The prin...See MoreJust received my first RIF. Principal took great care to explain my present Teacher Position (CTE Middle School) was going away not because of any Teacher Performance Appraisals but because our school population had a projected student population drop to < 250 for SY 2025-2026. I am one of 3 teacher positions to be eliminated.
The principal volunteered to sit with me through the RIF online computer application and to consider what geographic areas I would want to teach at. Then I learned something new that HaHa touched on before in why some teachers do not list all their certs. As of January 2025, I had only two certs on my "official record" although the principal stated she had review my record of certs from my initial EAS application very carefully. She told me to consider what areas of DoDEA would advance my personal DoDEA teaching goals. A South Korea CTE job would place me in a location to continue weekend Chinese Language classes at local Korean universities. With six more graduate Chinese Language credits and passing the ACTFL test I would certify for the Texas Chinese Language Certificate. I believe American children should learn the Chinese Language, but there are not many Chinese Language certificated teachers in DoDEA.
By only having 2 certs officially as of the RIF Date, DoDEA will try to place me with those same two certs in other parts of the world. The online application revealed DoDEA Japan did not appear as an option for CTE Middle School. South Korea, England, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe appeared as CTE Middle School choices from the drop down menu.
This kind principal pointed out that if I did not like any of the choices DoDEA offered for my RIF, I would have time to submit my other 12 certs from official state certs again. Because of the SCD in Block 31 of my SF-50 (Scheduled Computation Date - compares US Government employee senority), I could "bump" another less senior teacher for a cert just added to my RIF portfolio.
However, the danger with adding additional certs is that most of them have DoDEA Curriculum standards (CCRS -College Career Readiness Standards) that I would have to be certain to teach the students. My present CTE Middle School cert does not have Curriculum standards. The CTE cert High School does have curriculum standards which I would be required to teach. I had heard this from our prior CTE MS Teacher, but this was the first time I heard this from the Principal.
The principal suggested I waited to see what DoDEA offers the RIFing teachers and then make my decision. RIF Notification Letters were issued 09DE2024 and responses were due back 13DE2024. Then, the government makes offers two weeks later.
RIF Notification Letters are used to prove "Notification of Involuntary Excess Status." This letter qualifies RIF employees for CTAP, ICTAP, and RPL as an excessed federal employee.for a higher hiring priority on USAJOBS.
Any information on the DoDEA RIF process would be appreciated.
I have been a teacher for 17 years with the past 5 being in DODEA overseas( including this year). If I were to get an assistant principal position what step would I start on? I'm over a step 10 now.
hahaApparently, you would start on the first Step, unless you had experience as an admin (or related experience that they would accept) AND had not already used that experience for salary/step credit.
I'm thinking about possibly reactivating my application for the 25/26 school year. I had a question about references. I have three already listed and filled out from about 8 years ago. My understanding is that these are just a part of the application, and if I was to actually get an offer, I would need to provide three current references? I guess I'm wondering if I should bother updating the references on the application if they are going to ask for three more references?
If I take the ENI and let them know now will I be able to be rehired in the future? Many people have told me signing an eni is blacklisting myself from DoDEA ever again. But an email from HR said I would be eligible for rehire.
So, I would love to hear if someone knows someone who has done this. As I fear the one HR person was misinformed compared to all the others who said it's not possible.
It sounds like your ultimate goal is to continue your employment with DoDEA in another location. Is this correct?
There are a number of ways of achieving this goal, one of which you outline in your OP.
One negative about your plan is your uncertainty over the ENI and possible blacklisting. Am I interpreting that correctly?
If I'm correct on those two steps then let me proceed. (If I'm wrong stop reading and ignore my words.)
Nothing, absolutely nothing that anyone can post here, even a letter from HR, can clear up this uncertainty. Readers and contributors to this forum knows that every phone call or email to HR results in a different answer to the same question. Procced accordingly, in a wary fashion.
Readers and contributors to this forum also know that a common pathway, chosen by many teachers, is to "win" a job with Ddess and then to "win" another slot overseas as soon as possible.
This is a great pathway for several reasons. The teacher maintains full employment, at a good salary. The teacher keep advancing in years towards their federal retirement, and the teacher maintains a great deal of control over their career. This pathway is especially useful for teachers with lots of hard to fill certs, like you.
We all know teachers who have rehired multiple times. It seems easy enough to be a good gamble. But this is selection bias. We only know the rehires - they work with us! What about the others, who didn't get rehired? There names fade away and we no longer remember them.
Can you considered the recent changes to hiring vis-a-vis state cert reciprocity. Wasn't the purpose of this increase the number of qualified applicants, especially in hard to fill fill areas.
Won't this lead to greater competition?
A pathway that involves resignation obviously carries some risk. I think it's too much risk. Obviously, you'll have to make your own decision.
And as for ENI? The $3,200 (after taxes) doesn't really come into my decision making process.
I completely understand your desire to move. But what's wrong with the Ddess pathway that you would resign? I assume there is a family circumstance involed.
Is there something you left out - is your current location toxic?
hahaThis is one of those instances where I would have been happy to be wrong for you. Yes, they have gotten pretty hard core about the conditions needed to award LQA etc. But, you never know what the future might hold. And like you said, if you ever wind up back in the states you can always reapply for DoDEA.
I have an interview for a kindergarten teacher in Germany. So, I am curious what the pay would be for a Master's degree plus 18 and 7 years of experience. I was also curious about the COLA and whether there are any standard interview questions. Any help is much appreciated.
hahaCongrats! Enjoy the ride. Remember that you can request a 3 month pay advance if you need it. Also, get your TSP deductions set up right away so that you don't lose out on the gov't matching.
hahaNo specific information about either of those countries. We used to be in Europe and the situation changed every few years, although there was generally a way to work around most restrictions. Try googling and/or asking questions of the consulates.
As for not wanting your current boss to know that you are ...See MoreI hear you. It's the gov't though, so redundancy is kind of their thing. The ones for EAS are like the price of admission/the minimum bar to get over. The next set I believe are different, more detailed maybe? Maybe, maybe not. I guess I should just refer you to my previous answer.
As for not wanting your current boss to know that you are looking, I wouldn't really worry much about that. It's all in how you spin it. Just let your supervisor know that you have filled out an application online to teach overseas with DoDEA but it's a once in a lifetime, like winning the lottery kind of thing and you may not take it, even if you did beat the long odds and get an interview or an offer.
I am finishing up my 8th year of teaching. I am certified in Chemistry (5-Adult) and Math (5-Adult). I have taught Chemistry and AP Chemistry for 4 years, 2 of which were spent teaching in an international school setting. I have my preferred locations as basically anywhere ever (with only a few locations unchecked).
I can accept that I have less experience than many teachers. I can accept that I have no military connections and so no way to get a good word in with schools/admin. But I am competent in physical sciences and high school math. With education being in such a dire need for good teachers - especially STEM - I feel like I should have at least seen one or two referrals by now.
Anyone have any advice? Should I give up on DoDEA?
uh89There's something I recommend you consider doing that I did a couple of years ago that caused me to get WAY more referrals over the past 2 years and I've actually had about 5 principals contact me directly this past year asking if I would like to interview. (Note: I've had to turn down all of them due to needing to be here in the states for an elde...See MoreThere's something I recommend you consider doing that I did a couple of years ago that caused me to get WAY more referrals over the past 2 years and I've actually had about 5 principals contact me directly this past year asking if I would like to interview. (Note: I've had to turn down all of them due to needing to be here in the states for an elderly relative). I heard about this procedure a few years ago and finally tried it in my EAS application. What I did is I went into the part of my EAS application where all of the uploaded files are located. Then one at a time I deleted each file and immediately reuploaded it back into my application, even though it's the exact same file I deleted. I did this with all of the files. What this does is it changes the date of when you uploaded it to a more recent date that shows up in your application. Somehow this seems to trigger something in the EAS system that seems to get more notice. I didn't make any changes in my application since the files I deleted were all the same exact ones I then uploaded again into it. Everything else in my application has remained intact and unchanged. I made no other changes anywhere in my EAS application.
But, why didn't you just ask your current Admin? Or didn't they know?