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Disruptive behaviour

by Basia

May 11, 2010

Hi, Just hoping for some advice (and not an article or book) for establishing consequences. I have read so much about having them but don't always know which ones are appropriate. My biggest issue is with a group of 4 students who are often talking while I instruct or someone else is speaking, they goof around if possible, don't raise their hand etc...basically good kids but wearing me down. I now feel that I am reacting rather than acting and would like to regain my non-confrontational cool and then just apply a consequence. My problem is WHAT is an appropriate hierarchy of consequences for not raising one's hand to speak? What about the talking while someone else is speaking? I have some effective methods for other types of situations but the goofing around, talking, not raising one's hand is getting to me. I must also admit that I have not been consistent and do realize that this is a HUGE issue. Anyway, if anyone out there has pearls of wisdom I am ready to thread them onto my stra...See More

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Yes, to Jo On 5/13/10, Jo to Yes wrote: > Let me make sure I am clear on this, you wouldn't mind being in a > classroom where others are treated like dogs.

You are correct. If being treated like a dog is what it takes to make the disrupters stop disrupting, then yes. Whatever works with the least amount of class stoppage. If you can accomplish ...See MoreOn 5/13/10, Jo to Yes wrote: > Let me make sure I am clear on this, you wouldn't mind being in a > classroom where others are treated like dogs.

You are correct. If being treated like a dog is what it takes to make the disrupters stop disrupting, then yes. Whatever works with the least amount of class stoppage. If you can accomplish it without the so-called "dog" treatment, then great. But those kids who don't cause trouble deserve their education. Those who blow it off by disrupting and robbing the teacher's time and instruction deserve to be treated however it takes to make them comply.

In your ideal classroom > this treatment wouldn't extend to you because you wouldn't be causing > trouble, unless for some reason you and the teacher just didn't > click. What if for some reason, you were the brunt of this > treatment. Would you be ok with it then?

Why wouldn't we "click"?

We're not there to have a relationship other than she teaches, I learn. If I keep my mouth shut and do my work, study, and do well on tests, what other relationship do we need? If I don't smart off to her or try to get others to laugh etc, why wouldn't we "click"? But yes, if I acted up, I would deserve to be treated like a dog. Cause and effect.

> > On 5/13/10, Yes, Tom, I would! wrote: >> On 5/13/10, Tom wrote: >>> I would not want to be in a classroom which treats me like a dog >>> being trained. Would you? >> >> If it kept the class orderly and kept the class clowns from acting >> up thus disrupting MY learning, I would appreciate it! Too many >> teachers either don't adequately control these clowns or spend way >> too much time trying to deal with them. Either way the kids who >> don't participate in such behavior are cheated of their time to >> learn the material. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Threats, bribes, withdrawal of >>> rewards, punishments ... YUCK. >>> >>> For more on high expectations for humans, see my post below >>> on "I need help/Expectations." >>> >>> All my best, >>> >>> Tom >>> [link removed]

May 14, 2010

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Jo I was just clarifying that you would be ok with this treatment if it was done to you.

Why wouldn't you "click"? Who knows - why don't all people "click"? Maybe there is something about your manerisms that just irritates the heck out of the teacher. What if she thought you had a bit of an ego (just using an example not saying you do - plea...See MoreI was just clarifying that you would be ok with this treatment if it was done to you.

Why wouldn't you "click"? Who knows - why don't all people "click"? Maybe there is something about your manerisms that just irritates the heck out of the teacher. What if she thought you had a bit of an ego (just using an example not saying you do - please don't misjudge the intent) and felt she should knock you down a peg so you would be more 'respectful'? Respect is a very subjective idea.

So, as long as you are ok with being treated like a dog regardless of whether or not you think you deserve the treatment it is ok, then I won't push the issue. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't it is fine for others because it will never be applied to me which is the tendancy for most people when they come up with punishments for others.

On 5/14/10, Yes, to Jo wrote: > On 5/13/10, Jo to Yes wrote: >> Let me make sure I am clear on this, you wouldn't mind being in a >> classroom where others are treated like dogs. > > You are correct. If being treated like a dog is what it takes to make the > disrupters stop disrupting, then yes. Whatever works with the least amount > of class stoppage. If you can accomplish it without the so-called "dog" > treatment, then great. But those kids who don't cause trouble deserve > their education. Those who blow it off by disrupting and robbing the > teacher's time and instruction deserve to be treated however it takes to > make them comply. > > > In your ideal classroom >> this treatment wouldn't extend to you because you wouldn't be causing >> trouble, unless for some reason you and the teacher just didn't >> click. What if for some reason, you were the brunt of this >> treatment. Would you be ok with it then? > > Why wouldn't we "click"? > > We're not there to have a relationship other than she teaches, I learn. If > I keep my mouth shut and do my work, study, and do well on tests, what > other relationship do we need? If I don't smart off to her or try to get > others to laugh etc, why wouldn't we "click"? But yes, if I acted up, I > would deserve to be treated like a dog. Cause and effect. > > > > > > >> >> On 5/13/10, Yes, Tom, I would! wrote: >>> On 5/13/10, Tom wrote: >>>> I would not want to be in a classroom which treats me like a dog >>>> being trained. Would you? >>> >>> If it kept the class orderly and kept the class clowns from acting >>> up thus disrupting MY learning, I would appreciate it! Too many >>> teachers either don't adequately control these clowns or spend way >>> too much time trying to deal with them. Either way the kids who >>> don't participate in such behavior are cheated of their time to >>> learn the material. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Threats, bribes, withdrawal of >>>> rewards, punishments ... YUCK. >>>> >>>> For more on high expectations for humans, see my post below >>>> on "I need help/Expectations." >>>> >>>> All my best, >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> [link removed]

May 14, 2010

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Basia Thanks to all for the responses and the interesting debate. As a small update, all of last week , I have remained calm and consistent. When my boys(or any other child) act out, they are given a choice to fix their behaviour or to step outside and think about it. If they choose to step outside, they can return when they wish to participate again. No...See More

May 16, 2010

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Steve Sounds like you have figured it out. Email me your address and I'll send you a copy of my book.

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On 5/16/10, Basia wrote: > Thanks to all for the responses and the interesting debate. > As a small update, all of last week , I have remained calm > and consistent. When my boys(or any other child) act out, >...See More

May 16, 2010

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c I know I'm a little late to the game, but I wanted to put in my two cents worth if you don't mind a slightly different perspective. On occasion, kids need the opportunity to just blurt out and it can be done in a very productive manner - with very specific procedures. These are called shout outs, and it allows those kids that need to constantly blu...See MoreI know I'm a little late to the game, but I wanted to put in my two cents worth if you don't mind a slightly different perspective. On occasion, kids need the opportunity to just blurt out and it can be done in a very productive manner - with very specific procedures. These are called shout outs, and it allows those kids that need to constantly blurt out answers to have their need satisfied without disrupting class. At first when I read your post it sounded like the kids were talking to each other regardless of your topic, but after reading your response it seems like they just aren't raising their hands. If they are just talking and are off topic, please ignore the following. Ask short one word answer kind of questions and simply say, "give me a shout out." Of course, with any procedure you need to practice first so kids know your expectations - you may only shout out once, you may only shout out when asked, or whatever other expectations you have. I find this works particularly well in Math where there are a lot of short answer type of questions. If it is a Communications class, offer it as a round table where the students have open discussion without raising their hand. These kids are 11-12 graders, practically adults (I think I saw that in one of the posts. Sorry if I'm incorrect.) They need to practice in an environment where there isn't going to always be a leader calling on them to speak at appropriate times. They need to learn to really listen to each other and respond in kind. Give them that opportunity to practice by putting that responsibility on them. Of course procedures need to be set and parameters need to be addressed, but it isn't the end of the world when a person doesn't raise their hand to speak. Show them a clip news pundits shouting over each other without anyone really listening. Let them know this is how class feels when students don't raise their hand to take turns talking. Everyone is angry, no one is listening, and no one ever comes to consensus or solutions because they simply won't take turns.

May 18, 2010

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