapers. Plus, >>>> service personnel only get HALF of what you get. Do you feel >>>> better now? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/13/11, Aimee wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> So glad to hear the service personnel will be taken care of >>>>> if the salary increases are approved. That guarantees the >>>>> older ones continue to make more than teachers with 10 >>>>> years experience and a masters degree. Good thinking Gov. >>>>> Your teachers will be happy to work harder for you. Bring >>>>> on all the new skills you'd like us to address. No problem.

Jan 24, 2011

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Francisfelus Thanks for your hard work and dedication Tweaked. You are appreciated. For what it's worth, I think you guys deserve a lot more money than you get. I work in a high school, and I have seen some of the attitudes when it comes to service personnel. You all deserve as much respect as everyone else for what you do. I hate it when I see people looking d...See MoreThanks for your hard work and dedication Tweaked. You are appreciated. For what it's worth, I think you guys deserve a lot more money than you get. I work in a high school, and I have seen some of the attitudes when it comes to service personnel. You all deserve as much respect as everyone else for what you do. I hate it when I see people looking down on aids and custodians like they are beneath them. We all work together as a team. Case in point, the thing every college professor tells new grads is that when you get into a school, first off, make friends with the custodians and secretaries. They control the keys to the kingdom.

On 1/24/11, tweaked off wrote: > Thank you Francisfelus! As a service personnel with 31 years of service I > feel that I have earned what I am making. And yes, I have college credit > too and will use that to become a paraprofessional in a few more years. The > pay scale you quoted is accurate as far as I can tell. I am all for teacher > raises and NOT because I get a small percentage too but because we need to > KEEP the good teachers here in the state. The other poster pretty much says > that we are a dime a dozen and yes,that is sadly true. Pride in the work > that I do and the compassion that I show the children let me sleep at > night, not worrying about who is making more money than me. If I were a > teacher and worried about the money aspect of teaching I would get out of > this state. > > > On 1/24/11, Francisfelus wrote: >> I love my service personnel. The ones I know work extremely hard for >> their money, and I have no problem with paying them what they earn. As >> far as making more than a teacher, I would love to know what county >> pay scale you are quoting from to make that assumption. Here in >> Berkeley, a service person with thirty years of experience who is in >> the highest pay catagorie makes $32,470. A teacher with a basic BA and >> no experience maks $33,00. So a college kid with a very basic degree >> trumps a service person who has been working for thirty years. >> >> On 1/23/11, SP State wrote: >>> I agree with Aimee. Service personnel salaries should never equate >>> with a teacher salary. Add to Aimee's reasoning that many >> young >>> teachers are still paying off college loans. Why would they want to >>> stay, or come to a state that pays service personnel as much, if >>> not more than many teachers? So Aimee where exactly did you get your >> information from? >>> >>> >>> On 1/20/11, Aimee wrote: >>>> No, I don't feel better. I have a masters degree which cost a >>>> lot of money.What do you bring to the table that hundreds of >>>> others in the work force don't have? You have a difficult job. I >>>> don't disagree with that. I have issues with the fact that you >>>> have no special qualifications, yet continue to receive step >>>> raises etc. through the years. How far above minimum wage are >>>> you right now? You could be replaced tomorrow with someone who >>>> would be happy to make minimum wage and have health insurance.I >>>> think you should receive an adequate salary for what you do. I >>>> don't think you should ever make as much as a teacher who spent >>>> time, money and effort to go to college to get a degree. No >>>> disrespect intended. I just think service personnel jobs should >>>> be controlled by an outside agency who gives fair, but not >>>> exceptional wages for jobs anyone could do. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/20/11, tweaked off wrote: >>>>> Aimee, I'm sorry that you feel that way! Service personnel work >>>>> snow days while you sit home safe and warm, we clean YOUR >>>>> messes (not just the messes from the students).. and you think >>>>> because you are fresh out of college that you deserve a bigger >>>>> salary than somebody that has 30 years of service? Sorry! We >>>>> were busting our humps while you were still in diapers. Plus, >>>>> service personnel only get HALF of what you get. Do you feel >>>>> better now? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/13/11, Aimee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So glad to hear the service personnel will be taken care of >>>>>> if the salary increases are approved. That guarantees the >>>>>> older ones continue to make more than teachers with 10 >>>>>> years experience and a masters degree. Good thinking Gov. >>>>>> Your teachers will be happy to work harder for you. Bring >>>>>> on all the new skills you'd like us to address. No problem.

Jan 25, 2011

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Gotta Weigh-In!! On 1/25/11, Francisfelus wrote: Hey Frannie- I don't know what school YOU are referring to, but every school I've ever taught at treats the Service personnel MUCH MUCH better than the teachers!!! Gwad knows most school systems fall all over themselves to treat SP's like administrators and keep them happy!

How much OVERTIME do classroom tea...See MoreOn 1/25/11, Francisfelus wrote: Hey Frannie- I don't know what school YOU are referring to, but every school I've ever taught at treats the Service personnel MUCH MUCH better than the teachers!!! Gwad knows most school systems fall all over themselves to treat SP's like administrators and keep them happy!

How much OVERTIME do classroom teachers get for their extra 3-6 HUNDRED HOURS of school related work a year,...hummmmmmm? I know bus drivers that make time and a half to sit and watch a couple ball games. What about the custodian that charges 6 hours overtime to dry-mop a gym floor and empty three trash cans after a dance? Don't preach to me about SP's poor poor existance. I've already spent nearly a thousand dollars out of pocket for supplies this year - has your school cook done that? NONE of these people would get HALF the salary and benefits they get now in the private sector - but the opposite is true of MA degreed teachers. I do not dislike SP's, and most do a decent job - just don't tell me (after 24 years teaching and KNOWING the deal) that the pay between teachers and SP's in WV is remotely fair or an equatible situation!!! Under your salary classifaction scenero Frannie - how much does that poor custodian get if he works even 50 hours overtime (about one-tenth what I'll put in this year in grading, tutoring, mentoring, asst. coaching, weekend lesson planning, etc., etc)? I can tell you exactly what I'm gonna get - nada!

> Thanks for your hard work and dedication Tweaked. You > are appreciated. For > what it's worth, I think you guys deserve a lot more > money than you get. I work in a high school, and I have > seen some of the attitudes when it comes to service > personnel. You all deserve as much respect as everyone > else for what you do. I hate it when I see people > looking down on aids and custodians like they are > beneath them. We all work together as a team. Case in > point, the thing every college professor tells new > grads is that when you get into a school, first off, > make friends with the custodians and secretaries. They > control the keys to the kingdom. > > On 1/24/11, tweaked off wrote: >> Thank you Francisfelus! As a service personnel with >> 31 years of service I feel that I have earned what I >> am making. And yes, I have college credit too and >> will use that to become a paraprofessional in a few >> more years. The pay scale you quoted is accurate as >> far as I can tell. I am all for teacher raises and >> NOT because I get a small percentage too but because >> we need to KEEP the good teachers here in the state. >> The other poster pretty much says that we are a dime >> a dozen and yes,that is sadly true. Pride in the work >> that I do and the compassion that I show the children >> let me sleep at night, not worrying about who is >> making more money than me. If I were a teacher and >> worried about the money aspect of teaching I would >> get out of this state. >> >> >> On 1/24/11, Francisfelus wrote: >>> I love my service personnel. The ones I know work >>> extremely hard for their money, and I have no >>> problem with paying them what they earn. As far as >>> making more than a teacher, I would love to know >>> what county pay scale you are quoting from to make >>> that assumption. Here in Berkeley, a service person >>> with thirty years of experience who is in the >>> highest pay catagorie makes $32,470. A teacher with >>> a basic BA and no experience maks $33,00. So a >>> college kid with a very basic degree trumps a >>> service person who has been working for thirty >>> years. >>> >>> On 1/23/11, SP State wrote: >>>> I agree with Aimee. Service personnel salaries >>>> should never equate with a teacher salary. Add to >>>> Aimee's reasoning that many >>> young >>>> teachers are still paying off college loans. Why >>>> would they want to stay, or come to a state that >>>> pays service personnel as much, if not more than >>>> many teachers? So Aimee where exactly did you get >>>> your >>> information from? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/20/11, Aimee wrote: >>>>> No, I don't feel better. I have a masters >>>>> degree which cost a lot of money.What do you >>>>> bring to the table that hundreds of others in >>>>> the work force don't have? You have a difficult >>>>> job. I don't disagree with that. I have issues >>>>> with the fact that you have no special >>>>> qualifications, yet continue to receive step >>>>> raises etc. through the years. How far above >>>>> minimum wage are you right now? You could be >>>>> replaced tomorrow with someone who would be >>>>> happy to make minimum wage and have health >>>>> insurance.I think you should receive an >>>>> adequate salary for what you do. I don't think >>>>> you should ever make as much as a teacher who >>>>> spent time, money and effort to go to college >>>>> to get a degree. No disrespect intended. I just >>>>> think service personnel jobs should be >>>>> controlled by an outside agency who gives fair, >>>>> but not exceptional wages for jobs anyone could >>>>> do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/20/11, tweaked off wrote: >>>>>> Aimee, I'm sorry that you feel that way! >>>>>> Service personnel work snow days while you >>>>>> sit home safe and warm, we clean YOUR messes >>>>>> (not just the messes from the students).. and >>>>>> you think because you are fresh out of >>>>>> college that you deserve a bigger salary than >>>>>> somebody that has 30 years of service? Sorry! >>>>>> We were busting our humps while you were >>>>>> still in diapers. Plus, service personnel >>>>>> only get HALF of what you get. Do you feel >>>>>> better now? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/13/11, Aimee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> So glad to hear the service personnel will >>>>>>> be taken care of if the salary increases >>>>>>> are approved. That guarantees the older >>>>>>> ones continue to make more than teachers >>>>>>> with 10 years experience and a masters >>>>>>> degree. Good thinking Gov. Your teachers >>>>>>> will be happy to work harder for you. Bring >>>>>>> on all the new skills you'd like us to >>>>>>> address. No problem.

Jan 28, 2011

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Aimee Wonderfully written "Gotta Weigh-In". Money for our raises could be found if these extreme salaries and overtime "deals" were stopped. We put tons of money into an education and do not receive salary increases or opportunities for overtime. SP bring only life experience to the table(which everyone has) and make better salaries than professionals. H...See MoreWonderfully written "Gotta Weigh-In". Money for our raises could be found if these extreme salaries and overtime "deals" were stopped. We put tons of money into an education and do not receive salary increases or opportunities for overtime. SP bring only life experience to the table(which everyone has) and make better salaries than professionals. How is this fair---and more importantly, why do we allow it to continue?

On 1/28/11, Gotta Weigh-In!! wrote: > On 1/25/11, Francisfelus wrote: > Hey Frannie- > I don't know what school YOU are referring to, but every > school I've ever taught at treats the Service personnel > MUCH MUCH better than the teachers!!! Gwad knows most > school systems fall all over themselves to treat SP's like > administrators and keep them happy! > > How much OVERTIME do classroom teachers get for their > extra 3-6 HUNDRED HOURS of school related work a > year,...hummmmmmm? I know bus drivers that make time and a > half to sit and watch a couple ball games. What about the > custodian that charges 6 hours overtime to dry-mop a gym > floor and empty three trash cans after a dance? Don't > preach to me about SP's poor poor existance. I've already > spent nearly a thousand dollars out of pocket for supplies > this year - has your school cook done that? NONE of these > people would get HALF the salary and benefits they get now > in the private sector - but the opposite is true of MA > degreed teachers. > I do not dislike SP's, and most do a decent job - just > don't tell me (after 24 years teaching and KNOWING the > deal) that the pay between teachers and SP's in WV is > remotely fair or an equatible situation!!! > Under your salary classifaction scenero Frannie - how much > does that poor custodian get if he works even 50 hours > overtime (about one-tenth what I'll put in this year in > grading, tutoring, mentoring, asst. coaching, weekend > lesson planning, etc., etc)? > I can tell you exactly what I'm gonna get - nada! > > >> Thanks for your hard work and dedication Tweaked. You >> are appreciated. For >> what it's worth, I think you guys deserve a lot more >> money than you get. I work in a high school, and I have >> seen some of the attitudes when it comes to service >> personnel. You all deserve as much respect as everyone >> else for what you do. I hate it when I see people >> looking down on aids and custodians like they are >> beneath them. We all work together as a team. Case in >> point, the thing every college professor tells new >> grads is that when you get into a school, first off, >> make friends with the custodians and secretaries. They >> control the keys to the kingdom. >> >> On 1/24/11, tweaked off wrote: >>> Thank you Francisfelus! As a service personnel with >>> 31 years of service I feel that I have earned what I >>> am making. And yes, I have college credit too and >>> will use that to become a paraprofessional in a few >>> more years. The pay scale you quoted is accurate as >>> far as I can tell. I am all for teacher raises and >>> NOT because I get a small percentage too but because >>> we need to KEEP the good teachers here in the state. >>> The other poster pretty much says that we are a dime >>> a dozen and yes,that is sadly true. Pride in the work >>> that I do and the compassion that I show the children >>> let me sleep at night, not worrying about who is >>> making more money than me. If I were a teacher and >>> worried about the money aspect of teaching I would >>> get out of this state. >>> >>> >>> On 1/24/11, Francisfelus wrote: >>>> I love my service personnel. The ones I know work >>>> extremely hard for their money, and I have no >>>> problem with paying them what they earn. As far as >>>> making more than a teacher, I would love to know >>>> what county pay scale you are quoting from to make >>>> that assumption. Here in Berkeley, a service person >>>> with thirty years of experience who is in the >>>> highest pay catagorie makes $32,470. A teacher with >>>> a basic BA and no experience maks $33,00. So a >>>> college kid with a very basic degree trumps a >>>> service person who has been working for thirty >>>> years. >>>> >>>> On 1/23/11, SP State wrote: >>>>> I agree with Aimee. Service personnel salaries >>>>> should never equate with a teacher salary. Add to >>>>> Aimee's reasoning that many >>>> young >>>>> teachers are still paying off college loans. Why >>>>> would they want to stay, or come to a state that >>>>> pays service personnel as much, if not more than >>>>> many teachers? So Aimee where exactly did you get >>>>> your >>>> information from? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/20/11, Aimee wrote: >>>>>> No, I don't feel better. I have a masters >>>>>> degree which cost a lot of money.What do you >>>>>> bring to the table that hundreds of others in >>>>>> the work force don't have? You have a difficult >>>>>> job. I don't disagree with that. I have issues >>>>>> with the fact that you have no special >>>>>> qualifications, yet continue to receive step >>>>>> raises etc. through the years. How far above >>>>>> minimum wage are you right now? You could be >>>>>> replaced tomorrow with someone who would be >>>>>> happy to make minimum wage and have health >>>>>> insurance.I think you should receive an >>>>>> adequate salary for what you do. I don't think >>>>>> you should ever make as much as a teacher who >>>>>> spent time, money and effort to go to college >>>>>> to get a degree. No disrespect intended. I just >>>>>> think service personnel jobs should be >>>>>> controlled by an outside agency who gives fair, >>>>>> but not exceptional wages for jobs anyone could >>>>>> do. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/20/11, tweaked off wrote: >>>>>>> Aimee, I'm sorry that you feel that way! >>>>>>> Service personnel work snow days while you >>>>>>> sit home safe and warm, we clean YOUR messes >>>>>>> (not just the messes from the students).. and >>>>>>> you think because you are fresh out of >>>>>>> college that you deserve a bigger salary than >>>>>>> somebody that has 30 years of service? Sorry! >>>>>>> We were busting our humps while you were >>>>>>> still in diapers. Plus, service personnel >>>>>>> only get HALF of what you get. Do you feel >>>>>>> better now? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/13/11, Aimee wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So glad to hear the service personnel will >>>>>>>> be taken care of if the salary increases >>>>>>>> are approved. That guarantees the older >>>>>>>> ones continue to make more than teachers >>>>>>>> with 10 years experience and a masters >>>>>>>> degree. Good thinking Gov. Your teachers >>>>>>>> will be happy to work harder for you. Bring >>>>>>>> on all the new skills you'd like us to >>>>>>>> address. No problem.

Jan 29, 2011

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JMO Has anyone heard anything about the "audit" that King Joe called for several months ago?

On 1/29/11, Aimee wrote: > > Wonderfully written "Gotta Weigh-In". Money for our raises > could be found if these extreme salaries and overtime "deals" > were stopped. We put tons of money into an education and do not > receive salary i...See More

Jan 31, 2011

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