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Hired after student teaching

by CS

Jan 13, 2011

What are the chances of being hired after student teaching (either in the same school or somewhere else)? I will student teach in the fall & I feel that may be the better way to get my foot in the door instead of applying for positions a 100 other people are possibly applying for.

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Bella As far as subbing after graduating/finishing student teaching, I think you need to make sure you are a good sub. I have my teaching certificate and I am looking for a full-time teaching position. Unfortunately, my state's economy is horrible and therefore there aren't many teaching positions available at all (in fact, there were many layoffs last y...See More

Jan 24, 2011

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Emily Thanks for your support.

The thing is that my cooperating teacher gave me wonderful reviews and told me I was meant to be a teacher. She went so far as to invite me to her house for Christmas with her family and we used to go shopping all the time, clothes shopping and shopping for school stuff. I thought we were really close and counted h...See MoreThanks for your support.

The thing is that my cooperating teacher gave me wonderful reviews and told me I was meant to be a teacher. She went so far as to invite me to her house for Christmas with her family and we used to go shopping all the time, clothes shopping and shopping for school stuff. I thought we were really close and counted her as a close friend and mentor, she is 20 years older than I am.

But, when there was an opening for a teacher who would be her teammate I did not so much as get an interview. Now, we hardly talk. I feel like I lost a close friend as well as a job opportunity.

On 1/24/11, To Emily wrote: > That is wild, I am not surprised they are so funny. That is what > I am seeing, that many of the new teachers hired are brand 'new' > teachers. I also think and feel it doesn't help to sub but > hurts one as it is too easy to be labeled as a sub. While it > works for some, don't think it does for most. And regarding the > sub blogg on this site, that consist of subs mostly who just sub > period and very few are looking for permanent work. There are a > few who have licenses and are acquiring them, but they are not > in their own classrooms. Long Term doesnt count, no contract, > its not one's own class. Most who blogg just sub for extra > money or sound like they are older. > > Regarding student teaching, how common is it that everybody is > given a recommendation letter from the CT? And or is it common > sometimes also for the ST to be passed but the CT still not > support the ST? What if you get a real toughee, scarget type > like in the Geico comercial (guy calls his patient, Mamby Pamby, > cry baby etc) I see a lot of complaints on the bloggs about the > cooperating teachers passing but being mean, but also see some > who are so happy and get great people. I think it's '50 to 50 > ratio', in other words I think some have good experiences, get > good refs. and a lot of others get passed but poor or no refs. > I also think the colleges keep it low profile when their > students get a bad experience, they have to protect their > relationship with the district because that is their living and > without the districts, they would not be able to place their > teachers and it is practical and makes sense. > > In short,I believe it is popular to have a student teacher now > mostly because the budget cuts have removed the aids and I think > that many CT's dont' truly desire a ST, but need an assistant > especially with the higher class loads. That is fine if they > want to help, but if they don't help, they really hurt the > person they took on. > > > > > > On 1/20/11, Emily wrote: >> I student taught in a wonderful elementary school and loved >> it. My cooperating teacher gave me great reviews and told me I >> was ment to be a teacher. Not only that, her teammate who >> taught next door, and is on the interview committee and >> several of the other teachers were constantly complimenting me >> on my teaching skills and ability to work well with young >> children. A few years later when they had a rare opening at >> the school teaching with the same teacher who was my >> cooperating teacher, it was like I had never done anything. I >> had been subbing and working as a tutor in the same district >> and sometimes same school where I had student taught. When I >> heard about the opening, I immedieately applied. But, I never >> got so much as an interview. Some girl who had never done >> anything at the school before was hired. I didn't even recieve >> a rejection letter. My former cooperating teacher just looked >> at my blankly when I politely asked what happened. Maybe, I >> misunderstood all her compliments. But, I think I should have >> at least have been able to interview and recieve a rejection >> letter if not chosen. But, perhaps you will have a better >> chance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/13/11, CS wrote: >>> What are the chances of being hired after student teaching >>> (either in the same school or somewhere else)? I will >>> student teach in the fall & I feel that may be the better >>> way to get my foot in the door instead of applying for >>> positions a 100 other people are possibly applying for. >>>

Feb 3, 2011

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Chloe As a classroom teacher, we have nothing to do with the hiring process. You CT probably would not even have know you applied, much less that you didn't get an interview or rejection letter. All of that would have taken place at the district level.

I haven't found that there is any rhyme or reason for getting an interview or a job. I taught...See More

Feb 3, 2011

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to Emily So, you are still learning about school politics. Just because you put in time in a school doesn't mean you are the person they are looking for to do a particular job. Your CT probably had no idea, as Chloe said, interviewing, hiring etc. isn't usually handled by classroom teachers.

Socializing with your CT, shopping, visiting, etc. doesn'...See MoreSo, you are still learning about school politics. Just because you put in time in a school doesn't mean you are the person they are looking for to do a particular job. Your CT probably had no idea, as Chloe said, interviewing, hiring etc. isn't usually handled by classroom teachers.

Socializing with your CT, shopping, visiting, etc. doesn't qualify you for a job either.

Many student teachers look to their CT and the school they student teach in as a path into that particular school and it just doesn't work that way. There are many things considered in hiring a new teacher. Some legitimate, filling the position with a transfer teacher from another school for example and some not so legitiamte, as in the super's niece just graduated and needs a job.

Figure out what makes you a stronger candidate for a position than just your CT's recommendation, you can't rely on that. Then go and do or take care of those things.

On 2/03/11, Emily wrote: > Thanks for your support. > > The thing is that my cooperating teacher gave me wonderful reviews > and told me I was meant to be a teacher. She went so far as to > invite me to her house for Christmas with her family and we used to > go shopping all the time, clothes shopping and shopping for school > stuff. I thought we were really close and counted her as a close > friend and mentor, she is 20 years older than I am. > > But, when there was an opening for a teacher who would be her > teammate I did not so much as get an interview. Now, we hardly > talk. I feel like I lost a close friend as well as a job > opportunity. > > > > > > > On 1/24/11, To Emily wrote: >> That is wild, I am not surprised they are so funny. That is what >> I am seeing, that many of the new teachers hired are brand 'new' >> teachers. I also think and feel it doesn't help to sub but >> hurts one as it is too easy to be labeled as a sub. While it >> works for some, don't think it does for most. And regarding the >> sub blogg on this site, that consist of subs mostly who just sub >> period and very few are looking for permanent work. There are a >> few who have licenses and are acquiring them, but they are not >> in their own classrooms. Long Term doesnt count, no contract, >> its not one's own class. Most who blogg just sub for extra >> money or sound like they are older. >> >> Regarding student teaching, how common is it that everybody is >> given a recommendation letter from the CT? And or is it common >> sometimes also for the ST to be passed but the CT still not >> support the ST? What if you get a real toughee, scarget type >> like in the Geico comercial (guy calls his patient, Mamby Pamby, >> cry baby etc) I see a lot of complaints on the bloggs about the >> cooperating teachers passing but being mean, but also see some >> who are so happy and get great people. I think it's '50 to 50 >> ratio', in other words I think some have good experiences, get >> good refs. and a lot of others get passed but poor or no refs. >> I also think the colleges keep it low profile when their >> students get a bad experience, they have to protect their >> relationship with the district because that is their living and >> without the districts, they would not be able to place their >> teachers and it is practical and makes sense. >> >> In short,I believe it is popular to have a student teacher now >> mostly because the budget cuts have removed the aids and I think >> that many CT's dont' truly desire a ST, but need an assistant >> especially with the higher class loads. That is fine if they >> want to help, but if they don't help, they really hurt the >> person they took on. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/20/11, Emily wrote: >>> I student taught in a wonderful elementary school and loved >>> it. My cooperating teacher gave me great reviews and told me I >>> was ment to be a teacher. Not only that, her teammate who >>> taught next door, and is on the interview committee and >>> several of the other teachers were constantly complimenting me >>> on my teaching skills and ability to work well with young >>> children. A few years later when they had a rare opening at >>> the school teaching with the same teacher who was my >>> cooperating teacher, it was like I had never done anything. I >>> had been subbing and working as a tutor in the same district >>> and sometimes same school where I had student taught. When I >>> heard about the opening, I immedieately applied. But, I never >>> got so much as an interview. Some girl who had never done >>> anything at the school before was hired. I didn't even recieve >>> a rejection letter. My former cooperating teacher just looked >>> at my blankly when I politely asked what happened. Maybe, I >>> misunderstood all her compliments. But, I think I should have >>> at least have been able to interview and recieve a rejection >>> letter if not chosen. But, perhaps you will have a better >>> chance. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/13/11, CS wrote: >>>> What are the chances of being hired after student teaching >>>> (either in the same school or somewhere else)? I will >>>> student teach in the fall & I feel that may be the better >>>> way to get my foot in the door instead of applying for >>>> positions a 100 other people are possibly applying for. >>>>

Feb 4, 2011

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Old Teach Emily- The fact is, while your CT and/or her friend may have been on the interview committee, they probably were not in on the selection process, that is, the culling through the many applications which were undoubtedly received. Usually an administrator does that. This is the way the process works: First, the people involved ( usually administrato...See MoreEmily- The fact is, while your CT and/or her friend may have been on the interview committee, they probably were not in on the selection process, that is, the culling through the many applications which were undoubtedly received. Usually an administrator does that. This is the way the process works: First, the people involved ( usually administrators) decide what qualities they are looking for in a candidate. The applications are gone through and sorted into "yes" maybe" and "No " piles based on those criteria. The next step is usually a review of college transcripts and letters of reference. The selectors might be looking for certain strengths in specific areas. They might have decided that only those with experience will be considered. Of course, in these economic times, sometimes the opposite is true- they are looking for new and "cheap" teachers! Then the applicants are winnowed down into five or six people to call for interview. Then the interview committee is selected and the interview questions decided upon. All candidates must be asked the same questions. Does your having student taught in that school give you an edge? Yes, but not that much. It might be the deciding factor if it came down to you or another candidate, (" the devil you know" principle") , but that's all. I understand that not even being granted an interview was disappointing to you, but there must have been something they were looking for that you lacked or something in your app packet that threw up red flags. I used to stress to student teachers how important that app package is. Review yours and make sure it is perfect- no typos, grammatical errors, etc. , contains a strong personal philosophy statement, etc.

Your not being called for interview was undoubtedly not your CT's fault, so please give her a break :)

On 2/04/11, to Emily wrote: > So, you are still learning about school politics. Just because you put > in time in a school doesn't mean you are the person they are looking > for to do a particular job. Your CT probably had no idea, as Chloe > said, interviewing, hiring etc. isn't usually handled by classroom > teachers. > > Socializing with your CT, shopping, visiting, etc. doesn't qualify you > for a job either. > > Many student teachers look to their CT and the school they student > teach in as a path into that particular school and it just doesn't work > that way. There are many things considered in hiring a new teacher. > Some legitimate, filling the position with a transfer teacher from > another school for example and some not so legitiamte, as in the > super's niece just graduated and needs a job. > > Figure out what makes you a stronger candidate for a position than just > your CT's recommendation, you can't rely on that. Then go and do or > take care of those things. > > > On 2/03/11, Emily wrote: >> Thanks for your support. >> >> The thing is that my cooperating teacher gave me wonderful reviews >> and told me I was meant to be a teacher. She went so far as to >> invite me to her house for Christmas with her family and we used to >> go shopping all the time, clothes shopping and shopping for school >> stuff. I thought we were really close and counted her as a close >> friend and mentor, she is 20 years older than I am. >> >> But, when there was an opening for a teacher who would be her >> teammate I did not so much as get an interview. Now, we hardly >> talk. I feel like I lost a close friend as well as a job >> opportunity. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/24/11, To Emily wrote: >>> That is wild, I am not surprised they are so funny. That is what >>> I am seeing, that many of the new teachers hired are brand 'new' >>> teachers. I also think and feel it doesn't help to sub but >>> hurts one as it is too easy to be labeled as a sub. While it >>> works for some, don't think it does for most. And regarding the >>> sub blogg on this site, that consist of subs mostly who just sub >>> period and very few are looking for permanent work. There are a >>> few who have licenses and are acquiring them, but they are not >>> in their own classrooms. Long Term doesnt count, no contract, >>> its not one's own class. Most who blogg just sub for extra >>> money or sound like they are older. >>> >>> Regarding student teaching, how common is it that everybody is >>> given a recommendation letter from the CT? And or is it common >>> sometimes also for the ST to be passed but the CT still not >>> support the ST? What if you get a real toughee, scarget type >>> like in the Geico comercial (guy calls his patient, Mamby Pamby, >>> cry baby etc) I see a lot of complaints on the bloggs about the >>> cooperating teachers passing but being mean, but also see some >>> who are so happy and get great people. I think it's '50 to 50 >>> ratio', in other words I think some have good experiences, get >>> good refs. and a lot of others get passed but poor or no refs. >>> I also think the colleges keep it low profile when their >>> students get a bad experience, they have to protect their >>> relationship with the district because that is their living and >>> without the districts, they would not be able to place their >>> teachers and it is practical and makes sense. >>> >>> In short,I believe it is popular to have a student teacher now >>> mostly because the budget cuts have removed the aids and I think >>> that many CT's dont' truly desire a ST, but need an assistant >>> especially with the higher class loads. That is fine if they >>> want to help, but if they don't help, they really hurt the >>> person they took on. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/20/11, Emily wrote: >>>> I student taught in a wonderful elementary school and loved >>>> it. My cooperating teacher gave me great reviews and told me I >>>> was ment to be a teacher. Not only that, her teammate who >>>> taught next door, and is on the interview committee and >>>> several of the other teachers were constantly complimenting me >>>> on my teaching skills and ability to work well with young >>>> children. A few years later when they had a rare opening at >>>> the school teaching with the same teacher who was my >>>> cooperating teacher, it was like I had never done anything. I >>>> had been subbing and working as a tutor in the same district >>>> and sometimes same school where I had student taught. When I >>>> heard about the opening, I immedieately applied. But, I never >>>> got so much as an interview. Some girl who had never done >>>> anything at the school before was hired. I didn't even recieve >>>> a rejection letter. My former cooperating teacher just looked >>>> at my blankly when I politely asked what happened. Maybe, I >>>> misunderstood all her compliments. But, I think I should have >>>> at least have been able to interview and recieve a rejection >>>> letter if not chosen. But, perhaps you will have a better >>>> chance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/13/11, CS wrote: >>>>> What are the chances of being hired after student teaching >>>>> (either in the same school or somewhere else)? I will >>>>> student teach in the fall & I feel that may be the better >>>>> way to get my foot in the door instead of applying for >>>>> positions a 100 other people are possibly applying for. >>>>>

Feb 4, 2011

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