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Not renewed, now what?

by Kathryn

Feb 14, 2012

I was no renewed for the next school year, however, every district asks if you have no been renewed or asked to resign - and if so, to write an explanation. What should I do?

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Bill W In this economy, you, basically are done in eduction. I would find a school you love and sub there. If they like you, you might be able to get a position down the down road.

Good Luck

Apr 10, 2012

sped On 4/10/12, Bill W wrote: > > > In this economy, you, basically are done in eduction. I would > find a school you love and sub there. If they like you, you > might be able to get a position down the down road. > > Good Luck

No, that's not true. While it is difficult to find a job for everyone in teaching, being non-ren...See More

Apr 15, 2012

anon Don't engage in semantic fraud by claiming a non-renewal that is not a RIF isn't the same as a firing. It is; the only difference is the teacher has no right a hearing or "due process."

It IS the end of your career for all intents and purposes in this economy if you did not get tenure or a post-probationary contract unless you are a RIF o...See MoreDon't engage in semantic fraud by claiming a non-renewal that is not a RIF isn't the same as a firing. It is; the only difference is the teacher has no right a hearing or "due process."

It IS the end of your career for all intents and purposes in this economy if you did not get tenure or a post-probationary contract unless you are a RIF or have a temporary contract. Other districts regard you as incompetent or not a good enough teacher to receive it.

It doesn't matter what the truth is because principals don't have to give a reason. They don't even have to tell the truth; they make up stuff against teachers all the time knowing they won't be held accountable. It's almost impossible to sue for defamation. "Tenured" teachers who have been fired are often fired because of their age, costing too much, and other things that are outright unethical if not downright illegal while charges are fabricated to hide the illegal behavior of school administrators. It goes on all the time. You don't have to do anything wrong to get booted out of a school district.

What can kill your career is filling out job applications which have the notorious weeding out questions. If you don't answer truthfully, you can actually have your teaching license suspended for "gross negligence of duty." However, if you do tell the truth, you will have your application tossed into the circular file. There is too much competition out there for jobs for districts to even take a chance on anybody who doesn't have a "clean" record unless they somehow know you and can disregard the "past."

Bill W. does have helpful advice if you would like to remain in education. I strongly recommend that because it is so easy for districts to dispose of teachers they don't want, to not even go into education or return to it.

On 4/15/12, sped wrote: > On 4/10/12, Bill W wrote: >> >> >> In this economy, you, basically are done in eduction. I would >> find a school you love and sub there. If they like you, you >> might be able to get a position down the down road. >> >> Good Luck > > No, that's not true. While it is difficult to find a job for > everyone in teaching, being non-renewed is not the end of > someone's career. You may have to be more flexible, on grade > level, subject, or location, but you can get hired. > > I hire people on the rare occasion we have an opening. I know how > the educational world works. Non-renewal doesn't necessarily have > much to do with the quality of a teacher. If there are several > non-renewals, well maybe then I put that application aside, but > one non-renewal could just be the way the district RIFs people, or > they wanted to bring in someone who can coach volleyball, or any > of a hundred reasons that have nothing to do with the teacher's > quality. If I like the application otherwise, I will give them an > interview. There are many administrators like this.

Apr 15, 2012

mo jo On 4/15/12, anon wrote:

> It IS the end of your career for all intents and purposes in this > economy if you did not get tenure or a post-probationary contract > unless you are a RIF or have a temporary contract. Other districts > regard you as incompetent or not a good enough teacher to receive > it.

Quite a few ...See More

Apr 15, 2012

sped On 4/15/12, anon wrote: > Don't engage in semantic fraud by claiming a non-renewal that is not > a RIF isn't the same as a firing.

Actually, a good number of Illinois districts don't lay-off, or reduce-in-force. They simply non-renew the required teachers that need to go. In a neighboring district, they did not renew any non-tenured...See MoreOn 4/15/12, anon wrote: > Don't engage in semantic fraud by claiming a non-renewal that is not > a RIF isn't the same as a firing.

Actually, a good number of Illinois districts don't lay-off, or reduce-in-force. They simply non-renew the required teachers that need to go. In a neighboring district, they did not renew any non-tenured teachers (though they may offer contracts later). The ones being let go for performance got the same letter and were dismissed by the same board vote as those who were essentially being laid off. No way to tell the difference from the outside.

> It IS the end of your career for all intents and purposes in this > economy if you did not get tenure or a post-probationary contract > unless you are a RIF or have a temporary contract. Other districts > regard you as incompetent or not a good enough teacher to receive > it.

Every time you post, you seem to ignore the fact that I'm not on the outside looking in here. I AM an administrator. I DO the hiring when we have openings. There is no mystical "they," here.

> It doesn't matter what the truth is because principals don't have to > give a reason. They don't even have to tell the truth; they make > up stuff against teachers all the time knowing they won't be held > accountable.

No need to make up something about non-tenured people. They aren't "fired." They work yearly contracts. Their contract has a beginning and an end date. If they aren't offered another contract, they just go away. No need to fabricate evidence as you suggest.

> "Tenured" teachers who have been fired are often fired because of > their age, costing too much, and other things that are outright > unethical if not downright illegal while charges are fabricated to > hide the illegal behavior of school administrators.

If I remember right, you were in a weak tenure state. In Illinois, it took my district 2 full years, and a lot of money, to fire a tenured teacher who showed videos 50% of the time and had silent reading the rest.

You were fired. You probably were never hired again because you are incredibly negative and believe that your situation is common.

> There is too much competition out there for jobs for districts to > even take a chance on anybody who doesn't have a "clean" record > unless they somehow know you and can disregard the "past."

Except in my district where we don't do that. And in the several neighboring districts where teachers we have dismissed got jobs. But, other than that... they'll never get a job because you can't. You just continue to heap negativity and falsehood on people.

>

Apr 16, 2012

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