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Disrespect

by Disturbed

Feb 24, 2010

I am not a teacer. I am a parent and my child came home from school very upset. In one of her classes her teacher was absent and they had a substitute who previously filled the position as a longterm substitute. The students in the class began to discuss how much they "hated" and did not like their teacher, they said the teacher is "gay" and "mean" and that they want the substitute to come back. My child actually likes this teacher alot and feels that other kids do not like him because he expects them to do their best and they just want to talk and have fun. First of all should a substitute have let this kind of conversation occur? Secondly should I just forget this and tell my child just to ignore what other kids think and say or should I speak to the principal in this building?

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Disturbed First of all, to clear a few things up. The conversation was between a substitute teacher and 6, 7, and 8th grade students. The substitute was an active participant in the conversation. Second of all the substitute is just that a substitute, it is not like I can schedule a conference with the substitute regarding this situation or I would. I do not...See MoreFirst of all, to clear a few things up. The conversation was between a substitute teacher and 6, 7, and 8th grade students. The substitute was an active participant in the conversation. Second of all the substitute is just that a substitute, it is not like I can schedule a conference with the substitute regarding this situation or I would. I do not know him personally. Lastly my "elementary student" is almost a teenager who has no reason to come home and rat on the friends. My child is an above average responsible student who happens to like and respect this teacher. My child is not the type of child who willingly sits down and starts talking about her day at school. For her to bring this up it had to have really upset her. We have a very rural school and this teacher is new and has a lot to offer our children. It is just a shame that this happened. ComeOnPeople- I understand what you are saying about running straight to the top. I am not a teacher but I am a professional. I see people going straight to the boss all the time. It is upsetting. I think that you are right in that this was probably, maybe one of those things that happened and the substitute never thought twice about. But my child did. These are kids, and what the substitute did, was say it is acceptable act like this. It is okay to say someone is "gay" or whatever the name might be. A child in our county was suspended 10 days a few months ago for calling another child "Gay" but we allow a child to call a teacher that name, when talking to another teacher, and get away with it - I don't know. Now I am very confused? You all have good points. I guess I will leave it go this time, but tell my child to be very careful about modeling her behavior after that of her friends or teachers? As a parent, I do teach my children not to talk about or judge others so that is the best advice I can think of, given this situation. Again, Good Luck and I thank you for the job that you do with our children. It is not an easy job. Another thought....this substitute teacher will someday likely be a full time teacher. I really just hope that this situation was an isolated incident with this teacher. It kinda appears like he tries to be one of the gang instead of the teacher.

On 3/02/10, ComeOnPeople wrote: > Lets not forget that we are talking about hearsay and circumstance. > Don't you think you owe it to the teacher to get that person's side > of the story. If you have an issue with a teacher, speak to him or > her. I am so sick of all this wimpy going over people's heads to > the principal every time there is a problem. It is so underhanded > and cowardly. When did people lose their balls? All we do anymore > is go over each other's heads to back door them with minimal > confrontation. It sickens me. Oh, and NPteacher... do you really > know anything about this situation other than the word of an > elementary student? And yet you are ready to pass judgement. Not > only would you have this teacher removed from this school, but you > would have him or her be banned from ever teaching again. Good > lord. I hope I never get on your bad side. Please don't call my > principal and tell on me for disagreeing or questioning you! > > On 2/28/10, NPteacher wrote: >> I agree. This conversation in the classroom was inappropriate, >> and the sub was not adherring to the lesson plans or any CSO's >> for that grade level. Therefore, after the first comment, the >> class discussion should have been diverted back to the >> curriculum that the sub was being paid to teach. >> >> This is not the kind of teacher that I would expect to teach my >> child. This person should not be permitted back in that >> building, or any other building, for that matter. We pay taxes >> for our children to study academic topics, not listen to gossip >> permitted by a substitute. >> >> On 2/28/10, Linde Crawford wrote: >>> I think you should be upset. What kind of teacher would let >>> this go on a classroom? I think I would send a letter to the >>> principal and to the teacher. This substitute should not be >>> teaching children. I would hope that the principal would >>> contact the head of substitute services as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/24/10, Disturbed wrote: >>>> I am not a teacer. I am a parent and my child came home >>>> from school very upset. In one of her classes her teacher >>>> was absent and they had a substitute who previously filled >>>> the position as a longterm substitute. The students in the >>>> class began to discuss how much they "hated" and did not >>>> like their teacher, they said the teacher is "gay" >>>> and "mean" and that they want the substitute to come >>>> back. My child actually likes this teacher alot and feels >>>> that other kids do not like him because he expects them to >>>> do their best and they just want to talk and have fun. >>>> First of all should a substitute have let this kind of >>>> conversation occur? Secondly should I just forget this >>>> and tell my child just to ignore what other kids think and >>>> say or should I speak to the principal in this building?

Mar 2, 2010

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Emily "It kinda appears like he tries to be one of the gang instead of the teacher." ----We absolutely do not need teachers like this in an age where discipline is down the tubes. This behavior on the part of this substitute is unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

BTW, a child in my school was suspended for 3 days for calling the teacher "...See More"It kinda appears like he tries to be one of the gang instead of the teacher." ----We absolutely do not need teachers like this in an age where discipline is down the tubes. This behavior on the part of this substitute is unacceptable and should not be tolerated.

BTW, a child in my school was suspended for 3 days for calling the teacher "gay" and "stupid" (behind her back). This situation is very similar to the one that you describe.

You should handle the situation in a way that you are comfortable, but something should be done. Whether you speak to the principal, the teacher who was absent, or the county office...I would not let this slide. What example does it set for the kids?

Also, it appears to me that this substitute is still "pining" for the job that she temporarily held before this teacher stepped into it. Someone needs to tell her to move on, and act like a professional.

On 3/02/10, Disturbed wrote: > First of all, to clear a few things up. The conversation was > between a substitute teacher and 6, 7, and 8th grade students. The > substitute was an active participant in the conversation. Second of > all the substitute is just that a substitute, it is not like I can > schedule a conference with the substitute regarding this situation or > I would. I do not know him personally. Lastly my "elementary > student" is almost a teenager who has no reason to come home and rat > on the friends. My child is an above average responsible student who > happens to like and respect this teacher. My child is not the type of > child who willingly sits down and starts talking about her day at > school. For her to bring this up it had to have really upset her. We > have a very rural school and this teacher is new and has a lot to > offer our children. It is just a shame that this happened. > ComeOnPeople- I understand what you are saying about running > straight to the top. I am not a teacher but I am a professional. I > see people going straight to the boss all the time. It is upsetting. > I think that you are right in that this was probably, maybe one of > those things that happened and the substitute never thought twice > about. But my child did. These are kids, and what the substitute > did, was say it is acceptable act like this. It is okay to say > someone is "gay" or whatever the name might be. A child in our county > was suspended 10 days a few months ago for calling another child "Gay" > but we allow a child to call a teacher that name, when talking to > another teacher, and get away with it - I don't know. > Now I am very confused? You all have good points. I guess I > will leave it go this time, but tell my child to be very careful about > modeling her behavior after that of her friends or teachers? As a > parent, I do teach my children not to talk about or judge others so > that is the best advice I can think of, given this situation. Again, > Good Luck and I thank you for the job that you do with our children. > It is not an easy job. > Another thought....this substitute teacher will someday likely be > a full time teacher. I really just hope that this situation was an > isolated incident with this teacher. It kinda appears like he tries > to be one of the gang instead of the teacher. > > On 3/02/10, ComeOnPeople wrote: >> Lets not forget that we are talking about hearsay and circumstance. >> Don't you think you owe it to the teacher to get that person's side >> of the story. If you have an issue with a teacher, speak to him or >> her. I am so sick of all this wimpy going over people's heads to >> the principal every time there is a problem. It is so underhanded >> and cowardly. When did people lose their balls? All we do anymore >> is go over each other's heads to back door them with minimal >> confrontation. It sickens me. Oh, and NPteacher... do you really >> know anything about this situation other than the word of an >> elementary student? And yet you are ready to pass judgement. Not >> only would you have this teacher removed from this school, but you >> would have him or her be banned from ever teaching again. Good >> lord. I hope I never get on your bad side. Please don't call my >> principal and tell on me for disagreeing or questioning you! >> >> On 2/28/10, NPteacher wrote: >>> I agree. This conversation in the classroom was inappropriate, >>> and the sub was not adherring to the lesson plans or any CSO's >>> for that grade level. Therefore, after the first comment, the >>> class discussion should have been diverted back to the >>> curriculum that the sub was being paid to teach. >>> >>> This is not the kind of teacher that I would expect to teach my >>> child. This person should not be permitted back in that >>> building, or any other building, for that matter. We pay taxes >>> for our children to study academic topics, not listen to gossip >>> permitted by a substitute. >>> >>> On 2/28/10, Linde Crawford wrote: >>>> I think you should be upset. What kind of teacher would let >>>> this go on a classroom? I think I would send a letter to the >>>> principal and to the teacher. This substitute should not be >>>> teaching children. I would hope that the principal would >>>> contact the head of substitute services as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/24/10, Disturbed wrote: >>>>> I am not a teacer. I am a parent and my child came home >>>>> from school very upset. In one of her classes her teacher >>>>> was absent and they had a substitute who previously filled >>>>> the position as a longterm substitute. The students in the >>>>> class began to discuss how much they "hated" and did not >>>>> like their teacher, they said the teacher is "gay" >>>>> and "mean" and that they want the substitute to come >>>>> back. My child actually likes this teacher alot and feels >>>>> that other kids do not like him because he expects them to >>>>> do their best and they just want to talk and have fun. >>>>> First of all should a substitute have let this kind of >>>>> conversation occur? Secondly should I just forget this >>>>> and tell my child just to ignore what other kids think and >>>>> say or should I speak to the principal in this building?

Mar 2, 2010

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Joe Clark On 3/02/10, Disturbed wrote: > It is okay to say > someone is "gay" or whatever the name might be. A child in our county > was suspended 10 days a few months ago for calling another child "Gay" > but we allow a child to call a teacher that name, when talking to > another teacher, and get away with it - I don't know.

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Disturbed The fact that the child called the teacher "Gay" is not what disturbed me, because in the schools and with children that word is thrown around like "Dork" was when I was a child. What really bothered me was the lack of respect for a teacher that these students have and the fact that the substitute teacher did not immediately stop the conversation. ...See More

Mar 3, 2010

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Emily Agree. You should be teaching because you understand why we all need to do everything in our power to ensure that children are on task when in our classrooms. If we are truly teaching "bell to bell," conversations such as this could not arise.

On 3/03/10, Disturbed wrote: > The fact that the child called the teacher > "Gay" is not wh...See More

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