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Class size isn't just about management skills....

by Tallytchr

Jun 16, 2011

It's about the amount of documentation required and the time it takes to keep track of 175 benchmarks, the RTI interventions, the behavior management plans, the lesson plans that must have objectives and benchmarks documented, and the day to day communication that has always been necessary.

We have to do so much more "proving what we do" now than in the past. The difference between 22 students and 30 students can be hours of documentation.

Of course good teachers can manage a larger class size, but the time spent on the paperwork is more of an issue to me.

Anyone else agree? Disagree?

I know I spend many more hours on documentation now than I did 10-15 years ago and it does take away from how much time I have for planning and creating lessons and activities for my students.

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J's mom And, all that extra paperwork takes more time that ends up coming from our families.

On 6/16/11, muse wrote: > oh..you said it well. Thank you! > > > > On 6/16/11, I agree wrote: >> I agree that someone with good management skills can >> handle larger class sizes. The paperwork involved though takes >> a t...See More

Jun 16, 2011

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Terry I agree with you concerning paperwork being a major issue. As a MS English teacher I spend more time grading papers and reading essays at home then ever before. There is not enough time at school because of parent conferences (175 students compared to 100--many moons ago) and working with other teachers on SST's and IEPS's.

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Jun 17, 2011

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Cyndie McKee I can not agree with you enought. The paper work is becoming to be a true issue. after completing and documenting everything there is less time to plan and enjoy teaching. I find me arriving earlier and leaving school later to keep up with the enormus amount of paper work. Then throw in the increase in class sixe, what is one to say. In Indiana stu...See MoreI can not agree with you enought. The paper work is becoming to be a true issue. after completing and documenting everything there is less time to plan and enjoy teaching. I find me arriving earlier and leaving school later to keep up with the enormus amount of paper work. Then throw in the increase in class sixe, what is one to say. In Indiana students now may attend any school in the state without paying for tuition. Our system picke up 125 students so far. I guess that is a compliment to the school system, but the classes are getting bigger.

On 6/17/11, Terry wrote: > I agree with you concerning paperwork being a major issue. As > a MS English teacher I spend more time grading papers and > reading essays at home then ever before. There is not enough > time at school because of parent conferences (175 students > compared to 100--many moons ago) and working with other > teachers on SST's and IEPS's. > > I can manage a larger class size with no problem. I just > don't have enough space in my classroom for the extra desks. > Grouping desks and students is almost impossible because of > space. I end up with my desks in rows and I hate it. > > Terry > > On 6/16/11, Tallytchr wrote: >> It's about the amount of documentation required and the >> time it takes to keep track of 175 benchmarks, the RTI >> interventions, the behavior management plans, the lesson >> plans that must have objectives and benchmarks documented, >> and the day to day communication that has always been >> necessary. >> >> We have to do so much more "proving what we do" now than in >> the past. The difference between 22 students and 30 >> students can be hours of documentation. >> >> Of course good teachers can manage a larger class size, but >> the time spent on the paperwork is more of an issue to me. >> >> Anyone else agree? Disagree? >> >> I know I spend many more hours on documentation now than I >> did 10-15 years ago and it does take away from how much >> time I have for planning and creating lessons and >> activities for my students.

Jun 24, 2011

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catherine I totally agree on the issue of us teachers having to prove ourselves to some people who are not in the classroom to learn first hand how the size of the class affect individualized help in class. The paperwork also is driving us nuts. I have tons of papers at home and in class , ahhhhh God help us! On 6/24/11, Cyndie McKee wrote: > I can not ag...See MoreI totally agree on the issue of us teachers having to prove ourselves to some people who are not in the classroom to learn first hand how the size of the class affect individualized help in class. The paperwork also is driving us nuts. I have tons of papers at home and in class , ahhhhh God help us! On 6/24/11, Cyndie McKee wrote: > I can not agree with you enought. The paper work is becoming to > be a true issue. after completing and documenting everything > there is less time to plan and enjoy teaching. I find me > arriving earlier and leaving school later to keep up with the > enormus amount of paper work. Then throw in the increase in > class sixe, what is one to say. In Indiana students now may > attend any school in the state without paying for tuition. Our > system picke up 125 students so far. I guess that is a compliment > to the school system, but the classes are getting bigger. > > > > > > On 6/17/11, Terry wrote: >> I agree with you concerning paperwork being a major issue. As >> a MS English teacher I spend more time grading papers and >> reading essays at home then ever before. There is not enough >> time at school because of parent conferences (175 students >> compared to 100--many moons ago) and working with other >> teachers on SST's and IEPS's. >> >> I can manage a larger class size with no problem. I just >> don't have enough space in my classroom for the extra desks. >> Grouping desks and students is almost impossible because of >> space. I end up with my desks in rows and I hate it. >> >> Terry >> >> On 6/16/11, Tallytchr wrote: >>> It's about the amount of documentation required and the >>> time it takes to keep track of 175 benchmarks, the RTI >>> interventions, the behavior management plans, the lesson >>> plans that must have objectives and benchmarks documented, >>> and the day to day communication that has always been >>> necessary. >>> >>> We have to do so much more "proving what we do" now than in >>> the past. The difference between 22 students and 30 >>> students can be hours of documentation. >>> >>> Of course good teachers can manage a larger class size, but >>> the time spent on the paperwork is more of an issue to me. >>> >>> Anyone else agree? Disagree? >>> >>> I know I spend many more hours on documentation now than I >>> did 10-15 years ago and it does take away from how much >>> time I have for planning and creating lessons and >>> activities for my students.

Aug 29, 2011

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Chan in China Remind me to take some pictures of my classrooms. I'm so glad I don't have to do all that bureaucratic paperwork nonsense you folks in the States deal with.

On 6/17/11, Terry wrote: > I agree with you concerning paperwork being a major issue. As > a MS English teacher I spend more time grading papers and > reading essays at home t...See More

Aug 23, 2014

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