To make a long story short, she had to go while she was at the game Saturday. But rather than use one of the port-o-potties in the stadium, she decided to take the walk across the parking lot to the high school and went to the bathroom there. I really don't see what the big deal is with what she did. She used one of the girls' rooms in the high school without incident and then walked back to the festivities as the football field. For my daughter - especially given the specific circumstances of what she needed to do - it was well worth the walk to the high school to have a regular toilet to do it in. Personally, I can't say that I blame her. I don't know any woman who would rather do that in a port-o-potty.
The problem now, though, is the school somehow sees this as a grievous offense. For her little trip to the girls' room - the specific offense is "leaving the stadium during the game" - she has been assigned an "Extended Detention" (3 hours) later this week. Once again, I don't see what the big deal is. My daughter simply used the toilet - what difference should it make to anybody which particular toilet she used. If she preferred to take the walk rather than go in a port-o-potty why is that anyone's business but hers?
BUT, what do other schools do for students who do not respond to Tier II systems? If they figure out the "System" they are successful on the chart (because they have to bel not because they want to be) but then when they are off the chart the behaviors go back to the way it was and they are back on it again. Year after year there has been a student who has been on a chart for the past 5 years. He is not responding to the chart this year, brags about his low score, doesn't care if he is on it or not. Are there any schools that modify the chart for the student to help them really reflect on direct behaviors? What are ways you/your school implement Tier II interventions for students who have behavioral issues year after year?
Samantha MHe has been referred for SAIG but I am not sure about whether or not he get's it regularly/ if at all. Also, my school district does not have a Tier III system. I feel like we are doing this child a disservice giving him the same intervention expecting a different result. Very frustrating. I would agree with a modified chart for sure.
When I used to (and will again soon, hopefully- hence looking for advice so I can have some measures in order before in hopes to avoid the same thing happening) do ABA (applied behavioral therapy) work I would give my ALL to my student/s, generally like 6-8 hours a day working on IEP/behavior goals, and then I would often work privately in students...See MoreWhen I used to (and will again soon, hopefully- hence looking for advice so I can have some measures in order before in hopes to avoid the same thing happening) do ABA (applied behavioral therapy) work I would give my ALL to my student/s, generally like 6-8 hours a day working on IEP/behavior goals, and then I would often work privately in students homes anywhere from 25-40 hours in a week. Like I said, I gave my all- typically 80 hours a week with some kids! My drama is here: after everything I poured into these kids, the real problem was with the parents. I made sure all the parents -- parents whom had sought me out for additional, *private pay* had proper training and understood why I was there and the importance of being a team. They signed papers agreeing to my expectations! The expectations were never, ever followed through, they did what was easy, what didn't cause a fight, and then I was the one starting from zero again the next day at school, after school, and entire weekends. So, my question is, HOW do I make parents follow through with following the behavioral chart?
Alexandra SlettenI bet that is super frustrating and I see this first hand with my roommate's daughter! So sort of a different situation, but recently my roommate's daughter was told that if she is not potty trained in the next few months, she can no longer attend preschool. I still can't believe that she isn't potty trained (she is five in two weeks.) My roommate ...See MoreI bet that is super frustrating and I see this first hand with my roommate's daughter! So sort of a different situation, but recently my roommate's daughter was told that if she is not potty trained in the next few months, she can no longer attend preschool. I still can't believe that she isn't potty trained (she is five in two weeks.) My roommate has a chart for her, and whenever she goes to the bathroom and does not have an accident, she fills out a chart, and then when she fills out the chart each day for a week, she gets a toy. However, my roommate STILL has her in pull-ups, still wipes for her, and STILL buys her the toy, even when she hasn't completed a full week. When I babysit for her daughter, she follows through with going independently, and so I think she is playing her mom. I have told her mom this. I think my roommate is enabling her daughter big time because it is easier to do that than to deal with the meltdowns her daughter has when she refuses to help her. I think that as teachers, we really have zero control over parents. We need to realize that the only control we have is in our classrooms, and so the routine we set in our classroom is the only one we should really pour our energy into. If parents follow through, then great! But I think worrying about parents not following a plan is a waste of time personally.
Anne RMolly, I'm sorry I do not have an answer for you, but I like your idea of interviewing parents to make sure that they take the situations and solutions as seriously as you do. I agree with what everyone is saying about only being able to control what we can in the classroom. It is unfortunate when parents say that they are going to support you and ...See MoreMolly, I'm sorry I do not have an answer for you, but I like your idea of interviewing parents to make sure that they take the situations and solutions as seriously as you do. I agree with what everyone is saying about only being able to control what we can in the classroom. It is unfortunate when parents say that they are going to support you and follow through at home, but then don't. Unfortunately, we do not know what every child's home life is like, we may ideas of what we think it might be, but all we can hope for is at the very least that they are being cared for at home. @Alexandra, all I can say is Wow! I work in retail as a second job and I see parents not following through with children when they throw a tantrum-"If you don't stop running in the store, you're not getting a candy bar" and the child continues to run, throws a tantrum and then a candy bar is in their hand to make them stop. Sometimes I just want to not ring up their purchases to help prove a point, but would never actually do that. Coming from an educator viewpoint and knowing that one day these children will be in school, I can see how those behaviors carry over when they do not get what they want in the classroom and then we begin to see behavior problems.
You are the hard working, responsible and ethical support for the nation's children and their parents. It is because of you that children read, write, and gain knowledge. You are underpaid and you work at night for no pay. I'm going to try to help you in your classrooms by revealing a small change that worked for me after my graduate studies in Manchester, England. I have no intention of changing your philosophy or style. The English were very strict about school discipline until cities were bombed in World War II. To protect the children, they moved school into the open spaces of the country. Thus, “Open School.” The British can be literal at times. While fearing that the scores of the children would “plummet,” the scores rose higher. I saw methods that I couldn't use here because my school and yours remain rooted in the belief that children are a problem unless strictly controlled by seating arrangements and quiet. So, I made a small change that saved me and served my kids. Here it is in brief: The first day of school I told the class that we have an hour to do math. They groaned. I then stated that IF we could finish in 45 minutes, that we then had 15 minutes to spare for ourselves. This 15 minutes was to be used as free time reward for completing the required math. Now we have English to do. IF we finish in less than an hour, I guess that gives us more time for ourselves as reward. We made a list of the stuff we could do—legally--which happens to be an English lesson on note taking. The kids chose reward activity ( that they wanted to do.) Two rules: 1. you can't do anything dangerous—duh, and 2. you can't make noise that bothers other classes and such (halls for instance.) Each subject was similar in form. I had no disciplinary troubles after a few days. I found Kids hushing other kids who were off task. What about the kids who couldn't or didn't finish early? They spent their 15 (or so) minutes with me doing their lesson. They hated it, but they did their work because they wanted to join the others.
MY MESSAGE TO KIDS TO SOLVE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS.
1. "The school is built and I am paid to make you smarter and better. In the math class, you will be smarter at the end than you are right now. You will also be better at the end of class than you are right now. 2. How smarter? You will learn skills that make you smart. How better? You will be a nicer,more capable person in 45 minutes than you are right now--at least that is my plan for you to be happier and make more money as a grown- up. BONUS: The “smart kids” who learned quickly could (for extra credit) help the others during the lesson. Now I have several teachers and individual helpers to be even more efficient. The class is easier for everyone (me too) and we finish early for reward for the class and maybe time for me to plan or complete other teacher tasks that usually keep me past dismissal. I have no intention of changing your teaching philosophy or style. There are lots of successful styles! The small change offered here is meant to reduce wasted time, increase class attentiveness and get adult behavior from our children while you use the same class structure that works for you. It also reduces stress for the teacher, shortens time spent in discipline, and provides cooperative students working for adult goals that we all expect. Bonus: I was shocked to find that the students disciplined themselves so they could complete their tasks (the way we all hoped they would.)
Alexandra Sletten@ Samantha -- I have so many questions. How did your school become a restitution school? I love that philosophy, because I am so tired of kids asking "what do I get" when they simply do what they are supposed to do. Is there a philosopher tied in with this?
I do something similar! I tell the students that when they finish up early, they can do a choice based art activity that relates to the lesson. They LOVE these activities. They are free choice, but I don't feel guilty about what they are doing being random, because it relates to the lesson. Do you have an administrator that takes an issue with how you run your class? Are they cool with it? I feel like my principal does not like the idea of time being wasted.. so I get it, but also feel like there are potential problems you'd face.
BUT, what do other schools do for students who do not respond to Tier II systems? If they figure out the "System" they are successful on the chart (because they have to bel not because they want to be) but then when they are off the chart the behaviors go back to the way it was and they are back on it again. Year after year there has been a student who has been on a chart for the past 5 years. He is not responding to the chart this year, brags about his low score, doesn't care if he is on it or not. Are there any schools that modify the chart for the student to help them really reflect on direct behaviors? What are ways you/your school implement Tier II interventions for students who have behavioral issues year after year?
Anne RI'm not on the Tier II system for our school with PBIS, but I would like to share a story about a student I struggled with last year. Last year, we had a student that was on check-in/check-out where the student was to check in with a teacher each morning before school and then at the end of the day to see how they did. Well, this student gradually ...See MoreI'm not on the Tier II system for our school with PBIS, but I would like to share a story about a student I struggled with last year. Last year, we had a student that was on check-in/check-out where the student was to check in with a teacher each morning before school and then at the end of the day to see how they did. Well, this student gradually lost interest and stopped checking in or out and the bus driver would bring us his slips that were supposed to be signed by parents each night. Behavior was not improving either. We decided to continue using the chart for documentation purposes, but started a sticker chart for him on the side. He was able to choose the rewards that he would earn if he earned a certain amount of stickers. Each time he would check in or out, he would get a sticker. If he got it signed in all areas that were on it with positive remarks, he would get a sticker for each one. Since he knew what he was working towards, because he had ownership in his choices, we finally started seeing changes in a positive way. The rewards that he chose were as simple as getting to eat lunch in the classroom with a teacher or friend, 30-minutes of computer time, or an extra recess for the class. When he earned that extra recess for our class, he was so proud and our students did a great job of encouraging him and thanking him, so that made it even better.
Samantha MI definitely think that would help this student. Unfortunately, we are a Restitution school and we do not believe in rewards. It is something I have had to come to terms with and try to understand. But I think that we should be able to make an exception for students who are constantly on Check in Check Out. It is terribly frustrating for me.
Does anyone else do fix it plans? What are your classroom procedures? Do you ever just send kids to the office? I recently had my principal literally come down and sit with a poorly behaved student for one hour. Initially, my principal did not want to do this, but I think he realizes now why I have been struggling with this particular student, and we have since set up a plan. I am curious to hear what you all think/do!
He came from a d...See More I have a third grade student who hits every day, when I am not looking. He actually doesn't seem to hit that often at his recess, though he does occasionally hit during recess. He mainly hits when I take the kids to the restroom, when we go to PE, during PE, etc..., so this really could be an attention getting behavior.
He came from a different school, and none of his previous teachers could handle him. The school he came from is notorious for not dealing well with problems.
He refuses to stand near me during his high risk hitting times, so I can watch him and keep him from hitting. He even refuses to stand by me after he has hit another child. When he refuses to stand next to me, I tell him he will then have to go to the office, since he is not following my rules. When he refuses to go to the office, I tell him the principal will come and pick him up if he cannot go himself. Then he goes to the office. We are not allowed to take kids by the hand once they are in third grade. He is an only child, and I think he is spoiled at home. He also shows signs of ADHD- always interrupting, cannot sit still, shouting things out, materials all over the place, etc. He also calls the kids names all the time. His parents can't handle him, so involving them hasn't helped. They are very against medication. My administrators don't seem to be much help, so far. I have him on a behavior contract with rewards and punishment, etc., which hasn't helped. My best guess is that he wants my attention all the time, since he is an only child, and most of his hitting occurs when I am around, but not watching him directly. Do you have any advice? I think the family needs counseling, since both parents are overwhelmed and argue about him all the time in front of him, but they are pretty poor, and our school counseling services are very weak and take forever to begin.
I'd try that for a little while. First giving him little responsibilities and then upping the ante. I'd also send a positive phone call home when he does well to see what his reaction is to that. When he gets the call and comes back the next day ask him how he felt when his parents said something good about things he did WELL.
If I was testing this theory out I'd probably also do it in a way that I could observe the first piece of this. In other words, give them the responsibility and tell them I have to do XYZ thing and then observe from afar. You can always say "someone said you..." when you return instead of indicating that you have a lack of trust. But honestly, students can feel when you aren't giving them 100&37; trust so be careful when you do this.
I also wonder, when you've been contacting parents have you been primarily talking to 1 parent over the other? If you normally talk to mom, try talking to dad. Or vice versa. This sometimes works for me as usually 1 parent handles discipline over the other and sometimes when parents are separate as opposed to together (1 parent over the phone instead of both at a meeting) then I get a different conversation and can sometimes share things that have worked for other parents in a similar situation. It's a useful way to give them ideas and suggestions without seeming pushy.