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"No Exceptions"

by Giovanna Doll

Sep 23, 2014

Researching about Classroom Management, I have found some statements where the phrase “no exceptions” is included, like “A consistent approach with no exceptions are your key to success in classroom management.” (Morisseau). Then, I ask, does treat students fairly mean treat all students equally? Can teachers really treat all students equally?

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LeeH On 9/23/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: > Researching about Classroom Management, I have found some > statements where the phrase “no exceptions” is included, > like “A consistent approach with no exceptions are your key > to success in classroom management.” (Morisseau). Then, I > ask, does treat students fairly mean treat all stud...See More

Sep 23, 2014

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Jenna Giovanna,

I appreciate this post, and I think it's a really important topic to bring up. I think you're right, there needs to be a balance and sense of fairness for discipline and management in the classroom. I believe, instead of "equal" the word is "equity." If we treat all students "equally" 100% of the time, that won't work because al...See More

Sep 23, 2014

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Giovanna Doll Hi HLee. Regarding your question, “Can we treat students different when it comes to classroom management because of how they react?” I think that as teachers we need to make clear to students that our behavior brings consequences. When the reaction of the student is disrespectful, although we need to be calm when addressing disrespectful studen...See MoreHi HLee. Regarding your question, “Can we treat students different when it comes to classroom management because of how they react?” I think that as teachers we need to make clear to students that our behavior brings consequences. When the reaction of the student is disrespectful, although we need to be calm when addressing disrespectful students, the consequence of disrespect should be not a warning but a time out and/or a letter to parents.

Nevertheless, I think that it is up to the discretion of the teacher how to handle certain situations with specific students and that it is something we need to clarify to the students at the beginning of the school year when we establish rules and routines.

As you say Jenna. It is not fair treating all the students the same. It is fair offering to students the opportunity to success recognizing their individual learning styles, biases, limitations, and needs.

On 9/23/14, Jenna wrote: > Giovanna, > > I appreciate this post, and I think it's a really important > topic to bring up. I think you're right, there needs to be a > balance and sense of fairness for discipline and management > in the classroom. I believe, instead of "equal" the word is > "equity." If we treat all students "equally" 100% of the > time, that won't work because all kids need different things. > Think if we did the same or "equal" reading instruction to > all levels of kids...that wouldn't promote growth and > progress. Instead, equity is knowing each student and > adjusting your teaching to meet their individual needs. > > Jenna > > On 9/23/14, LeeH wrote: >> On 9/23/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: >>> Researching about Classroom Management, I have found some >>> statements where the phrase “no exceptions” is included, >>> like “A consistent approach with no exceptions are your >> key >>> to success in classroom management.” (Morisseau). Then, I >>> ask, does treat students fairly mean treat all students >>> equally? Can teachers really treat all students equally? >> I was just wondering the same thing. Can we treat students >> different when it comes to classroom management because of >> how they react? Some students respond better then others to >> certain things. If you have a student that when corrected >> on a behavior gets very upset and disruptive is it better >> to let the behavior go? I think it is impossible to treat >> all students equally but I think we need to keep it as fair >> as possible. I have seen where a student got privileges or >> what seemed like privileges when they were not doing what >> was expected of them in the classroom. Soon more and more >> students started to act out to get this treatment. We have >> to find the middle ground.

Sep 24, 2014

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Kent This conversation brings to mind a situation I had in a CAD class several years ago. In my class when I am helping individual students, I will sometimes look at a drawing with a student and delete dimensions that are in the wrong location or are not necessary at all. Several years ago I did this with one of my students and he freaked out because I ...See MoreThis conversation brings to mind a situation I had in a CAD class several years ago. In my class when I am helping individual students, I will sometimes look at a drawing with a student and delete dimensions that are in the wrong location or are not necessary at all. Several years ago I did this with one of my students and he freaked out because I was deleting dimensions off of his drawing. I learned a very important lesson that day. You can't always treat students the same way because they perceive your treatment in very different ways. You need to be fair and expect the same behaviors from everybody but you need to tailor your interactions to the individual student.

On 9/24/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: > Hi HLee. Regarding your question, “Can we treat students different > when it comes to classroom management because of how they react?” > I think that as teachers we need to make clear to students that > our behavior brings consequences. When the reaction of the student > is disrespectful, although we need to be calm when addressing > disrespectful students, the consequence of disrespect should be > not a warning but a time out and/or a letter to parents. > > Nevertheless, I think that it is up to the discretion of the > teacher how to handle certain situations with specific students > and that it is something we need to clarify to the students at the > beginning of the school year when we establish rules and routines. > > > As you say Jenna. It is not fair treating all the students the > same. It is fair offering to students the opportunity to success > recognizing their individual learning styles, biases, limitations, > and needs. > > > > > > On 9/23/14, Jenna wrote: >> Giovanna, >> >> I appreciate this post, and I think it's a really important >> topic to bring up. I think you're right, there needs to be a >> balance and sense of fairness for discipline and management >> in the classroom. I believe, instead of "equal" the word is >> "equity." If we treat all students "equally" 100% of the >> time, that won't work because all kids need different things. >> Think if we did the same or "equal" reading instruction to >> all levels of kids...that wouldn't promote growth and >> progress. Instead, equity is knowing each student and >> adjusting your teaching to meet their individual needs. >> >> Jenna >> >> On 9/23/14, LeeH wrote: >>> On 9/23/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: >>>> Researching about Classroom Management, I have found some >>>> statements where the phrase “no exceptions” is included, >>>> like “A consistent approach with no exceptions are your >>> key >>>> to success in classroom management.” (Morisseau). Then, I >>>> ask, does treat students fairly mean treat all students >>>> equally? Can teachers really treat all students equally? >>> I was just wondering the same thing. Can we treat students >>> different when it comes to classroom management because of >>> how they react? Some students respond better then others to >>> certain things. If you have a student that when corrected >>> on a behavior gets very upset and disruptive is it better >>> to let the behavior go? I think it is impossible to treat >>> all students equally but I think we need to keep it as fair >>> as possible. I have seen where a student got privileges or >>> what seemed like privileges when they were not doing what >>> was expected of them in the classroom. Soon more and more >>> students started to act out to get this treatment. We have >>> to find the middle ground.

Sep 24, 2014

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Giovanna Doll Kent, thanks for sharing.

As Grasha (2002) says “Because one-on-one interactions offer the opportunity for more tailored conversations about students’ gains and struggles with the course material, style differences are particularly important to notice and attend to.” We need to be aware of each student's learning preferences.
...See MoreKent, thanks for sharing.

As Grasha (2002) says “Because one-on-one interactions offer the opportunity for more tailored conversations about students’ gains and struggles with the course material, style differences are particularly important to notice and attend to.” We need to be aware of each student's learning preferences.

Reference: Grasha, A.F. (2002). The dynamics of one-on-one teaching. College Teaching, 50, 139-146.

On 9/24/14, Kent wrote: > This conversation brings to mind a situation I had in a > CAD class several years ago. In my class when I am helping > individual students, I will sometimes look at a drawing > with a student and delete dimensions that are in the wrong > location or are not necessary at all. Several years ago I > did this with one of my students and he freaked out > because I was deleting dimensions off of his drawing. I > learned a very important lesson that day. You can't always > treat students the same way because they perceive your > treatment in very different ways. You need to be fair and > expect the same behaviors from everybody but you need to > tailor your interactions to the individual student. > > On 9/24/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: >> Hi HLee. Regarding your question, “Can we treat students > different >> when it comes to classroom management because of how they > react?” >> I think that as teachers we need to make clear to >> students that our behavior brings consequences. When the >> reaction of the > student >> is disrespectful, although we need to be calm when >> addressing disrespectful students, the consequence of >> disrespect should be not a warning but a time out and/or >> a letter to parents. >> >> Nevertheless, I think that it is up to the discretion of >> the teacher how to handle certain situations with >> specific students and that it is something we need to >> clarify to the students at the beginning of the school >> year when we establish rules and > routines. >> >> >> As you say Jenna. It is not fair treating all the >> students the same. It is fair offering to students the >> opportunity to success recognizing their individual >> learning styles, biases, limitations, and needs. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/23/14, Jenna wrote: >>> Giovanna, >>> >>> I appreciate this post, and I think it's a really >>> important topic to bring up. I think you're right, there >>> needs to be a balance and sense of fairness for >>> discipline and management in the classroom. I believe, >>> instead of "equal" the word is "equity." If we treat all >>> students "equally" 100% of the time, that won't work >>> because all kids need different things. Think if we did >>> the same or "equal" reading instruction to all levels of >>> kids...that wouldn't promote growth and progress. >>> Instead, equity is knowing each student and adjusting >>> your teaching to meet their individual needs. >>> >>> Jenna >>> >>> On 9/23/14, LeeH wrote: >>>> On 9/23/14, Giovanna Doll wrote: >>>>> Researching about Classroom Management, I have found > some >>>>> statements where the phrase “no exceptions” is >>>>> included, like “A consistent approach with no >>>>> exceptions are your >>>> key >>>>> to success in classroom management.” (Morisseau). >>>>> Then, I ask, does treat students fairly mean treat all >>>>> students equally? Can teachers really treat all >>>>> students equally? >>>> I was just wondering the same thing. Can we treat >>>> students different when it comes to classroom >>>> management because > of >>>> how they react? Some students respond better then >>>> others to certain things. If you have a student that >>>> when corrected on a behavior gets very upset and >>>> disruptive is it better to let the behavior go? I think >>>> it is impossible to treat all students equally but I >>>> think we need to keep it as fair as possible. I have >>>> seen where a student got privileges or what seemed like >>>> privileges when they were not doing what was expected >>>> of them in the classroom. Soon more and > more >>>> students started to act out to get this treatment. We >>>> have to find the middle ground.

Sep 25, 2014

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