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Reading First, Dibels, NCLB

by Kgrace

Aug 17, 2008

I've taught 3rd and 4th grade for 18 years. I am worried that Reading First and Dibels are actually reducing student literacy in this country. Here are my reasons: 1. A reader is successful when they comprehend text. 2. Dibels tests oral fluency, which is only a part of the reading process. 3. When students are Dibels tested, they get the message t...See More

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Kinder Gal Yes, I did. We push letter naming at the beginning of the year. I do not introduce letters as per the core. I find that the sooner kids learn the letters and sounds, then the skills in the core become more successful for them as they have the prior knowledge and it makes sense to them. My interventions are based on what the kids do on their AIMSweb...See MoreYes, I did. We push letter naming at the beginning of the year. I do not introduce letters as per the core. I find that the sooner kids learn the letters and sounds, then the skills in the core become more successful for them as they have the prior knowledge and it makes sense to them. My interventions are based on what the kids do on their AIMSweb/DIBELS scores. My groups are always moving. Those who have benched move on to Reading Eggs, a language arts program on computer. They are really sailing. Now to get the rest of my students (8) on board., Sighhhhh

On 2/25/12, Did you come awaay any different...better...because of all t wrote: > On 5/02/11, Kinder Gal wrote: >> I was in the same boat that you are describing. What you are doing >> is learning "how" to teach reading (again.) You are using DIBELS as >> an idicator. As you go through the professional development part of >> reading first, you will see how it all ties together. We are in our >> 4th year and out of the grant (when you have the grant, you have to >> jump through their hoops whether you agree with them or not.) Now >> that we are out of the grant, we can do as we need and know what is >> right. Hang in there....it will get better >> >> >> >> On 4/26/11, LIBBY ING wrote: >>> On 8/21/08, 3rdChicago wrote: >>>> My fears are similar to yours. I've seen our 3rd grade scores >>>> drop DRAMATICALLY on our state test since RF and DIBELS have been >>>> implemented. They tell us time and time again that DIBELS is >>>> only an indicator, yet at the end of the year we were TORN APART >>>> because our DIBELS scores were not higher. So really, it's being >>>> used to assess us. I am about to enter my 3rd year of RF and >>>> this year cannot end soon enough. I hate RF more than I can >>>> possibly say. Tessa - I envy you that you said you got to be >>>> creative with RF. At my school, that was the first thing to go >>>> when we got RF. I feel like all the autonomy I had as a teacher >>>> to be creative, to teach "my way", to follow student interests >>>> has all been pushed aside for RF. Now, we must follow our basal >>>> with "high fidelity," are not allowed to use novels to teach >>>> reading (except outside of our 90 minute block and 30 minute >>>> intervention), and must use their materials to the best of our >>>> ability before we bring in anything outside. >>>> >>>> I'm not a teacher anymore. I'm a puppet for Reading First. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/19/08, Tessa- FL wrote: >>>>> On 8/17/08, Kgrace wrote: >>>>>> I've taught 3rd and 4th grade for 18 years. I am worried >>>>>> that Reading First and Dibels are actually reducing >>>>>> student literacy in this country. Here are my reasons: >>>>>> 1. A reader is successful when they comprehend text. >>>>>> 2. Dibels tests oral fluency, which is only a part of the >>>>>> reading process. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. Also, the "scientifically-based blah-blah-blah" >>>>> reading programs do not teach comprehension. They pretend >>>>> to, with their super-simplistic question-and-answer part of >>>>> the script, but there is no substance to the story or >>>>> questions. Comprehension is not valued by reading first. The >>>>> teacher has to squeeze it in herself/himself. >>>>> >>>>> This is a huge flaw with reading first, although I didn't >>>>> mind it because I had fun being creative with graphic >>>>> organizers, reading a-z.com, read-alouds, and author/genre >>>>> studies. Now that I'm non-reading first I miss being >>>>> creative. We have a comprehensive program now (read: we must >>>>> read lousy books not of our choosing and cannot create our >>>>> own units because the program has created lame units for >>>>> us), and it stinks. I liked reading first better because >>>>> when we got through with the phonics instruction, it was my >>>>> time to be creative! >>>>> >>>>> Oh well. Teachers must do what we're told, not what we know >>>>> is best. We are basically told just shut up and follow the >>>>> program. :(

Mar 16, 2012

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Mar 23, 2022

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What reading level are the Magic Tree House books written on

by Curious

Feb 9, 2010

The original series. Not the Merlin Missions.

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In fact, there's a lot of good stuff at the heart of this book's plot. After reading this article https://www.kasamba.com/psychic-reading/are-psychics-real/ , I understood that these people actually existed, and I decided to contact one of them to explain these dreams to me. And I was really impressed because the psychic managed to tell me everythi...See More

Feb 10, 2022

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Thomas P I'm fairly sure the Magic Tree House books are about 1st to 3rd grade reading level. They're a very entertaining read for young minds, as I was a huge fan of them when I was young.

Feb 13, 2022

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Fountas and Pinnell

by Agree to Disagree

Nov 4, 2014

This program does not belong in the middle schools unless it is paired with best practice including but not limited to Common Assessments driven by state bench marks. Middle school kids sitting on a rug in a secondary setting does not promote growth and maturity socially or emotionally. Some students continue baby talk along with immature behaviors...See More

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Katanya I agree! My problem is not only using Fountas and Pinnell in middle school but also with middle school ESL students! I am not happy with the books offered at the ability levels! My ESL students deserve mutual respect! To push them to use books that are really "babyish," for them to read is so disrespectful. These kids are new to our country and sho...See MoreI agree! My problem is not only using Fountas and Pinnell in middle school but also with middle school ESL students! I am not happy with the books offered at the ability levels! My ESL students deserve mutual respect! To push them to use books that are really "babyish," for them to read is so disrespectful. These kids are new to our country and should be able to read books on middle school topics and interest. There is already so much bullying in middle school with ESL students being different and now they are being asked to read books geared toward younger kids?? I am appalled that this is being presented like this! I realize it is a challenge to create books that meet ability but still offer interest level but could they not at least use older level graphics? Present the books in middle school themes? I have so many problems with using Fountas and Pinnell in middle school especially with ESL! Most of the lower levels do not have a lot of non- fiction material (very important focus with older readers), it's hard to connect these lower leveled books to middle school common core curriculum and the interest levels just don't reach them! I have found books that are condensed versions of novels! They are out there! Also middle school ESL kids can listen to higher level books and be read to. There are ways around this conundrum! You don't have to disrespect these beautiful souls! They are only delayed due to culture, they are not necessarily developmentally delayed. This program just does not work on so many levels in middle school! Really upsets me that these curriculums in a box are sold to our schools. Teacher's need more empowerment! Teaching ESL is my heart and I am in tears with this being forced on them. To build a rapport with ESL is based on mutual respect. Even when I taught reading to adults I used news articles and not See Jane Run books! Please remember we cannot stop respecting our students and we definitely don't want to degrade them! Successful reading is based on motivation and motivation comes with confidence and interest! There are so many better programs out there!

Aug 29, 2017

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Which Magazine?

by Reading with Roe

Feb 17, 2017

Trying to decide if I need to go with Scholastic News or StoryWorks for my 5th grade Reading class. Any feedback will be appreciated.

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Helen On 2/17/17, Reading with Roe wrote: > Trying to decide if I need to go with Scholastic News or > StoryWorks for my 5th grade Reading class. Any feedback > will be appreciated.

Feb 18, 2017

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Eyeread-Pilot Reading Programe

by Mrs.V

Jul 25, 2016

Eyeread (www.eyeread.co). developed a series of games for children in K-2 that focus on foundational reading skills and allow teachers to track student progress. The Eyeread games are being developed with research driven data, teacher input and fun for students to play.

If you would like this program in your classroom this fall, I'll conn...See More

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Reading Resources

by GuidedReader

Dec 3, 2014

Hey Teachers,

My friend Allison and I are both reading teachers in Brooklyn, New York. We are so excited to share our website with you:

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Our goal is to provide resources for families so they can help improve their child's reading comprehension... one bedtime story at a time!

Let us know what you th...See More

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I hate fountas and pinnell reading stations

by Bev

Jan 25, 2009

My way of teaching reading is so much better than the confusion. I do not think the students are learning!!!I Hate trying to teach a reading circle while kids are crawling on the floor. I have 32 years of SUCCESS! When is someone going to put a stop to this madness? Worksheets can ask creative questions and students learn to sit and focus which the...See More

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Annie On 1/26/09, Deb wrote: > I have been using the F/P literacy stations this year and > have had much success. I'm not sure the grade level or > administrative support Bev has, but here are some things > that I think has worked for me ( this is my 33rd year > teaching). We have an hour block of reading each day and my > reading teach...See More

Nov 7, 2014

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Nov 7, 2014

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Fountas & Pinnell Guided Reading

by Susie

Sep 8, 2013

Hello,

My school district uses Fountas & Pinnell Guided Reading. When I meet in my guided reading groups it is hard to practice fluency and decoding when everyone is reading quietly to themselves or chorally as a group. I know we are not supposed to use the Round Robin strategy, but at least every student would be able to practice rea...See More

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johnson,Emma On 9/08/13, Susie wrote: > Hello, > > My school district uses Fountas & Pinnell Guided Reading. > When I meet in my guided reading groups it is hard to > practice fluency and decoding when everyone is reading > quietly to themselves or chorally as a group. I know we > are not supposed to use the Round Robin strategy, but at...See More

Sep 9, 2013

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Judy Milford On 9/08/13, Susie wrote: > Hello, > > My school district uses Fountas & Pinnell Guided Reading. > When I meet in my guided reading groups it is hard to > practice fluency and decoding when everyone is reading > quietly to themselves or chorally as a group. I know we > are not supposed to use the Round Robin strategy, but at...See More

Nov 5, 2014

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Welcome to the Reading First Chatboard!

by Bob Reap (Teachers.Net)

Jun 26, 2008

Welcome to the Reading First Chatboard. This chatboard is for discussions related to the Reading First federal initiative (NCLB), and by teachers with an interest in Reading First. Bookmark this resource and contribute often!

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Fountas Pinnell Benchmark Assessment System

by KathyB2ndIA

Jun 27, 2008

Hi, Just before the end of the year we started getting training from our Reading First Specialist on using the Fountas Pinnell Benchmark Assessment System.

Prior to this we were using Benchmark books from Reading A- Z, but not the questions... just the running records.

Have any of you used the F-P program? What do you think? Any t...See More

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Another reading teacher On 1/25/10, reading teacher wrote: > They have an assessment system AND an intervention system - > 2 different products.

Seriously, you all need to get your stuff together. You're probably complaining so much because your districts make you find a guided reading level and that's all. If you change the testing procedures, if you don't...See More

Mar 12, 2010

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Lead Balanced Literacy teacher I teach at a middle school in Los Angeles and we've found the F&P assessment kits to be so useful. Most of our students are struggling readers and for those who are reading at or above an 8th grade reading level, we don't need the same kind of detailed data on them that a Running Record provides. We use the San Diego Quick to quickly assess the...See MoreI teach at a middle school in Los Angeles and we've found the F&P assessment kits to be so useful. Most of our students are struggling readers and for those who are reading at or above an 8th grade reading level, we don't need the same kind of detailed data on them that a Running Record provides. We use the San Diego Quick to quickly assess the students' decoding level and then administer the appropriate F&P Comprehension and fluency test. We don't make copies of the text. We use a separate sheet of paper to do the Running Record on and make comprehension notes. It saves paper and time copying. Three years ago we piloted using three teachers. Last year we expanded to 6 teachers and this year we're going to train 14 teachers in how to use the assessment kits and do reading workshop. Our teachers have really liked it. We also give them 3 days when their class is coverd by a substitute and all they do is test. That happens at the begining, middle and end of the year. So if provided with time and resources, it's not frustrating and it provided really valuable data on where the child is at so that instruction can be tailored towards them.

On 3/12/10, Another reading teacher wrote: > On 1/25/10, reading teacher wrote: >> They have an assessment system AND an intervention system - >> 2 different products. > > > Seriously, you all need to get your stuff together. You're > probably complaining so much because your districts make you > find a guided reading level and that's all. If you change the > testing procedures, if you don't administer the whole thing, if > you only want a down and dirty assessment then you are NOT > reading teachers! You're the problem with public education. > This is the best assessment that is on the market for K-8 (no, > I do not work for heinemann) and you are idiots if your schools > spent the money to buy it for you and you're complaining about > using it. Go do some professional development and figure out > your priorities for teaching literacy.

Jul 19, 2010

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