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Student's who would rather leave

by md

Mar 14, 2011

I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid of going to the office. I have a student who is often a behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the office because sending him there very rarely ends in any sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and then ask if I will send him to the office. He doesn't want to try, and I think is worried that the work will be hard so he looks for an escape.

By the way, calling home has been no help either.

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Sara On 3/14/11, md wrote: > I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid > of going to the office. I have a student who is often a > behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the > office because sending him there very rarely ends in any > sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and > then ask if I wi...See More

Mar 15, 2011

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Leah Just a thought:

If he wants to go to the office so badly, could going to the office be used as a reward for completed work? Perhaps the principal is someone with whom he relates

Mar 16, 2011

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Prof. Howard Seeman On 3/14/11, md wrote: > I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid > of going to the office. I have a student who is often a > behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the > office because sending him there very rarely ends in any > sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and > then ask if I wi...See MoreOn 3/14/11, md wrote: > I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid > of going to the office. I have a student who is often a > behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the > office because sending him there very rarely ends in any > sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and > then ask if I will send him to the office. He doesn't want > to try, and I think is worried that the work will be hard > so he looks for an escape. > > By the way, calling home has been no help either.

Best to call in a third party as late as possible in a system of warnings with consequences. Thus, going to the office should be late in your system of graduated warnings each with a consequence. If they reach: "go to the office" as the warning, send them there with hopefully a form: Office Referral, that outlines the previous offenses and why they have been sent. The Office where they go needs to be an isoation, be boring, even where they must do a worksheet that is not fun, before they go back. This Office referral needs to be uncomfortable. And I have a lot of suggestions on designing a system of warnings with graduated consequences. It is hard to explain more on just email about this. I have written a whole book and made a training video on these problems: The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline Problems

If you can get this book and video: [they are in some libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can refer you to the sections of the book and video [that demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that can help you.

If your library does not have them, you can get them at:

[link removed]

that are also used in my online course: [link removed]

where I also offer individual tutorials on these issues. See: Reviews at: [link removed]

If you cannot get the book or video, email me anyway, and I will try to help more.

Best regards,

Howard

Howard Seeman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, City Univ. of New York

Prof. Seeman [email removed]

Mar 19, 2011

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Robin l Fillion It's pretty obvious that these studentes want to be out of the classroom and every time you send them out, you are reinforcing the behaviors. He's being rewarding for the bad behavior by getting to leave the classroom. Think about it. You've got to find a way to ignore the problem behavior, or find a different consequence.On 3/19/11, Prof. Howard S...See MoreIt's pretty obvious that these studentes want to be out of the classroom and every time you send them out, you are reinforcing the behaviors. He's being rewarding for the bad behavior by getting to leave the classroom. Think about it. You've got to find a way to ignore the problem behavior, or find a different consequence.On 3/19/11, Prof. Howard Seeman wrote: > On 3/14/11, md wrote: >> I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid >> of going to the office. I have a student who is often a >> behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the >> office because sending him there very rarely ends in any >> sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and >> then ask if I will send him to the office. He doesn't want >> to try, and I think is worried that the work will be hard >> so he looks for an escape. >> >> By the way, calling home has been no help either. > > Best to call in a third party as late as possible in a system > of warnings with consequences. Thus, going to the office > should be late in your system of graduated warnings each with > a consequence. If they reach: "go to the office" as the > warning, send them there with hopefully a form: Office > Referral, that outlines the previous offenses and why they > have been sent. The Office where they go needs to be an > isoation, be boring, even where they must do a worksheet that > is not fun, before they go back. This Office referral needs > to be uncomfortable. > And I have a lot of suggestions on designing a system of > warnings with graduated consequences. > It is hard to explain more on just email about this. I have > written a whole book and made a training video on these > problems: > The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline > Problems > > If you can get this book and video: [they are in some > libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can > refer you to the sections of the book and video [that > demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that > can help you. > > > If your library does not have them, you can get them at: > > [link removed]

Mar 19, 2011

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Julie As a music teacher I see all 850+ children in my school. I have only a handful who clearly do not want to be there. The challenge with the kids who want to be in the office is that often times the warnings never amount to consequences. Or, if they do, the consequences are not severe enough to get their attention in a manner that motivates changing ...See MoreAs a music teacher I see all 850+ children in my school. I have only a handful who clearly do not want to be there. The challenge with the kids who want to be in the office is that often times the warnings never amount to consequences. Or, if they do, the consequences are not severe enough to get their attention in a manner that motivates changing their behavior.

I agree that going to the office should be late in the list of alternatives and that it should carry a hefty sense of trepidation. Why else would anyone change? I am fortunat to work in an environment with strong discipline and expectations for behavior are clear and enforced both with praise and with negative consequence.

On 3/19/11, Prof. Howard Seeman wrote: > On 3/14/11, md wrote: >> I am looking for advice about students who are not afraid >> of going to the office. I have a student who is often a >> behavior issue. The problem is that he doesn't fear the >> office because sending him there very rarely ends in any >> sort of repercussion for him. He will often act up and >> then ask if I will send him to the office. He doesn't want >> to try, and I think is worried that the work will be hard >> so he looks for an escape. >> >> By the way, calling home has been no help either. > > Best to call in a third party as late as possible in a system > of warnings with consequences. Thus, going to the office > should be late in your system of graduated warnings each with > a consequence. If they reach: "go to the office" as the > warning, send them there with hopefully a form: Office > Referral, that outlines the previous offenses and why they > have been sent. The Office where they go needs to be an > isoation, be boring, even where they must do a worksheet that > is not fun, before they go back. This Office referral needs > to be uncomfortable. > And I have a lot of suggestions on designing a system of > warnings with graduated consequences. > It is hard to explain more on just email about this. I have > written a whole book and made a training video on these > problems: > The book and Training Video: PREVENTING Classroom Discipline > Problems > > If you can get this book and video: [they are in some > libraries, so you don't have to buy them] email me and I can > refer you to the sections of the book and video [that > demonstrates the effective vs. the ineffective teacher] that > can help you. > > > If your library does not have them, you can get them at: > > [link removed]

Mar 28, 2011

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