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When is enough going to be enough

by teachtilidieorstarve

Feb 16, 2011

We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the legislature continues in the same direction then we might make that five years.

I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has called on members to bombard the legislators with phone calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to call every day at lunch, and after work.

Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature to move towards a long term solution to our ever diminishing pay?

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Jeffferson County Teacher Hello! I am a Teacher in expensive Jefferson Co. PS and I can tell you that the administration can make a difference.

Last year the principal from Jefferson HS , Howard Guth was caught driving drunk from the Charlestown Race Track and got it away, what if that was a teacher?

The administration want us to do more with less basicall...See MoreHello! I am a Teacher in expensive Jefferson Co. PS and I can tell you that the administration can make a difference.

Last year the principal from Jefferson HS , Howard Guth was caught driving drunk from the Charlestown Race Track and got it away, what if that was a teacher?

The administration want us to do more with less basically. And many times some in the admistration may take the side of the parents. Last year there was EDLINE, this year is Live Grades, it is a constant changing environment. Kids call bomb threats, come late to class, and one of the Assistant Principals (Mr. Sites) holds referrals for days rather than process them in the same day at Jefferson HS. And Ms. Sites is a nurse at Jefferson HS too.

On 2/18/11, been there @ WOW wrote: > It is amazing that everyone is so quick to jump on the teachers for > the low test scores. What about the administration that decides on > the curriculum. What about the large class size. What about the > many students who do not come to school unprepared to learn. How > about the kids in the classroom who are there to disrupt and be > foolish......teachers can do very little. The kid has an IEP so > his behavior is excused. We had the same disorders 40 years ago > but no one got away with being disruptive. How about the teacher > having 30+ students who vary in IQ from 70 to 120+. The teacher is > required to reteach material to the low level learners while the > more advanced kids get bored and begin causing their own mischief. > The teachers are cramming to get the required amout of time for the > students in the computer lab. There are various test batteries > through the year that take time away from teaching. The kids these > days are also smart enough to know that the standardized test mean > nothing to their grades, so many of them simply do not care. many > of the parents do not care either. Some of the bright kids are so > bored over going over the material for the test that they develop a > negative attitude toward it. Oh, there are also the parents of the > kids that cause trouble in school.......NO HELP AT ALL. > > I have belabored that to make the point. Teachers work in one of > the most stressful work environments in America. They work 7.5 > hours a day in school, then go home to an average of 4 hours of > paperwork per night. > > On 2/18/11, Hmmmm wrote: >> Dear WOW: >> >> As a classroom teacher I wish your comments were NOT true. >> Unfortunately, you characterize many who are teachers. >> >> As for the test scores and salary: We were #1 in the world when >> the Federal Department of Education was started. Now, our >> HIGHEST ranking is in science at #23. Math is lower, and reading >> is in the mid 40's. We could easily eliminate the $$$ spent at >> the federal level, divide that amount by two and send half back >> to the states and use the other half to pay down the debt. >> Clearly the federal department of edcuation is useless AND >> pointless. >> >> On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: >>> When there is no money for anything or anyone due to the >>> economy then their must be cuts. Teachers are no more >>> special than anyone else and should have to go through the >>> hard times the same as everyone else. >>> >>> Yes your job is important but it doesnt make you any better >>> than the next person. People accuse the rich of being >>> elitist but it is people in unions who act like they are God >>> and Deserve everything on a silver platter and should not >>> have to suffer like the rest of us common peasants. >>> >>> And lets look at the test scores shall we? All across the >>> state scores are pathetic. That is all the proof we need to >>> know teachers are not doing the job they are paid for. Pay >>> should be based on performance and nothing else. Our kids >>> suffer because 80 to 90 percent of the teachers are just in >>> it for the money and not the kids. Those teachers are no >>> better than lazy people on a welfare check because all they >>> are doing is collecting a handout and doing nothing. >>> >>> I would agree that not only performance should determine pay >>> rates but location and cost as living as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/16/11, teachtilidieorstarve wrote: >>>> We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the >>>> legislature continues in the same direction then we might >>>> make that five years. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has >>>> called on members to bombard the legislators with phone >>>> calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to >>>> call every day at lunch, and after work. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature >>>> to move towards a long term solution to our ever >>>> diminishing pay?

Feb 18, 2011

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WOW My wife is a teacher and we both agree counties should get to keep more of their money. And it should only be used to pay teachers. Not personal, board members or anyone else.

Test scores are low because most teachers dont want to teach like I stated before. And the ones who do want to teach cant because of all the stupid paper work, silly...See MoreMy wife is a teacher and we both agree counties should get to keep more of their money. And it should only be used to pay teachers. Not personal, board members or anyone else.

Test scores are low because most teachers dont want to teach like I stated before. And the ones who do want to teach cant because of all the stupid paper work, silly pointless rules and other non sense that the government throws out there.

The people who make the rules have never been in a class room and have no expierence with schools. It should be required that anyone in a education appointed posistion should have 10 years expierence in a class room before they are even eligible for the job. To many idiots without a clue are making decisions on something they know nothing about.

On 2/18/11, Hmmmm wrote: > Dear WOW: > > As a classroom teacher I wish your comments were NOT true. > Unfortunately, you characterize many who are teachers. > > As for the test scores and salary: We were #1 in the world when > the Federal Department of Education was started. Now, our > HIGHEST ranking is in science at #23. Math is lower, and reading > is in the mid 40's. We could easily eliminate the $$$ spent at > the federal level, divide that amount by two and send half back > to the states and use the other half to pay down the debt. > Clearly the federal department of edcuation is useless AND > pointless. > > On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: >> When there is no money for anything or anyone due to the >> economy then their must be cuts. Teachers are no more >> special than anyone else and should have to go through the >> hard times the same as everyone else. >> >> Yes your job is important but it doesnt make you any better >> than the next person. People accuse the rich of being >> elitist but it is people in unions who act like they are God >> and Deserve everything on a silver platter and should not >> have to suffer like the rest of us common peasants. >> >> And lets look at the test scores shall we? All across the >> state scores are pathetic. That is all the proof we need to >> know teachers are not doing the job they are paid for. Pay >> should be based on performance and nothing else. Our kids >> suffer because 80 to 90 percent of the teachers are just in >> it for the money and not the kids. Those teachers are no >> better than lazy people on a welfare check because all they >> are doing is collecting a handout and doing nothing. >> >> I would agree that not only performance should determine pay >> rates but location and cost as living as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/16/11, teachtilidieorstarve wrote: >>> We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the >>> legislature continues in the same direction then we might >>> make that five years. >>> >>> I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has >>> called on members to bombard the legislators with phone >>> calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to >>> call every day at lunch, and after work. >>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature >>> to move towards a long term solution to our ever >>> diminishing pay?

Feb 18, 2011

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WOW While I dont agree with everything you say I do see some of your points.

Maybe you can explain something to me. This thing called inclusion? I understand putting children with disablities and things in class with their class mates but shouldnt that only be in classes like PE, Art, Music and such? When did they do away with grouping kids b...See MoreWhile I dont agree with everything you say I do see some of your points.

Maybe you can explain something to me. This thing called inclusion? I understand putting children with disablities and things in class with their class mates but shouldnt that only be in classes like PE, Art, Music and such? When did they do away with grouping kids by ability? Its been years since I was in school but we had our classes broke down to four groups by ability.

It would seem me need to go back to that system. That way each group is taught at the level they require. I am not sure why schools stopped doing this.

Also I dont understand this thing about block scheduling. Why classes are taught for longer time periods but only for one semester. I believe they need to drop this system and go back to teaching each subject all year long like it used to be. I do remember when WV adopted this format other states laughed at us because they tried it and it failed so they all switched back yet for some reason we had to follow thier failures.

Not sure how things are were you are but around here teachers refuse to let parents help. They get act bothered if you want to help with things in the school and are quite rude about it. Teachers here have an attitude and treat everyone like they are low class and beneath them. I think they all need to be required to take classes on professional behavior and manners.

On 2/18/11, been there @ WOW wrote: > It is amazing that everyone is so quick to jump on the teachers for > the low test scores. What about the administration that decides on > the curriculum. What about the large class size. What about the > many students who do not come to school unprepared to learn. How > about the kids in the classroom who are there to disrupt and be > foolish......teachers can do very little. The kid has an IEP so > his behavior is excused. We had the same disorders 40 years ago > but no one got away with being disruptive. How about the teacher > having 30+ students who vary in IQ from 70 to 120+. The teacher is > required to reteach material to the low level learners while the > more advanced kids get bored and begin causing their own mischief. > The teachers are cramming to get the required amout of time for the > students in the computer lab. There are various test batteries > through the year that take time away from teaching. The kids these > days are also smart enough to know that the standardized test mean > nothing to their grades, so many of them simply do not care. many > of the parents do not care either. Some of the bright kids are so > bored over going over the material for the test that they develop a > negative attitude toward it. Oh, there are also the parents of the > kids that cause trouble in school.......NO HELP AT ALL. > > I have belabored that to make the point. Teachers work in one of > the most stressful work environments in America. They work 7.5 > hours a day in school, then go home to an average of 4 hours of > paperwork per night. > > On 2/18/11, Hmmmm wrote: >> Dear WOW: >> >> As a classroom teacher I wish your comments were NOT true. >> Unfortunately, you characterize many who are teachers. >> >> As for the test scores and salary: We were #1 in the world when >> the Federal Department of Education was started. Now, our >> HIGHEST ranking is in science at #23. Math is lower, and reading >> is in the mid 40's. We could easily eliminate the $$$ spent at >> the federal level, divide that amount by two and send half back >> to the states and use the other half to pay down the debt. >> Clearly the federal department of edcuation is useless AND >> pointless. >> >> On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: >>> When there is no money for anything or anyone due to the >>> economy then their must be cuts. Teachers are no more >>> special than anyone else and should have to go through the >>> hard times the same as everyone else. >>> >>> Yes your job is important but it doesnt make you any better >>> than the next person. People accuse the rich of being >>> elitist but it is people in unions who act like they are God >>> and Deserve everything on a silver platter and should not >>> have to suffer like the rest of us common peasants. >>> >>> And lets look at the test scores shall we? All across the >>> state scores are pathetic. That is all the proof we need to >>> know teachers are not doing the job they are paid for. Pay >>> should be based on performance and nothing else. Our kids >>> suffer because 80 to 90 percent of the teachers are just in >>> it for the money and not the kids. Those teachers are no >>> better than lazy people on a welfare check because all they >>> are doing is collecting a handout and doing nothing. >>> >>> I would agree that not only performance should determine pay >>> rates but location and cost as living as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/16/11, teachtilidieorstarve wrote: >>>> We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the >>>> legislature continues in the same direction then we might >>>> make that five years. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has >>>> called on members to bombard the legislators with phone >>>> calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to >>>> call every day at lunch, and after work. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature >>>> to move towards a long term solution to our ever >>>> diminishing pay?

Feb 18, 2011

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block I will tentatively speak to the portion about block.

I teach on the 45 minute traditional schedule.

I do tutoring for students who are on the block schedule (4x4, aka one semester of 4 classes only).

My students covered more curriculum than the other schools on the block. This was true in October, November, December, and ...See MoreI will tentatively speak to the portion about block.

I teach on the 45 minute traditional schedule.

I do tutoring for students who are on the block schedule (4x4, aka one semester of 4 classes only).

My students covered more curriculum than the other schools on the block. This was true in October, November, December, and by the end of the semester. My students still have 1/2 a year remaining while those other students (from four different counties) were on to another set of 4 classes. I then polled other teachers in two districts who are on the traditional 45 minute period and all were within a chapter of where I was at the end of the semester, or about 2 chapters ahead of students who were finished on the block!!!

All schools are in WV.

On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: > While I dont agree with everything you say I do see some of your > points. > > Maybe you can explain something to me. This thing called inclusion? > I understand putting children with disablities and things in class > with their class mates but shouldnt that only be in classes like PE, > Art, Music and such? When did they do away with grouping kids by > ability? Its been years since I was in school but we had our classes > broke down to four groups by ability. > > It would seem me need to go back to that system. That way each group > is taught at the level they require. I am not sure why schools > stopped doing this. > > Also I dont understand this thing about block scheduling. Why classes > are taught for longer time periods but only for one semester. I > believe they need to drop this system and go back to teaching each > subject all year long like it used to be. I do remember when WV > adopted this format other states laughed at us because they tried it > and it failed so they all switched back yet for some reason we had to > follow thier failures. > > Not sure how things are were you are but around here teachers refuse > to let parents help. They get act bothered if you want to help with > things in the school and are quite rude about it. Teachers here have > an attitude and treat everyone like they are low class and beneath > them. I think they all need to be required to take classes on > professional behavior and manners. > > > > On 2/18/11, been there @ WOW wrote: >> It is amazing that everyone is so quick to jump on the teachers for >> the low test scores. What about the administration that decides on >> the curriculum. What about the large class size. What about the >> many students who do not come to school unprepared to learn. How >> about the kids in the classroom who are there to disrupt and be >> foolish......teachers can do very little. The kid has an IEP so >> his behavior is excused. We had the same disorders 40 years ago >> but no one got away with being disruptive. How about the teacher >> having 30+ students who vary in IQ from 70 to 120+. The teacher is >> required to reteach material to the low level learners while the >> more advanced kids get bored and begin causing their own mischief. >> The teachers are cramming to get the required amout of time for the >> students in the computer lab. There are various test batteries >> through the year that take time away from teaching. The kids these >> days are also smart enough to know that the standardized test mean >> nothing to their grades, so many of them simply do not care. many >> of the parents do not care either. Some of the bright kids are so >> bored over going over the material for the test that they develop a >> negative attitude toward it. Oh, there are also the parents of the >> kids that cause trouble in school.......NO HELP AT ALL. >> >> I have belabored that to make the point. Teachers work in one of >> the most stressful work environments in America. They work 7.5 >> hours a day in school, then go home to an average of 4 hours of >> paperwork per night. >> >> On 2/18/11, Hmmmm wrote: >>> Dear WOW: >>> >>> As a classroom teacher I wish your comments were NOT true. >>> Unfortunately, you characterize many who are teachers. >>> >>> As for the test scores and salary: We were #1 in the world when >>> the Federal Department of Education was started. Now, our >>> HIGHEST ranking is in science at #23. Math is lower, and reading >>> is in the mid 40's. We could easily eliminate the $$$ spent at >>> the federal level, divide that amount by two and send half back >>> to the states and use the other half to pay down the debt. >>> Clearly the federal department of edcuation is useless AND >>> pointless. >>> >>> On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: >>>> When there is no money for anything or anyone due to the >>>> economy then their must be cuts. Teachers are no more >>>> special than anyone else and should have to go through the >>>> hard times the same as everyone else. >>>> >>>> Yes your job is important but it doesnt make you any better >>>> than the next person. People accuse the rich of being >>>> elitist but it is people in unions who act like they are God >>>> and Deserve everything on a silver platter and should not >>>> have to suffer like the rest of us common peasants. >>>> >>>> And lets look at the test scores shall we? All across the >>>> state scores are pathetic. That is all the proof we need to >>>> know teachers are not doing the job they are paid for. Pay >>>> should be based on performance and nothing else. Our kids >>>> suffer because 80 to 90 percent of the teachers are just in >>>> it for the money and not the kids. Those teachers are no >>>> better than lazy people on a welfare check because all they >>>> are doing is collecting a handout and doing nothing. >>>> >>>> I would agree that not only performance should determine pay >>>> rates but location and cost as living as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/16/11, teachtilidieorstarve wrote: >>>>> We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the >>>>> legislature continues in the same direction then we might >>>>> make that five years. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has >>>>> called on members to bombard the legislators with phone >>>>> calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to >>>>> call every day at lunch, and after work. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature >>>>> to move towards a long term solution to our ever >>>>> diminishing pay?

Feb 19, 2011

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WV TEacher The administration should be held accountable to the same standards as teachers really!

On 2/18/11, Jeffferson County Teacher wrote: > Hello! I am a Teacher in expensive Jefferson Co. PS and I can tell you > that the administration can make a difference. > > Last year the principal from Jefferson HS , Howard Guth was caught >...See MoreThe administration should be held accountable to the same standards as teachers really!

On 2/18/11, Jeffferson County Teacher wrote: > Hello! I am a Teacher in expensive Jefferson Co. PS and I can tell you > that the administration can make a difference. > > Last year the principal from Jefferson HS , Howard Guth was caught > driving drunk from the Charlestown Race Track and got it away, what if > that was a teacher? > > The administration want us to do more with less basically. And many > times some in the admistration may take the side of the parents. Last > year there was EDLINE, this year is Live Grades, it is a constant > changing environment. Kids call bomb threats, come late to class, and > one of the Assistant Principals (Mr. Sites) holds referrals for days > rather than process them in the same day at Jefferson HS. And Ms. > Sites is a nurse at Jefferson HS too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/18/11, been there @ WOW wrote: >> It is amazing that everyone is so quick to jump on the teachers for >> the low test scores. What about the administration that decides on >> the curriculum. What about the large class size. What about the >> many students who do not come to school unprepared to learn. How >> about the kids in the classroom who are there to disrupt and be >> foolish......teachers can do very little. The kid has an IEP so >> his behavior is excused. We had the same disorders 40 years ago >> but no one got away with being disruptive. How about the teacher >> having 30+ students who vary in IQ from 70 to 120+. The teacher is >> required to reteach material to the low level learners while the >> more advanced kids get bored and begin causing their own mischief. >> The teachers are cramming to get the required amout of time for the >> students in the computer lab. There are various test batteries >> through the year that take time away from teaching. The kids these >> days are also smart enough to know that the standardized test mean >> nothing to their grades, so many of them simply do not care. many >> of the parents do not care either. Some of the bright kids are so >> bored over going over the material for the test that they develop a >> negative attitude toward it. Oh, there are also the parents of the >> kids that cause trouble in school.......NO HELP AT ALL. >> >> I have belabored that to make the point. Teachers work in one of >> the most stressful work environments in America. They work 7.5 >> hours a day in school, then go home to an average of 4 hours of >> paperwork per night. >> >> On 2/18/11, Hmmmm wrote: >>> Dear WOW: >>> >>> As a classroom teacher I wish your comments were NOT true. >>> Unfortunately, you characterize many who are teachers. >>> >>> As for the test scores and salary: We were #1 in the world when >>> the Federal Department of Education was started. Now, our >>> HIGHEST ranking is in science at #23. Math is lower, and reading >>> is in the mid 40's. We could easily eliminate the $$$ spent at >>> the federal level, divide that amount by two and send half back >>> to the states and use the other half to pay down the debt. >>> Clearly the federal department of edcuation is useless AND >>> pointless. >>> >>> On 2/18/11, WOW wrote: >>>> When there is no money for anything or anyone due to the >>>> economy then their must be cuts. Teachers are no more >>>> special than anyone else and should have to go through the >>>> hard times the same as everyone else. >>>> >>>> Yes your job is important but it doesnt make you any better >>>> than the next person. People accuse the rich of being >>>> elitist but it is people in unions who act like they are God >>>> and Deserve everything on a silver platter and should not >>>> have to suffer like the rest of us common peasants. >>>> >>>> And lets look at the test scores shall we? All across the >>>> state scores are pathetic. That is all the proof we need to >>>> know teachers are not doing the job they are paid for. Pay >>>> should be based on performance and nothing else. Our kids >>>> suffer because 80 to 90 percent of the teachers are just in >>>> it for the money and not the kids. Those teachers are no >>>> better than lazy people on a welfare check because all they >>>> are doing is collecting a handout and doing nothing. >>>> >>>> I would agree that not only performance should determine pay >>>> rates but location and cost as living as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/16/11, teachtilidieorstarve wrote: >>>>> We have went four years without a pay raise, and if the >>>>> legislature continues in the same direction then we might >>>>> make that five years. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why neither of the teacher organizations has >>>>> called on members to bombard the legislators with phone >>>>> calls yet, but I started calling at lunch today. I plan to >>>>> call every day at lunch, and after work. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any ideas that might get the legislature >>>>> to move towards a long term solution to our ever >>>>> diminishing pay?

Feb 20, 2011

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