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termination vs. resignation

by arobag

Aug 4, 2012

Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. So basically they need my position for a teacher who speaks Spanish. I was offered to resign to keep a clean record. Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time to research what's the best thing to do in a situation like mine and I resigned. My principal gave me a VERY nice letter of recommendation. My question is what is my chance collecting unemployment? I know that the fact that I resigned will prevent me to collect unemployment but can I appeal and say that I was forced to resign? Also, what are my chances to get another job? On job applications I say that my reason fro leaving is unstable position due to grant cut. This is true because I was laid off and hired back twice because of unknown grant sta...See More

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anon On 8/04/12, arobag wrote: > Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently > terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice > evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed > to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to > open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. > So b...See MoreOn 8/04/12, arobag wrote: > Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently > terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice > evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed > to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to > open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. > So basically they need my position for a teacher who speaks > Spanish. I was offered to resign to keep a clean record. > Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time to research what's > the best thing to do in a situation like mine and I > resigned. My principal gave me a VERY nice letter of > recommendation. My question is what is my chance collecting > unemployment? I know that the fact that I resigned will > prevent me to collect unemployment but can I appeal and say > that I was forced to resign? Also, what are my chances to > get another job? On job applications I say that my reason > fro leaving is unstable position due to grant cut. This is > true because I was laid off and hired back twice because of > unknown grant status.

Moral of the story: NEVER, ever resign. Most fired teachers aren't fired for any real "transgressions" anyway. Those would be on a criminal database or show up on a license search. I don't know WHY teachers think resigning gives them a "clean" record when in fact most applications ASK whether you have resigned in lieu of a dismissal. In other school districts' eyes, a resignation in lieu of a dismissal is an admission of guilt of whatever stupid thing the principal alleges. It's worse than being terminated unless that termination is for criminal misconduct. A principal's letter of recommendation is no guarantee that principal won't blackball you anyway when you apply and are interviewed for jobs in a different district.

By the way, don't lie on a job application. Just say "job ended" when it asks "reasons for leaving." However, if that application asks if you resigned in lieu of dismissal, you better tell the truth because if you are hired and for some reason a district wants to get rid of you, the truth will come out, and you could have sanctions on your license that you WON'T be able to lie about.

Contact your state employment office and ask. And use a lawyer in case the district challenges it. DON'T rely on any union to tell you the truth. Mine lied about my eligibility (I was in a different state). By the way, where WAS your union when you were forced out, apparently illegally

Aug 4, 2012

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arobag I contacted the union rep. right away. He was the one who suggested the resignation. He said being fired will not look good on my record. I forgot to mention that I was pregnant back in December but unfortunately had a miscarriage. It happened during school hours so I HAD to tell my principal. I have the feeling that it was one of the reasons for m...See More

Aug 4, 2012

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sped On 8/04/12, arobag wrote: > Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently > terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice > evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed > to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to > open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. > So b...See More

Aug 23, 2012

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Teachers better get used to being abused. You resign, you quit. You quit the job, you do not get unemployment. If your program was terminated and you did not have a job, that is not your fault and you are LAID OFF. Not fired. You can only be fired for misconduct or refusal to work. You don't have seniority in your district?

On 8/04/12, anon wrote: > On 8/04/12, arobag wrote: &...See MoreYou resign, you quit. You quit the job, you do not get unemployment. If your program was terminated and you did not have a job, that is not your fault and you are LAID OFF. Not fired. You can only be fired for misconduct or refusal to work. You don't have seniority in your district?

On 8/04/12, anon wrote: > On 8/04/12, arobag wrote: >> Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently >> terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice >> evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed >> to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to >> open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. >> So basically they need my position for a teacher who speaks >> Spanish. I was offered to resign to keep a clean record. >> Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time to research what's >> the best thing to do in a situation like mine and I >> resigned. My principal gave me a VERY nice letter of >> recommendation. My question is what is my chance collecting >> unemployment? I know that the fact that I resigned will >> prevent me to collect unemployment but can I appeal and say >> that I was forced to resign? Also, what are my chances to >> get another job? On job applications I say that my reason >> fro leaving is unstable position due to grant cut. This is >> true because I was laid off and hired back twice because of >> unknown grant status. > > Moral of the story: NEVER, ever resign. Most fired teachers > aren't fired for any real "transgressions" anyway. Those > would be on a criminal database or show up on a license > search. I don't know WHY teachers think resigning gives them > a "clean" record when in fact most applications ASK whether > you have resigned in lieu of a dismissal. In other school > districts' eyes, a resignation in lieu of a dismissal is an > admission of guilt of whatever stupid thing the principal > alleges. It's worse than being terminated unless that > termination is for criminal misconduct. A principal's letter > of recommendation is no guarantee that principal won't > blackball you anyway when you apply and are interviewed for > jobs in a different district. > > By the way, don't lie on a job application. Just say "job > ended" when it asks "reasons for leaving." However, if that > application asks if you resigned in lieu of dismissal, you > better tell the truth because if you are hired and for some > reason a district wants to get rid of you, the truth will come > out, and you could have sanctions on your license that you > WON'T be able to lie about. > > Contact your state employment office and ask. And use a > lawyer in case the district challenges it. DON'T rely on any > union to tell you the truth. Mine lied about my eligibility > (I was in a different state). By the way, where WAS your > union when you were forced out, apparently illegally

Sep 9, 2012

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anon You can be fired for any reason at all; all an administrator and school district has to do is cook charges to get rid of a teacher and rig the legal process. "Tenure" doesn't protect you at all but protects school districts from more civil lawsuits by putting a brake on a principal's worst impulses. However, since principals are never closely super...See MoreYou can be fired for any reason at all; all an administrator and school district has to do is cook charges to get rid of a teacher and rig the legal process. "Tenure" doesn't protect you at all but protects school districts from more civil lawsuits by putting a brake on a principal's worst impulses. However, since principals are never closely supervised, they pretty can do whatever the hell they want.

I was fired literally over nothing worth even having a reprimand, let alone a termination. The jerks who did it were merely covering up for their own malfeasance when THEY screwed up with me.

BTW, a nonrenewal is the same as being fired. It isn't a layoff.

You can, of course, get unemployment in a termination (as long as it isn't for "gross misconduct"), and sometimes even if you are forced to quit.

On 9/09/12, Teachers better get used to being abused. wrote: > You resign, you quit. You quit the job, you do not get > unemployment. If your program was terminated and you did not have > a job, that is not your fault and you are LAID OFF. Not fired. > You can only be fired for misconduct or refusal to work. You > don't have seniority in your district? > > > On 8/04/12, anon wrote: >> On 8/04/12, arobag wrote: >>> Hi. I need some help with my situation. I was recently >>> terminated after 4 years of teaching. I received a nice >>> evaluation from my principal and I was told that she needed >>> to let me go. Later I found out that our program needed to >>> open a bilingual classroom based on our student population. >>> So basically they need my position for a teacher who speaks >>> Spanish. I was offered to resign to keep a clean record. >>> Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time to research what's >>> the best thing to do in a situation like mine and I >>> resigned. My principal gave me a VERY nice letter of >>> recommendation. My question is what is my chance collecting >>> unemployment? I know that the fact that I resigned will >>> prevent me to collect unemployment but can I appeal and say >>> that I was forced to resign? Also, what are my chances to >>> get another job? On job applications I say that my reason >>> fro leaving is unstable position due to grant cut. This is >>> true because I was laid off and hired back twice because of >>> unknown grant status. >> >> Moral of the story: NEVER, ever resign. Most fired teachers >> aren't fired for any real "transgressions" anyway. Those >> would be on a criminal database or show up on a license >> search. I don't know WHY teachers think resigning gives them >> a "clean" record when in fact most applications ASK whether >> you have resigned in lieu of a dismissal. In other school >> districts' eyes, a resignation in lieu of a dismissal is an >> admission of guilt of whatever stupid thing the principal >> alleges. It's worse than being terminated unless that >> termination is for criminal misconduct. A principal's letter >> of recommendation is no guarantee that principal won't >> blackball you anyway when you apply and are interviewed for >> jobs in a different district. >> >> By the way, don't lie on a job application. Just say "job >> ended" when it asks "reasons for leaving." However, if that >> application asks if you resigned in lieu of dismissal, you >> better tell the truth because if you are hired and for some >> reason a district wants to get rid of you, the truth will come >> out, and you could have sanctions on your license that you >> WON'T be able to lie about. >> >> Contact your state employment office and ask. And use a >> lawyer in case the district challenges it. DON'T rely on > any >> union to tell you the truth. Mine lied about my eligibility >> (I was in a different state). By the way, where WAS your >> union when you were forced out, apparently illegally

Sep 10, 2012

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