Discipline vrs. Intelligence

by AN0N

Dec 26, 2012

Discipline vrs. Intelligence If, in your class, you have, or suspect, a student has a very high I.Q. it is urgent that you warn others, especially coaches or other “physical dominant” staff members that they MUST not use C.P. or physically threatening methods of discipline. The reaction by them is often unending fear of “educators”, hiding in the back of classroom or even dropping out. I have personally seen one that the state had take his I.Q. test 3 times until he questioned something a coach said in a science class. The coach asked him to stay after class to research it and belted him into hysterics. He barely finished high school and spent his life doing simple jobs… shame, shame, shame…

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PS...just dawned on me On 12/29/12, Yes, actually wrote: > On 12/28/12, op wrote: >> On 12/27/12, Not getting "shame shame shame" wrote: >>> On 12/26/12, AN0N wrote: >>>> Discipline vrs. Intelligence >>>> If, in your class, you have, or suspect, a student has a >>>> very high I.Q. it is urgent that you warn others, &g...See MoreOn 12/29/12, Yes, actually wrote: > On 12/28/12, op wrote: >> On 12/27/12, Not getting "shame shame shame" wrote: >>> On 12/26/12, AN0N wrote: >>>> Discipline vrs. Intelligence >>>> If, in your class, you have, or suspect, a student has a >>>> very high I.Q. it is urgent that you warn others, >>>> especially coaches or other “physical dominant” staff >>>> members that they MUST not use C.P. or physically >>>> threatening methods of discipline. The reaction by them is >>>> often unending fear of “educators”, hiding in the back of >>>> classroom or even dropping out. >>>> I have personally seen one that the state had take his I.Q. >>>> test 3 times until he questioned something a coach said in >>>> a science class. The coach asked him to stay after class >>>> to research it and belted him into hysterics. He barely >>>> finished high school and spent his life doing simple jobs… >>>> shame, shame, shame… >>> >>> >>> Asking a student to research his own question can hardly be >>> considered corporal punishment. If something that trivial >>> "caused" the student to fly into hysterics, drop out and do >>> menial jobs for the rest of his life, he obviously had some >>> kind of serious emotional disorder that probably went >>> undiagnosed. If the science teacher hadn't made the innocuous >>> request that "triggered" his meltdown, some other trigger would >>> have been waiting just around the corner. Quite honestly, it >>> sounds as though his parents dropped the ball in terms of >>> getting him appropriate treatment before any little thing could >>> "cause" his life to fall apart. >> >> Whaaa??? Where did you read "research his own question" out of >> context??? The "meat head coach" said that as a false reason to >> keep him late. When the last student left, he closed the door, >> jerked him across the deak and BELTED him into hysterics. As for >> his parents, the father didn't care for him as his intelligence >> was NOT the "good ole boy" / "cowboy" / "fighter" he wanted and >> the mother was afraid of everyone with authority. Did you miss >> that part? > > > Didn't know you'd meant "belted" in the literal sense. Did it happen > this school year? Surely few teachers or coaches are knocking around > the students anymore. Anyone who tried it here would wind up in jail. > > Totally missed the part about his parents too, obviously, because > you're only adding it now. Not sure what you'd want the school to do > about that...have you directed the kid to the school counselor or, > again, the police?

that some of my questions here are pretty lame. Obviously, if the man's already graduated and moved on with his life, none of this stuff happened recently. Still wondering who "shame, shame, shame" is directed at, though, particularly if the story's so many years old.

Dec 29, 2012

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op Didn't know you'd meant "belted" in the literal sense. Did it happen >> this school year? Surely few teachers or coaches are knocking around >> the students anymore. Anyone who tried it here would wind up in jail. >> >> Totally missed the part about his parents too, obviously, because >> you're only adding it now. Not ...See More

Dec 29, 2012

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But the incident happened nearly 60 years ago On 12/29/12, op wrote: > >>> Didn't know you'd meant "belted" in the literal sense. Did it happen >>> this school year? Surely few teachers or coaches are knocking around >>> the students anymore. Anyone who tried it here would wind up in jail. >>> >>> Totally missed the part about his parents too, ob...See MoreOn 12/29/12, op wrote: > >>> Didn't know you'd meant "belted" in the literal sense. Did it happen >>> this school year? Surely few teachers or coaches are knocking around >>> the students anymore. Anyone who tried it here would wind up in jail. >>> >>> Totally missed the part about his parents too, obviously, because >>> you're only adding it now. Not sure what you'd want the school to do >>> about that...have you directed the kid to the school counselor or, >>> again, the police? >> I think that "Anon" is yanking everyone's chain! I have never heard of >> anyy student getting an IQ test 3 times. Usually the only reason it's >> given again (and that's not for 2-3 years) is because either they were >> very young when it was given or there was some disturbance going on >> that was distracting to the testing environment. >> >> I have taught gifted children for 16 years and have never seen or heard >> anything like this. Ha! Ha, Anon! Did you have a good laught on us? > > This story happened in 1955. It happened in a small town in the deep > south. The state didn't think a student there could make 174 the first > time and 181 the second. It was a long story of a kid that grew up near > a "young genious" who spent his life at NASA and learned more science than > the coach was able to. And, yes, because his level of knowledge bothered > the coach, who had to stop him from letting it happen again. As for > the "shame, shame, ", it was directed toward those that rule by threat of > harm... > While the practice of corporal punishment has been outlawed in many > places, it is still done in many states, mostly in the South where "a good > ole boy is expected to take it like a man..." and that intelligence level > is mostly not known or understood.

Times have changed significantly since then, in the American South and everywhere else. The teacher/coach in your story is very likely dead. Even the student would be in his 70s now, presuming he's even still alive. If the "genius" chose to carry the incident around for all those years, and allowed it to define his entire life, then some of the responsibility lies with him for not getting therapy and moving past something that happened during his school years. Quite honestly, at some point we've all got to take responsibility for our own behavior; to keep blaming our own failures on stuff that happened when we were kids is a convenient cop out.

Not clear why you're here lecturing people about something that happened before many of us were even born.

Dec 29, 2012

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Oh no no...are you that spanking perv? No way, not clicking your link, hope Bob reports you to the police.

On 1/02/13, op wrote: >> Not clear why you're here lecturing people about >> something that happened before many of us were even >> born. >

Jan 3, 2013

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Robert R.-IA Intelligence shouldn't be punished or ridiculed but nurtured and encouraged. It is unfortunate that some teachers are intimidated by the very thing they wish to inspire and develop.

There is a pattern which exist, students with High IQ's and creativity do drop out of school at an alarming rate. Very few become Bill Gates.

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Feb 8, 2013

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