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A question!

by T.E.C. - Iowa

Jan 31, 2017

I wrote this question in another thread but decided it would be nice to see if I could get more answers in a new thread.

The Democrats are outraged at Pres. Trump's immigration order. It seems they want to defend all immigrants as if their policy is "if you can get here you can stay!" Tell us, under what circumstances does a Democrat say to an illegal immigrant "You have violated our immigration law (only), and you must be deported to the country from which you came!"

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bad things happen On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote: > Well, I'm sorry the liberals didn't throw a sufficient > fit. Like I said, I am not of a partisan mindset. That > said, I think the failure of this raid exceeds the action > that landed Hilary in the hot seat.

Let's see: the Navy planned this raid. The SecDef signed off on it as did the pr...See More

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No, "bad things"--President Obama did NOT "sign off" on this On 2/03/17, bad things happen wrote: > On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote: >> Well, I'm sorry the liberals didn't throw a sufficient >> fit. Like I said, I am not of a partisan mindset. That >> said, I think the failure of this raid exceeds the action >> that landed Hilary in the hot seat. > > Let's see: the Navy pl...See More

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It's going to take a long time to clean up Obama's mess On 2/03/17, No, "bad things"--President Obama did NOT "sign off" on this wrote: > On 2/03/17, bad things happen wrote: >> On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote: >>> Well, I'm sorry the liberals didn't throw a sufficient >>> fit. Like I said, I am not of a partisan mindset. That >>> said, I think ...See MoreOn 2/03/17, No, "bad things"--President Obama did NOT "sign off" on this wrote: > On 2/03/17, bad things happen wrote: >> On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote: >>> Well, I'm sorry the liberals didn't throw a sufficient >>> fit. Like I said, I am not of a partisan mindset. That >>> said, I think the failure of this raid exceeds the action >>> that landed Hilary in the hot seat. >> >> Let's see: the Navy planned this raid. The SecDef signed > off >> on it as did the president. It was delayed because the Navy >> planners wanted a moonless night and, possibly because the >> terrorists were tipped off, they walked into an ambush. In >> the Benghazi raid 4 Americans including the ambassador were >> killed, the consulate sacked after the SecState, Clinton- >> denied improvements to their security. Then the gov't lied >> about what happened and how the raid occurred. Seems like > one >> was worse than the other. You can't blame Trump for that. > You >> can but it meaningless. >> >>> I am angry about the past evolution of the US government. >>> It came to blows with this election when we were given a >>> choice between vomit and sh*t. Sh*t won. We need to stop >>> giving our Constitutional values to corporations. Trump >>> seems to be hellbent on fast tracking out economy to >>> Goldman Sachs and Exxon. He has placed a self proclaimed >>> leninist puppet master in front of security and to alarm >>> and accelerate division so he can push this agenda. >>> >>> -ltl >> >> That's a curious tirade 2 weeks into a new administration. >> Trump promised to rebuild the economy and this is how its >> done. If you think you know better, contact your >> congressional representatives, senators or the White House >> and explain your reasoning. You're free to think what you >> like but I rather doubt you're in a position to know what >> happened or why. >> Maybe your vast experience in special forces informs your >> opinion?

Sure you did, he allowed this mission to go forward through planning and it was only coincidence that they had to delay until after he left office. Trump gave them the final go-ahead. Unfortunately, they were Betrayed at some point because they walked into an ambush. For all you know it was someone in the Obama White House he spilled the beans.

Feb 4, 2017

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The raid fiasco is all on Trump's shoulders. nm On 2/04/17, It's going to take a long time to clean up
Obama's mess wrote:
> On 2/03/17, No, "bad things"--President Obama did NOT
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off" on
> this wrote:
>> On 2/03/17, bad things happen wrote:
>>> On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote:
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Lulu As much as I'd like to lay this at Trump's feet I don't really think we can. The planning started under the Obama administration and carried out under Trump's so clearly both thought a raid of this kind was a good idea. The intel and execution were the responsibility of the intelligence agencies and military. F-ups of this sort seem to happen with ...See MoreAs much as I'd like to lay this at Trump's feet I don't really think we can. The planning started under the Obama administration and carried out under Trump's so clearly both thought a raid of this kind was a good idea. The intel and execution were the responsibility of the intelligence agencies and military. F-ups of this sort seem to happen with alarming regularity under both Republican and Democratic administrations and IMO it's a wider issue of our military policies.

On 2/04/17, The raid fiasco is all on Trump's shoulders. nm wrote: > On 2/04/17, It's going to take a long time to clean up > Obama's mess wrote: >> On 2/03/17, No, "bad things"--President Obama did NOT >> "sign > off" on >> this wrote: >>> On 2/03/17, bad things happen wrote: >>>> On 2/02/17, long-time lurker wrote: >>>>> Well, I'm sorry the liberals didn't throw a sufficient >>>>> fit. Like I said, I am not of a partisan mindset. That >>>>> said, I think the failure of this raid exceeds the >>>>> action that landed Hilary in the hot seat. >>>> >>>> Let's see: the Navy planned this raid. The SecDef >>>> signed >>> off >>>> on it as did the president. It was delayed because the >>>> Navy planners wanted a moonless night and, possibly >>>> because the terrorists were tipped off, they walked >>>> into an ambush. In the Benghazi raid 4 Americans >>>> including the ambassador were killed, the consulate >>>> sacked after the SecState, Clinton- denied improvements >>>> to their security. Then the gov't lied about what >>>> happened and how the raid occurred. Seems like >>> one >>>> was worse than the other. You can't blame Trump for >>>> that. >>> You >>>> can but it meaningless. >>>> >>>>> I am angry about the past evolution of the US >>>>> government. It came to blows with this election when >>>>> we were given a choice between vomit and sh*t. Sh*t >>>>> won. We need to stop giving our Constitutional values >>>>> to corporations. Trump seems to be hellbent on fast >>>>> tracking out economy to Goldman Sachs and Exxon. He >>>>> has placed a self proclaimed leninist puppet master in >>>>> front of security and to alarm and accelerate division >>>>> so he can push this agenda. >>>>> >>>>> -ltl >>>> >>>> That's a curious tirade 2 weeks into a new >>>> administration. Trump promised to rebuild the economy >>>> and this is how its done. If you think you know better, >>>> contact your congressional representatives, senators or >>>> the White House and explain your reasoning. You're free >>>> to think what you like but I rather doubt you're in a >>>> position to know what happened or why. Maybe your vast >>>> experience in special forces informs your opinion? >> >> Sure you did, he allowed this mission to go forward >> through > planning >> and it was only coincidence that they had to delay until >> after > he >> left office. Trump gave them the final go-ahead. > Unfortunately, they >> were Betrayed at some point because they walked into an > ambush. For >> all you know it was someone in the Obama White House he > spilled the >> beans.

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